Justin Bieber.Music

[Prosthetic]

I take that as a shot towards me considering I brought up the older music thing. Now, I take offence that you are putting words in my mouth. Who said that it makes me "more sophisticated"?? Not me.

I wasn't aiming it at you... If I was I would of quoted you or mentioned your name. But as a general census, a lot of people think if they listen to Jazz, Classical and older rock it makes them more sophisticated.

There is tons of very good modern rock bands of all sub-genres... The radio is not the place to find them.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Absolutely correct.

 

[McLaren]

I'm just saying, there are better trees to bark up than criticizing somebody for the type of music that they like.

Your opinion doesn't bother me at all, you can like whatever music you want. Just like the 14 year olds who you love to act so condescending towards really can't be right or wrong by saying they have a good taste in music because...it's completely subjective.

If you like listening to a pre-pubescent teen or some cry baby singing about a girl and what he'll do if he can't have her or even some moron whose only natural talent is screaming at the top of his lungs, more power to you.

That's not music, that's garbage in my opinion. Technology has made it too easy for even William Hung to be an artist.

What do you consider as "modern rock"?
I agree about pop-rock, but there's more than just the usual chart stuff.
And good music is more than just the meaning behind the lyrics.

What do you think modern means? Anything current. Out of 10 new songs made in the last 5 years, only 1 or barely 2 are worth listening to.

And good music today is nothing more than a repeat beat or using the same heavy guitar riff in all your songs.

Music today is a fad. That's it. 1 day someone likes Green Day, the next, someone likes Justin Beaver, Keisha, or whatever the hell else is new.

There is a reason bands like The Eagles, Guns N' Roses, or Aerosmith continue to be big. Bands like Yellowcard, MCR, or that garbage die out because everyone gets sick of that stuff & sees a new band who uses the same music, but a different image. I can't recall the last time someone actually said, "Our music is influenced by Green Day /Saliva/etc". The most current band I can refer influencing someone is Nirvana and god, it's been over 15 years since.

 

[Prosthetic]

There is a reason bands like The Eagles, Guns N' Roses, or Aerosmith continue to be big.

Radio.

Big =/= Good.

 

[McLaren]

Radio.

Big =/= Good.

Sorry, but no. Try again.

 

[Prosthetic]

Sorry, but no. Try again.

Um.. Yeah?

They get tons of radio air time.

ANNNNND... I'm not saying THEY are bad... I'm saying that just because they are huge and their are tons of smaller bands that want to be like them doesn't make them good.

It's the truth. No, try again doesn't work with me broski.

 

[McLaren]

Um.. Yeah?

They get tons of radio air time.

ANNNNND... I'm not saying THEY are bad... I'm saying that just because they are huge and their are tons of smaller bands that want to be like them doesn't make them good.

It's the truth. No, try again doesn't work with me broski.

Radio is not why they continue to be big. If it was, the 80's would have killed them off. The only radio stations that play them today are also geared towards that genre only. Turn on a station playing current top chart & popular songs, & you won't find a trace of them.

Once more, try again.

 

[Prosthetic]

Radio is not why they continue to be big. If it was, the 80's would have killed them off. The only radio stations that play them today are also geared towards that genre only. Turn on a station playing current top chart & popular songs, & you won't find a trace of them.

Once more, try again.

I heard them all the time on Internet and Satellite radio... On all sorts of stations.. I used to listen to the general rock station on Traction every day and GNR was constantly playing on there. Along with tons of other generic 80's rock bands.

I haven't touched radio in a year though...

 

[G.T.Ace]

There is a reason bands like The Eagles, Guns N' Roses, or Aerosmith continue to be big. Bands like Yellowcard, MCR, or that garbage die out because everyone gets sick of that stuff & sees a new band who uses the same music, but a different image. I can't recall the last time someone actually said, "Our music is influenced by Green Day /Saliva/etc". The most current band I can refer influencing someone is Nirvana and god, it's been over 15 years since.

