JSTC GT400 (GT300) Season 2 - Winter Test Session 2/9/13 4pm Pst

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Race Distance (km)

  • 175km

    Votes: 5 23.8%

  • 200km

    Votes: 9 42.9%

  • 220km

    Votes: 7 33.3%
  • Total voters
    21
phil bell
I think injecting a dose of realism and variety in the series via these new chassis will help attract and hold captive more racers for this league.

Even 1 or 2 more competitors would be a success.
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I hate to admit it but you got a point there. I'll setup another poll tomorrow evening when I get home. 👍
 
I'm all for the Vette and Audi to join in. I'd even go so far as to say I would like the Nissan GTR R35 TC to come in as a GT3 type vehicle too.
 
freshseth83
I'm all for the Vette and Audi to join in. I'd even go so far as to say I would like the Nissan GTR R35 TC to come in as a GT3 type vehicle too.
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If it can be brought to parity, why not I reckon, since the real series uses it too.

Man dont believe there's a month to go, can't wait to try the Corvette.
 
It'll have to be a bit heavy. I think 1280kg 390hp would be a good start. I'll test it out.
 
I think attracting more people and holding on to those we currently have is more important than adding new cars...

We had what 30+ sign ups for season 1, now we're racing with 10-14?

This is posted in the interest section, and I'm pretty certain nobody new to the league has posted? Yes you don't get floods here but usually 1 or 2 will state their interest.

We also need to change the incidents procedure. It doesn't look good when guys publicly argue on our thread about a crash. We need to clamp down on this...

Adding new cars can go either way. Either people we see the addition of a Vette and Audi think its interesting and join. Or see the addition and stay away as they want a pure Japanese 300 league which most other GT300 leagues are..

Also start procedures need to be tightened up. Starting at a completely random time each week doesn't look good organisationally. We need to be very clear when race start is not when regs check is. I know that regs check takes about 7 min to complete. Then the grid another minute. So I'd say 10min before race start (so 00.05) regs check is begun and the grid is typed out. For the next few min we wait and we start at 00.15...

We should encourage people now to start stirring interest in lobbies on GT5. If a random joins and gets in a car we use without leaving, we should tell them to check out our league. Yes 9/10 will ignore it, but we need racers right now.

Encourage your mates on GTP to look at out league aswell. I found the GTRRL thead because of kila whom I'd raced with in 3 previous leagues.

We should also set up a support scheme for those racers who struggle with pace/racecraft. It's hard been lost in the wilderness been 1s slower and no idea how. And racecraft only gets better by racing. We should run short races with the guys who have a bad reputation so they can improve. And the guys who struggle with pace we should offer them setup/driving advice.

Finally car regs. Yes we should take onboard what other racers have to say. But US as stewards should be setting the regs. Not just 1 or 2 guys, but unless a steward specifically opts out we should ALL devise a regs system. We are the guys who run this league. We're responsible for making the cars fair and competitive. Yes we all have different methods. But with 7 of us there should be a pattern in our regs. And anything that doesn't match other regs systems we can discuss and state why we have a specific car at x weight/power. MOST importantly when the regs are agreed by us, then we NEED to let other racers try them out and give feedback. Feedback is how we get a balanced league.

Returning to the FEEDBACK element here. Guys like Skeng who've been around for awhile, we need to ask them what was good about the league and what needs improving. They can be invaluable to creating a better racing environment for everybody. We also need to share this feedback. If Skeng for example sends me a pm styling what needs to be improved, I need to forward this on to all the other stewards in the league, so they too get FEEDBACK.
Aswell as the seasoned vets, we need rookie feedback aswell. This is Tyler's first league for example, we should be asking him what his initial impressions are and how he would improve the league. This would help us gain interest.
And final we need the stewards to give feedback on what worked and didn't. We know more of the goings on and where there's problems each week.

See now you can either take all this onboard or skim over it and continue the never ending discussion on car regs that's been going on since round 1...
 
My main gripe was with the change of regs so far into season one! Yes i agree the lexus was faster than most at the start of the season but it shouldn't be up for discussion 4 weeks into the series. The celica regs took a bashing all the way through this season pretty much.

Making 1 car slower and more even is the right thing to do but where do we draw the line on how much we nerf it and how far into the season it goes on for?

I also think with the Lexus, Celica, MR-S, Arta, RX-7, Subaru x2 there is plenty of cars to go around without adding new ones, adding more just increases the time it takes to spec them all and opens up more possibility to make mistakes leading to another overpowered car.

