Jules Bianchi passes away following accident at 2014 Formula 1 Japanese Grand Prix

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I've seen the video and I recommend that to nobody. That has to be one of the worst impacts I've ever seen.
It's a miracle he didn't die on sight. I hope he'll recover, but to be honest, after seeing that video, I doubt he'll fully do... :nervous:
 
NightHawkFur
I've seen the video and I recommend that to nobody. That has to be one of the worst impacts I've ever seen.
It's a miracle he didn't die on sight. I hope he'll recover, but to be honest, after seeing that video, I doubt he'll fully do... :nervous:
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I have seen far more gripping accidents than this one, but try not to doubt..
 
I watched the video clip of the crash. Personally, I think the crash of one of the Nissan Z's in one of the sports car races a week or so ago at CotA (Continental or Pirelli WC, I can't remember which) was worse looking...and they showed that on the air over and over.
 
OpticZero
I watched the video clip of the crash. Personally, I think the crash of one of the Nissan Z's in one of the sports car races a week or so ago at CotA (Continental or Pirelli WC, I can't remember which) was worse looking...and they showed that on the air over and over.
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The driver wasn't injured in that wreck.
 
And by looking at the place he crashed, I guess that the race didn't needed to be stopped, he crashed into a security fence, not under a crane carrying another crashed car.
 
Yes, he crashed at the end of the longest straight which has a ton of run-off area so no one was at risk.
 
OpticZero
I watched the video clip of the crash. Personally, I think the crash of one of the Nissan Z's in one of the sports car races a week or so ago at CotA (Continental or Pirelli WC, I can't remember which) was worse looking...and they showed that on the air over and over.
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You're comparing the impact of a fully protected GT car into a barrier and a driver's exposed head into a JCB.
 
I just saw the footage on the evening news. No warning - they just showed Bianchi going straight in.

So either one of two things two things happened: his brakes failed, or he was already unconscious when he left the track.
 
The telemetry will shed more light on what happened. but it wont be made public till after the investigation and even them it might not go public
 
prisonermonkeys
I just saw the footage on the evening news. No warning - they just showed Bianchi going straight in.

So either one of two things two things happened: his brakes failed, or he was already unconscious when he left the track.
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It cant be brakes - he would have been accelerating (or lifting off) at the point he left the track. Can't rule out the other one, but highly unlikely.
I expect that it is this:
jtv90069
At a guess, the rear of the car slipped as he started turning left, and Bianchi automatically counter-steered. Similar to how Ricciardo went off in practice.
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He had a moment, and corrected it too perfectly - the tank-slapper spin didn't happen.
 
prisonermonkeys
I just saw the footage on the evening news. No warning - they just showed Bianchi going straight in.

So either one of two things two things happened: his brakes failed, or he was already unconscious when he left the track.
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With how wet it was, some aquaplaning on track is a real possibility and the grass would have had no traction at all to slow the car. Brakes are useless if there is no grip.
 
Bianchi was going too fast for it to be aquaplaning. And he didn't appear to be trying to steer the car, either.
 
What would steering have done there? His hands would have been outside the cockpit on the wheel, so he would have been even more exposed. Going straight in like that, he would have been very aware of what was about to happen. I expect he was braced and potentially even moved his head to one side, but again the investigators will have a lot more evidence in seeing anything like this. Agree he was going too fast, but that would only help aquaplaning. Drivers need to be going through yellow flag zones slower.
 
prisonermonkeys
Bianchi was going too fast for it to be aquaplaning. And he didn't appear to be trying to steer the car, either.
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How is he going too fast for it to be aquaplaning? All that needed to happen was a brief moment of aquaplaning, sending the car on a tangent to the corner and once he was off the black stuff, you have seen enough F1 (and motorsport in general) to know that the steering wheel is only a decoration at that point.
 
Because the angle is all wrong. He's going too fast to have aquaplaned from the outside of the corner because he would have understeered to get that far out. And he would have braked to get to the inside of the corner and get far enough around to aquaplane.

Bianchi is doing the entry speed to Dunlop. If he aquaplaned at the bottom of Dunlop, he would have shaved enough speed off going up the hill. But if his brakes failed at the point of turn-in to Dunlop, it would have been the right speed and the right angle.
 
Sutil and Bianchi went off right at the very exit of Dunlop, the track's almost straight at that point and the barriers are really quite close to the track, they have to be as the exit of 130R is right behind. In fact, McNish's accident there happened almost at the same spot. So the time frame between losing traction and hitting the tractor is miniscule.

Hasn't Sutil already stated that Bianchi's crash was almost exactly the same as his own?
 
prisonermonkeys
Bianchi was going too fast for it to be aquaplaning. And he didn't appear to be trying to steer the car, either.
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There is no such thing as too fast to aquaplane. You can't brake and you can't steer.

Also, when aquaplaning friction is very much reduced so slowing down is not quick at all.
 
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Tired Tyres
There is no such thing as too fast to aquaplane. You can't brake and you can't steer.
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Didn't you read my post? Bianchi was going too fast to have aquaplaned at that point of the circuit because he couldn't have taken the corner at that speed. If he'd been going that fast around the corner, he would have gone off before he had a chance to go off.
 
Assuming the grip was the same all the way around the corner, then yes. There was a river running across it though, the same one that caught out Sutil. It would also explain why Bianchi ended up leaving the circuit in the direct line of Sutil's crash site.
 
prisonermonkeys
Because the angle is all wrong. He's going too fast to have aquaplaned from the outside of the corner because he would have understeered to get that far out. And he would have braked to get to the inside of the corner and get far enough around to aquaplane.