Ever heard from bands and musicians like Porcupine Tree, Pure Reason Revolution, The Flower Kings, Adrian Belew, Trey Gunn, Tony Levin, Pat Mastelotto (all 4 from King Crimson) etc.? Good, most of them make music since a "couple" of years, but they're making modern rock (progressive and also electro) nowadays and that's the point. Like I said, think outside of your typical chart and pop-rock crap. To be honest, the bands you listed aren't that sophisticated either, I like Aerosmith and the old Guns 'n' Roses, but a lot of their stuff isn't that special, by modern standards.

 

[Prosthetic]

Ever heard from bands and musicians like Porcupine Tree, Pure Reson Revolution, The Flower Kings, Adrian Belew, Trey Gunn, Tony Levin, Pat Mastelotto (all 4 from King Crimson) etc.? Good, most of them make music since a "couple" of years, but they're making modern rock (progressive and also electro) nowadays and that's the point. Like I said, think outside of your typical chart and pop-rock crap. To be honest, the bands you listed aren't that sophisticated either, I like Aerosmith and the old Guns 'n' Roses, but a lot of their stuff isn't that special, by modern standards.

👍 I'm a huge PT fan. I think we are getting a little off topic in this thread now... Unless this thread was created for comparisons.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Dunno if it's that off-topic because we are discussing the music industry which you have to do in a Justin Bieber thread.

Anyway, I will watch the Gorillaz livestream on gorillaz.com in ~half an hour, which is another "band" that makes good, modern, music, if it's your taste or not. That is off-topic.

 

[McLaren]

Ever heard from bands and musicians like Porcupine Tree, Pure Reason Revolution, The Flower Kings, Adrian Belew, Trey Gunn, Tony Levin, Pat Mastelotto (all 4 from King Crimson) etc.? Good, most of them make music since a "couple" of years, but they're making modern rock (progressive and also electro) nowadays and that's the point. Like I said, think outside of your typical chart and pop-rock crap. To be honest, the bands you listed aren't that sophisticated either, I like Aerosmith and the old Guns 'n' Roses, but a lot of their stuff isn't that special, by modern standards.

With names like those, probably not. I've learned new bands pick 2 random words & throw it together. Just like their music.

And I never said old music is sophisticated. But, I know most of the bands put more meaning behind their songs than people today. Hell, why should they when again, the technology today lets any idiot become a pop star.

You're not really going to change my opinion either, so there's no point in going on for either of us. I think 95% of today's music sucks more than a prostitute because it's all generic & caters to the same people, which seems to be why hardly any band has its own style or image for that matter. It's almost sad I prefer to listen to techno or hip hop over new rock, & I generally dislike anything hip hop.

So, let me know when someone goes as far as to overdose, be revived, & then writes a song about it or gain an image for themselves. Then, I'll pay more attention to today's rock music.

 

[G.T.Ace]

So, let me know when someone goes as far as to overdose, be revived, & then writes a song about it or gain an image for themselves.

Is that what makes music good to you?

Anyway, if you don't even know the musicians I listed the whole discussion is pointless.

 

[McLaren]

Is that what makes music good to you?

Anyway, if you don't even know the musicians I listed the whole discussion is pointless.

I knew you would miss the point of that. Guess new music does that to people.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Then explain what's the point instead of making comments like that.
I basically know what you mean, a musician goes threw something in his life and then writes a song about it. Great. Doesn't make the music good or anything though.

 

[McLaren]

Then explain what's the point instead of making comments like that.
I basically know what you mean, a musician goes threw something in his life and then writes a song about it. Great. Doesn't make the music good or anything though.

It means let me know when a musician writes a song that's actually got some meaning behind it or is about something worth writing about in his life.

Now will come your reply that, "OMG yeah they do". I'm not interested, b/c as I said, "You're not really going to change my opinion either, so there's no point in going on for either of us."

Ending the discussion here w/ your retort to probably follow.

 

[NissanSkylineN1]

Firstly, Eminem is not necessarily a lyrical genius. Even though he can make good rhymes, no one cares about "Must have been the ganja". Eminem, you are not the only one who smokes weed. Admit it.
Second of all, there is good rap like Common Sense from 1990-2007.