As it looks like we are going to be doing teams for season 2 then the more cars we have to choose from the less likely it will be for even teams, which in my eyes will lead to the teams leaderboard not being shown in it's true light. For example if there was 2 drivers per car for season 1's cars, there would be 14 cars on track. if we add another 2 or 3 that would lead to teams of 1 therfore making the team leaderboard pointless.

To make a competitive team leaderboard with the proposed new cars added in we would need a consistant 18 to 20 racers each race which isn't going to happen.
 
Zach stated the previous issues clearly.
I do think theres nothing wrong with adding more choices though.
 
If new cars are added to the roster then i think there should be a minimum of 2 people signed up for a car so we can really get the team leaderboard running.
 
Zach: A well written piece that covers many issues. This is also my first series so I have a perspective and expectations that probably are slightly different from the more experienced racers. From my view the organizers need to decide and state the core objectives of the series. New entrants need to know what to expect before they signup so we don't start with drivers that are either not committed or have different expectations and drop out after one or two races. For example if the series only objective is to have highly competitive races to determine the fastest driver then all the organizational decisions should be made to realize that objective. If on the other hand the series primary objective was to provide fair competitive racing open to a wide variety of driver skills then the decision that are made should be consistent with vision. Decisions on the type of cars, allowable car setups, performance penalties, information sharing all fit within the context of the series objectives and decisions will be totally different depending on the vision of the organizers.
 
Zach made a great statement.

Starting the races on time is needed. I got pushed to the rear of the pack at one race because I was 6 minutes late. This rule needs to be kept and people need to be on time. I get funny looks by my other half if the racing is running late. :)

I'm still not so sure about adding the Vette & R8. I know there are other cars that are more simular or suited to the GT300 cars we drive. But it isn't a bad idea either seth.

I know that I'm sticking with the Subaru for Season 2. Need a team mate Joe?

2 to 4 person teams would be nice.

I think that new racers should go through a short 5 or 10 lap race or two with each other, with a majority of the stewards watching. That way they can prove thier driving skills. Racers need to be more aware of other driver's around them some don't know how to drive next to another car. :scared:

Could we leave out Laguna Seca this next season? Add some different tracks into the mix of tracks we already have.
 
roderuner1967
zach made a great statement.

Starting the races on time is needed.

I think that new racers should go through a short 5 or 10 lap race or two with each other, with a majority of the stewards watching. That way they can prove thier driving skills. Racers need to be more aware of other driver's around them some don't know how to drive next to another car. :scared:
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+1
 
I will fail that test.

I'll be practicing with Zach in the offseason though.

I'm fine on my own, but with other cars... well you already know.
 
Here's what I propose;

Adding the Corvette and the Audi (possibly even then GTR R35 TC) as there is at least 3 or 4 of us interested in genuinely running those cars. I would drive an Audi, and seeing as how it's 1300kg minimum, adding ballast to that car will definitely slow it if it's deemed 'too fast'.

Keeping the specs of last (or current) season's cars close with some tweaking to the cars with lack of/too much speed issues. IMO the Celica could go lower in weight -10/20kg. The MRS as well. The Lexus stays as is. The Garaiya could drop 10hp. The RX7 could drop -10kg. Open Spec for Premium WRX, -10kg standard Subaru.

Change to the track types/ schedule. Tracks with minimal turns like Monza suited the top speed of the WRX. Twisty tracks suited the Garaiya. I think adding another high speed track would be good for cars that aren't as good in handling. A created track run in preseason might be fun and a new learning curve that everyone would be new to. Simple scheduling to give the 'slower' cars a chance would suffice as well. Twisty tracks first gives ballast to those who have the better handling cars. Followed with fast tracks to give the 'top speed cars' an opportunity to take higher positions.

Feedback?
 
Next Poll: New Chassis:

Adding new chassis: 👍
Dropping new chassis: 👎

From previous post I assumed that Skeng, Zach, Bazzer and Joe are 👎's, while Seth and Phil are 👍's for the new chassis poll.

TnT I would be honored to have you as a team-mate buddy, and now that there will be a team championship fight, I'll be sharing my notes and pit strategy with you as well. :cheers:

Zach great stewarding work!!!
 
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Before anyone takes a Vote, I say they drive those cars for themselves on mediums and softs, then go back and drive your GT300 car you used this season on the same tires. Try the Audi at 400hp 1300kg, then the Z06RM at 400hp 1240kg; both without engine stages and turbos. Then ask yourself how cool would it be to replicate battles like this-

 
After watching your video it left me wanting to have the BR-Z as a DLC. That thing is s1ck! There afterwards I wonder over to Wikipedia and took down the whole section of JGTC turning in to Super GT because they were traveling out the country to race too much and FIA has to be in the mix if that happens; hence all the FIA GT1 cars going to GT500 category and FIA GT3 cars going into GT300 Class. It also explains this 2013 Le Mans race maybe allowing Super GT to compete this year. Thankz Seth, now I know a little more about JGTC better know as Super GT w/ more downforce which dominates FIA GT1 cars in corner speed.