Bianchi is doing the entry speed to Dunlop. If he aquaplaned at the bottom of Dunlop, he would have shaved enough speed off going up the hill. But if his brakes failed at the point of turn-in to Dunlop, it would have been the right speed and the right angle.
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According to people who were using the GPS f1 app thing, Max was going faster around there than bianchi did.

Someone posted on Reddit bianchi's GPS data as he went off and his speed didn't seem like his breaks failed, he just slipped off.

Idk maybe your right, but I think thats just how fast F1 cars are
 
prisonermonkeys
Didn't you read my post? Bianchi was going too fast to have aquaplaned at that point of the circuit because he couldn't have taken the corner at that speed. If he'd been going that fast around the corner, he would have gone off before he had a chance to go off.
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You do know what aquaplaning is, right? It doesn't matter where on the track he was or at what speed he was traveling, the tires couldn't dissipate the water that was on the track which is why Bianchi, and Sutil the lap before, went off at that corner.
 
Korza
It doesn't matter where on the track he was
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Yes, it does. If he aquaplaned, it means he went off the track, unable to stop or steer. Therefore, if he went off the track two metres before the place he actually did go off, he would have hit the barrier in a different spot. The problem with the theory that he aquaplaned is that it's quite obvious from the video that he is going very quickly - he's carrying enough speed that the rear wheels of the tractor lift off the ground. He's travelling at the kind of speed that he would be carrying into Dunlop. If he aquaplaned there, he would have travelled in a straight line, and he would have missed the tractor entirely. But if he turned in and found he had no brakes, he would have carried enough speed and steering lock to make it most of the way around the corner, only to understeer off, having straightened the wheels to take the load off the front tyres and let the inertia carry him around the corner.

Unless you think he could have aquaplaned off the racing line going uphill and around a corner.
 
prisonermonkeys
Yes, it does. If he aquaplaned, it means he went off the track, unable to stop or steer. Therefore, if he went off the track two metres before the place he actually did go off, he would have hit the barrier in a different spot. The problem with the theory that he aquaplaned is that it's quite obvious from the video that he is going very quickly - he's carrying enough speed that the rear wheels of the tractor lift off the ground. He's travelling at the kind of speed that he would be carrying into Dunlop. If he aquaplaned there, he would have travelled in a straight line, and he would have missed the tractor entirely. But if he turned in and found he had no brakes, he would have carried enough speed and steering lock to make it most of the way around the corner, only to understeer off, having straightened the wheels to take the load off the front tyres and let the inertia carry him around the corner.

Unless you think he could have aquaplaned off the racing line going uphill and around a corner.
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Dunlop is a long double apex corner. At the point where both drivers went off the track has flattened out and is straightening out too. In fact, watching some on board footage from a different race, the track has crested before that point and is if anything heading back down hill towards the first Degner. They were accelerating out of the corner at the point where they aquaplaned. Many drivers in the post-race interviews mentioned that a river forms across the track near that point when it rains heavily. It's not hard to believe he aquaplaned.
 
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prisonermonkeys
Unless you think he could have aquaplaned off the racing line going uphill and around a corner.
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I do. Sutil proved that just minutes earlier. There was a river across the track.
 
What's strange is that when Chilton and Sutil come into view they are tip toeing around the corner but Bianchi is carrying a huge amount of speed. Perhaps they were just as fast as Bianchi through the first part of the corner but for whatever reason Bianchi hasn't slowed down enough.
 
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New reports confirm he has suffered diffuse axonal injury from the deceleration. That usually leads to a prolonged coma and a very chance of ending up in a vegetative state...

"Jules remains in the Intensive Care Unit of the Mie General Medical Center in Yokkaichi. He has suffered a diffuse axonal injury and is in a critical but stable condition. The medical professionals at the hospital are providing the very best treatment and care and we are grateful for everything they have done for Jules since his accident.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula-1/jules-bianchi-crash-live-updates-4393413#ixzz3FT96n7wK
 
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New reports confirm he has suffered diffuse axonal injury from the deceleration. That usually leads to a prolonged coma and a very chance of ending up in a vegetative state...

"Jules remains in the Intensive Care Unit of the Mie General Medical Center in Yokkaichi. He has suffered a diffuse axonal injury and is in a critical but stable condition. The medical professionals at the hospital are providing the very best treatment and care and we are grateful for everything they have done for Jules since his accident.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula-1/jules-bianchi-crash-live-updates-4393413#ixzz3FT96n7wK
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Come what may hope he recovers :(
 
prisonermonkeys
Because the angle is all wrong. He's going too fast to have aquaplaned from the outside of the corner because he would have understeered to get that far out. And he would have braked to get to the inside of the corner and get far enough around to aquaplane.

Bianchi is doing the entry speed to Dunlop. If he aquaplaned at the bottom of Dunlop, he would have shaved enough speed off going up the hill. But if his brakes failed at the point of turn-in to Dunlop, it would have been the right speed and the right angle.
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I had the same feeling when i saw the video, too fast and totally straight.
 
KWZX10
I had the same feeling when i saw the video, too fast and totally straight.
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I thought so too at first, the trajectory was wrong, but I think it just means he was aquaplaning even earlier then one would normally expect. And at that point brakes aren't going to help.

I just read this and even though I haven't agreed with him in the past I thought this was spot on:

http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/2014/10/07/2271/
 
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