Is the E-brake like in real life?

[Mad Matt]

Looks good! Best I ever did was on the sand in the South of France!

 

[Dr_Watson]

One of the things shown is a classic handbrake turn, it quite clearly (and in slow motion) shows the rear wheels of a Ford Puma being locked at 60 - 70 mph using the handbrake only.

i've personally been in a rental car when the handle was yanked @ 65mph... yes it locked the rears... flat spotted them pretty badly actually.

Very wrong. The parking brake is designed to take the 'load' of a parked car off the motor mounts. Replacing motor mounts is just an unnecessary hassle and expense. Took my brother to straighten me out on that one. To use it properly: Stop, apply parking brake while still in 'Drive', then shift to 'Park'. If you shift into park before applying the brake, you defeat the whole purpose of using it.

how many people actually do that? maybe 1/2.. 1/3 of 1%
most people that own an AT never pull the lever the entire time they have the car. Even though every repair shop will tell the owner to make sure they set the parking brake periodically to keep the rear brakes adjusted.

 

[rsmithdrift]

If you have a front wheel drive car, you need to read this. FUN TIPS INSIDE!! 💡 ONLY DO THEM IN A VACANT PARKING LOT!

I e-braked turns all the time when I had my Nissan Sentra (FF, 4-door, 5-speed) It tends to lock one wheel at a time in older cars because of unevenly worn pads, or unevenly stretched cables. (an easy fix) Once you get them tightened up and evened out, they will lock almost instantly and rear grip is lost instantaneously and completely, causing the back end to catch up with the front VERY quickly. In an FF this is the best way to get good angle, actually, you can do what I call "beyond drifting" or "reverse drifting" (beyond 90* angle drifting) by letting the car get so sideways that you are going backwards/broad slide, and almost about to spin out completely, then popping the clutch (or just flooring it with an automatic) and letting the front wheel drive pull you out of the spin. This is sooooo awesome to both pull off and to watch.

Also you can cut donuts in an FF car in real life by going in a smooth packed dirt field or wet parking lot, pulling the e-brake, LEAVING IT UP, hitting the gas and turning. It's pretty fun. 👍

What's more fun is driving with some metal cookie sheets under your rear tires All you have to do is spend like $3 on a couple of metal cookie sheets (make sure they are wide enough) put them under your rear tires, lock the e-brake (and leave it locked for obvious reasons), go forward and turn. AND HOLD ON!! YIKES!!!! DON'T DO THIS IN A PLACE WERE THERE IS ANY OBSTACLES TO RUN INTO as you will have no control over the car once you spin out and it is hard to stop if you go over 10mph.

I don't use the e-brake much in my 300zx, but it locks the rear tires just the same in a FR as long as you put in the clutch. (DUH!!) and "beyond/reverse drifting" is impossible with an FR.

 

[rsmithdrift]

Here we go, Enthusia Donuts & Handbrakes turns, how GT4 should have been in this area.

http://s39.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=06CU3J9Y246732YN5IQSOV7UJT

Sorry for the quality, digital camera and all that.

Regards

Scaff

BTW car was doing about 60mph for the handbrake turns.

GOD ENTHUSIA IS SO REALISTIC!! It even accurately recreates "peg locking" as well as "peg legging" Gotta love it. Enthusia has what a sim racers physics SHOULD be like.

 

[Speed Drifter]

in GT4 the e-brake locks rear tires just fine like it should, if you're bothered to check it out in third person view, the problem is actually with tire physics. a locked or spinning tire in gt4 doesn't lose enough lateral grip to be even close to real world, it's the only thing they've got wrong in this masterpiece

 

[rsmithdrift]

in GT4 the e-brake locks rear tires just fine like it should, if you're bothered to check it out in third person view, the problem is actually with tire physics. a locked or spinning tire in gt4 doesn't lose enough lateral grip to be even close to real world, it's the only thing they've got wrong in this masterpiece

Ex-FRIGGIN'-Zactly man. Except that forward grip falls off too much with wheelspin in the game as well. If these two things were fixed, the physics may have been.......dare I say......BETTER than Enthusia's!! 💡

Edit: ah, another speed drifter I see. Niiice. Most of the guys on here are show offs. Can you beat a grip lap time by speed drifting yet? I just discovered I could a couple of nights ago in arcade mode with an RX-7 on N1's at Trial Mountain. I was amazed that I had proven Swift and TS, along with others, wrong.

 

[Speed Drifter]

Ex-FRIGGIN'-Zactly man. Except that forward grip falls off too much with wheelspin in the game as well. If these two things were fixed, the physics may have been.......dare I say......BETTER than Enthusia's!! 💡

Edit: ah, another speed drifter I see. Niiice. Most of the guys on here are show offs. Can you beat a grip lap time by speed drifting yet? I just discovered I could a couple of nights ago in arcade mode with an RX-7 on N1's at Trial Mountain. I was amazed that I had proven Swift and TS, along with others, wrong.