Teaser!
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Both of my Audi r8 lms' have the engine upgrade so I can't test those.

At them specs on the corvette. At spa. No tune. 2nd timed lap 2.20.859. So that's without even ever getting in 6th gear. And it has more torque than the Lexus! Which beasts everyone under acceleration.

Oh and it's 0.5 quicker than the rx7 in sector 1, almost 1s quicker than the Celica I think?

Massive t down from me.
 
joetruckv8
Next Poll: New Chassis:

Adding new chassis: 👍
Dropping new chassis: 👎

From previous post I assumed that Skeng, Zach, Bazzer and Joe are 👎's, while Seth and Phil are 👍's for the new chassis poll.

TnT I would be honored to have you as a team-mate buddy, and now that there will be a team championship fight, I'll be sharing my notes and pit strategy with you as well. :cheers:

Zach great stewarding work!!!
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Awesome Joe. Subaru all the way 👍

Dropping new chassis 👎
 
Tdown for me on the new chassis idea .

Maybe 1 new car I would say the most but as i said before the priority will be to balance the existing cars a bit better .
 
ZachAK47
Both of my Audi r8 lms' have the engine upgrade so I can't test those.

At them specs on the corvette. At spa. No tune. 2nd timed lap 2.20.859. So that's without even ever getting in 6th gear. And it has more torque than the Lexus! Which beasts everyone under acceleration.

Oh and it's 0.5 quicker than the rx7 in sector 1, almost 1s quicker than the Celica I think?

Massive t down from me.
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Sorry, you must be running slow with your gt300? We were doin 2:21s on mediums. So 2:19s on softs at current spec is doable. The celica is overweight and i suggested the thing should be at 1140kg. The RX7 as well. People need to read the thread and see we want to have faster cars. Putting softs on will aid that as will a decrease in weight.
 
We wont just be using softs only in season 2 .

Its either mediums only again or a combination of all 3 , from what ive heard . i would test of medium or hard .
 
freshseth83
Sorry, you must be running slow with your gt300? We were doin 2:21s on mediums. So 2:19s on softs at current spec is doable. The celica is overweight and i suggested the thing should be at 1140kg. The RX7 as well. People need to read the thread and see we want to have faster cars. Putting softs on will aid that as will a decrease in weight.
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That was on mediums. Not softs
 
SkengD
We wont just be using softs only in season 2 .

Its either mediums only again or a combination of all 3 , from what ive heard . i would test of medium or hard .
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Mediums and softs, which is what I said to run on.

ZachAK47
That was on mediums. Not softs
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Spa is not a baseline for every car. You have two flat-out sections where the Vette pulls off because it's straight line speed. Thats like saying it shouldn't be included because it's the best at Monza. :ouch: Try the JAF cars with the lower weight like I sugested compared to the Vette.
 
I beg to differ. I've ran these cars in a couple of different series' before. Through a race the higher weight gives more tire wear. These cars make up for it with more power. Just like IRL. They balanced the JAF GT300s with the GT3 cars by giving the GT300s a little more power and keeping the GT3s at FIA spec.

What they ran was a whole different concept than what this series is. Not to crack on PURE, but this isn't their series. Not everyone has to follow their concept. There are numerous other series out there with nothing but JAF GT300 cars. I think adding 2 or 3 cars that are close to what the GT3's are IRL would add to the realism. The Vette can't corner as good as the Celica or Garaiya. Its also not hard to limit it's power to 400hp and exclude any upgrades like I said. The GTR TC is 4wd, but then so is the premium Subaru. The main difference is the power and the weight. You could do what I said and bump the weight of the GTR TC up to 1300kg and give it 384hp. It's slow in a straight line but really good around turns. But again, the weight will keep it in check, and especially since were making the race distances longer this season, tire wear will play a part! I have a room up now testing for this weekend's race, and testing the proposed new cars against the current ones. They're all very close, and after 10 laps the tire wear is nearly the same on mediums, but the R8 gets tricky to drive on low tires.
 
Mine is a 👎 for the new chassis. Only because it'll make it harder for the team leaderboard to work. I'mm all for a new car here and there but only if it replaces one, as personally i think there is currently enough cars to go around.


Edit - Seth are you still in a room? Post up the number and i'll join for a bit of testing.
 
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