It was possible in GT3 and I did it all the time, but GT4 is a little different.. power oversteer isn't working as it should in GT4 so I can't do it anymore like I got used to in real life, live for speed and GT3
My concept of real speed drift is basically zero countering and powering it just a little so rear tires are slipping just enough to steer the car, and using that extra longitudinal grip there is still left after normal 100% is used of it. That way you're accelerating out of corners slight faster than you could normally, and still be able to make it without crashing at corner exit if you can hold the drift until the end
The real knife edge.

 

[sideslider]

Total brake failure is a highly unlikely scenario with dual circuit braking systems (which have been around for several decades now).

good for you go tell the department of transportation to rewrite their books, I was just statin a fact, and i dont think a lot of the cars had dual circuts when I learned how to drive, seemed like most the kids i knew where drivin old 60' chevys with one line coming off the master cylinder going all the way back and splitin for the wheels and no porporting valve (what ever that thing is in front on new systems) 👍

 

[~Sp33~]

Im currently driving a Nissan patrol. Not exactly the drivers choice... but for where i live, its needed. Ramming the handbrake on as hard as you can will still allow the car to roll (although slightly slowed) and also requires the car to be in gear. The poor thing. I must get it serviced.

 

[Verbal]

good for you go tell the department of transportation to rewrite their books, I was just statin a fact, and i dont think a lot of the cars had dual circuts when I learned how to drive, seemed like most the kids i knew where drivin old 60' chevys with one line coming off the master cylinder going all the way back and splitin for the wheels and no porporting valve (what ever that thing is in front on new systems) 👍

If it's still in there they should. Yes, in the 60s single circuit systems were the norm, but it's 2005 so we're talking 40 year old cars here...

 

[Mad Murphy NZ]

Hmm, I was thinking about this today when I was driving to town. I thought I'd test it out so as I was going through a bend at about 45kmh I gave the handbrake a yank and the rears locked and slid just as I expected creating a nice little slide. I really don't think that GT4 does a good job of this, if you pulled the hand brake on at those speeds in the game nothing really happens in most cars. Also, you can drive along with your hand brake on in GT4 and in real life, I've driven a whole lap of autumn ring mini with it on in a BZR Levin sliding round every corner with the rear wheels locked the whole time. In real life I've driven along with the brake on and the wheels aren't locked (maybe because my rear drums are pretty crummy).

 

[FooAtari]

in GT4 the e-brake locks rear tires just fine like it should, if you're bothered to check it out in third person view, the problem is actually with tire physics. a locked or spinning tire in gt4 doesn't lose enough lateral grip to be even close to real world, it's the only thing they've got wrong in this masterpiece

and the suspension...

 

[slotcarrod]

Just a quick question.

Is pulling the E-brake in GT4 the same as real life? Because when I hit it, it just grabs and I can't accelerate for a few seconds...

NO! It is nothing like real, in any car! I don't know what PD was thinking!

 

[niky]

Actually, I'm disappointed that you can't torque-brake an automatic with that thing...

 

[doormeister]

how many people actually do that? maybe 1/2.. 1/3 of 1%
most people that own an AT never pull the lever the entire time they have the car. Even though every repair shop will tell the owner to make sure they set the parking brake periodically to keep the rear brakes adjusted.

I must be the only one around here that has had to replace motor mounts. Just human nature to not change habits until something goes wrong...

 

[JTSnooks]

Maybe you just park on more hills than most people?

 

[NodozFi2eak]

I don't use the e-brake much in my 300zx, but it locks the rear tires just the same in a FR as long as you put in the clutch. (DUH!!) and "beyond/reverse drifting" is impossible with an FR.

i wouldn't say impossible.. just nerve racking.. last year i got to drive my friend's turbo fc (1986 rx-7) in gingerman raceway in michigan state and there's a 60 degree turn there... what you need to do is an inertia drift... which is sliding all four wheels in the opposite direction of the turn.. and then downshift 1 or 2 gears so that your almost at your peak torque... turn the steering wheel into the turn as hard as you can and pop the clutch... if you do it right you'll be able to swing the car to 45 degrees sometimes even more depending on your speed... to get your traction back just simply shift up...

back to the topic:

i never use the hand brake so i never really noticed it...

 

[~Sp33~]

LOL, maybe he lives in san fransisco, the land of the many hills.

As talked about a few posts earlier it says about yanking the handbrake on at low speeds, in real life it does give a nice slide, but in GT4 all it creates is understeer and veeeery sluggish roll-oversteer.

👎 how boring

 

[Alfaholic]

If it's still in there they should. Yes, in the 60s single circuit systems were the norm, but it's 2005 so we're talking 40 year old cars here...

I experienced brake failure on my 1981 GTV. Fast Lane Magazine experienced total brake failure on their long term Alfa 75, which would have been a 1989 or 1990 model. In both cases, the handbrake was capable of stopping the car in the available space, fortunately.

I am sure there must be cases with other vehicle manufacturers too but I tended to concentrate only on Alfas back in those days, before they went FWD.

The system nowadays is far less likely to suffer total failure because it has a measure of redundancy, but nothing's perfect

 

[~Sp33~]

lol

in a manual, you could use your gears to slow down.. with an auto can you.. ram it into 'P'? I remember on some movie where this was done, and the car bounced voilently to a stop... Then again it was a movie.

 

[nos2]

Tha hand-brake is all wrong in GT4. In GT3 it was more accurate. I tried to do this IRL in an Accord. Turn, pull hand-brake, the car's rear actually slides. In the game it slows down the car, then it locks up the rear. I feel that they should've keep the GT3's physics system. It was not perfect, but the physics system in GT4 is a step backward.

 

[Sven]

lol

in a manual, you could use your gears to slow down.. with an auto can you.. ram it into 'P'? I remember on some movie where this was done, and the car bounced voilently to a stop... Then again it was a movie.

Ramming an auto into park while going 5mph in reverse makes an unpleasant ratcheting noise. Don't ask me how I know that

I don't want to know what it does at highway speeds.

 

[rsmithdrift]

Ramming an auto into park while going 5mph in reverse makes an unpleasant ratcheting noise. Don't ask me how I know that

I don't want to know what it does at highway speeds.

Unfortunately, I do. I was riding with my grandmother and for some bizzar unknown reason, she decided she was in the wrong gear and went to put it in over drive. Unfortunatey it was already in overdrive and she shifted it into reverse. DROPED THE TRANSMISSION!! Made a big BOOM, Jerked violently, Then grinded to a halt. Not so good.

 

[Dr_Watson]

lol

in a manual, you could use your gears to slow down.. with an auto can you.. ram it into 'P'? I remember on some movie where this was done, and the car bounced voilently to a stop... Then again it was a movie.

we also tried that in a rental... the computer wouldn't let it actually shift into park until the car had slowed down to somewhere around 15mph.
it just went *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* then a loud *bang* as soon as we hit a slow enough speed... tires skidded engine stalled... no hopping.

 

[FooAtari]

Unfortunately, I do. I was riding with my grandmother and for some bizzar unknown reason, she decided she was in the wrong gear and went to put it in over drive. Unfortunatey it was already in overdrive and she shifted it into reverse. DROPED THE TRANSMISSION!! Made a big BOOM, Jerked violently, Then grinded to a halt. Not so good.

What the hell car lets you put it into Reverse when moving forward at anything over 5mph???? You can select first when rolling backward but trying to get reverse when moving forward will result in a lot of crunching. You would need to use some brute force to select reverse.

 

[rsmithdrift]

What the hell car lets you put it into Reverse when moving forward at anything over 5mph???? You can select first when rolling backward but trying to get reverse when moving forward will result in a lot of crunching. You would need to use some brute force to select reverse.

She has like 3 '88 Buick station wagons. She did it at 30mph once with not so dramatic results. She really does need to stop driving. I'm afraid to ride down the mountain with her. She gets a little too close to the edge for comfort.

 

[~Sp33~]

we also tried that in a rental... the computer wouldn't let it actually shift into park until the car had slowed down to somewhere around 15mph.
it just went *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* then a loud *bang* as soon as we hit a slow enough speed... tires skidded engine stalled... no hopping.

Once again movies have faild me And yet i want to believe them

 

[niky]

Unfortunately, I do. I was riding with my grandmother and for some bizzar unknown reason, she decided she was in the wrong gear and went to put it in over drive. Unfortunatey it was already in overdrive and she shifted it into reverse. DROPED THE TRANSMISSION!! Made a big BOOM, Jerked violently, Then grinded to a halt. Not so good.

I know someone who wrecked a perfectly good Mitsubishi Lancer that way...

 

[Mad Murphy NZ]

What the hell car lets you put it into Reverse when moving forward at anything over 5mph???? You can select first when rolling backward but trying to get reverse when moving forward will result in a lot of crunching. You would need to use some brute force to select reverse.

It's much more fun to do it the other way round though! Drive in reverse then shift to first - nothing makes smoke quite like a reverse standy on a patch of diesel. Especially if it's in a $60 car with bald tyres and an electric sun roof.

 

[~Sp33~]

LOL. gotta have that electric sunroof. If you soak the bald tyres in diesel.. It also works a treat.