 

[Joel]

Music is 100% subjective. I don't like Justin Bieber's music, and Queen is my favourite band. Am I going to sit here and pretend I can use logic to justify that? No.

Music is subjective. Listen to what you like, and let other people listen to what they like. Beethoven's symphonies, or the Eagles, or Queen, or Boston aren't inherently better than Justin Bieber, Ke$ha, or Lady GaGa.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Beethoven's symphonies, or the Eagles, or Queen, or Boston aren't inherently better than Justin Bieber, Ke$ha, or Lady GaGa.

Yes, they are, from a musical standpoint.
Not everything is a matter of taste, recycled synth samples mixed with dumb lyrics and drum machines have nothing to do with real music. People don't buy Justin Biebers CDs because the music is good.

 

[McLaren]

Music is subjective. Listen to what you like, and let other people listen to what they like. Beethoven's symphonies, or the Eagles, or Queen, or Boston aren't inherently better than Justin Bieber, Ke$ha, or Lady GaGa.

In 2 years time, 4 (a possible 5) of those 7 artists are still going to be around. Which 2 can you guess will be long forgotten?

 

[Max Powers]

If you like listening to a pre-pubescent teen or some cry baby singing about a girl and what he'll do if he can't have her or even some moron whose only natural talent is screaming at the top of his lungs, more power to you.

Defending something does not equal liking it. I never even mentioned what type of music I listen to in this entire thread.

I'm taking an issue on the way you continually talk down to everybody in this thread, and take a holier than thou approach over something that is completely subjective, and therefore has no right or wrong answer. I couldn't care less what kind of music you like or hate.

Let's try to make more sense here than a "light dusting" or "delicious salad". And btw, most modern rock does suck as well.

Sorry, but no. Try again.

Once more, try again.

I knew you would miss the point of that.

Now will come your reply that, "OMG yeah they do". I'm not interested, b/c as I said, "You're not really going to change my opinion either, so there's no point in going on for either of us."

Ending the discussion here w/ your retort to probably follow.

And if that isn't talking down to people over something as trivial as MUSICAL TASTE, then I don't know what is. What's with the attitude towards everybody?

 

[Perfect Balance]

I believe that good music isn't necessarily the same as simply music that one likes. i.e. Musical taste.

In the same way that a car can be "bad" as far as engineering goes, but people might love the car, or the other way around, for example, a Bugatti Veyron. An awesome piece of engineering, but a lot of people absolutely hate the car.

That said, I think Justin Bieber sucks. Not because I don't like the music, but because it's quite generic and requires just about zero talent or skill to create.

Also, before someone makes the typical reply, I don't need to be better at something to know when something else sucks.

 

[mafia_boy]

Firstly, Eminem is not necessarily a lyrical genius. Even though he can make good rhymes, no one cares about "Must have been the ganja".

Find another artist that can turn a feel good song and turn it into a psychotic murderer song like he did when he turned Dido's "Thank You" into his own version, that being "Stan". Hasn't been done before.

Secondly, he's another person who talks about his lifestyle (as I mentioned in a previous post), and that includes all the fights and crap about Kim & his mother Debbie, his songs about his daughter Hayley (Mockingbird, When I'm Gone), his drug habits (Purple Pills is a good example), stuff like that.

Eminem, you are not the only one who smokes weed. Admit it.
Second of all, there is good rap like Common Sense from 1990-2007.

There's heaps of good rappers and good rap around, I can think of a few such as:

-Common.
-Jurassic 5.
-Xzibit
-Snoop Dogg (and the whole 213 Crew, including Warren G, Nate Dogg, etc.)

All great rappers in their own right.

 

[McLaren]

Defending something does not equal liking it. I never even mentioned what type of music I listen to in this entire thread.

I'm taking an issue on the way you continually talk down to everybody in this thread, and take a holier than thou approach over something that is completely subjective, and therefore has no right or wrong answer. I couldn't care less what kind of music you like or hate.

I'm glad you decided to take some of those quotes out of context. Maybe you can read the last one as well.
"You're not really going to change my opinion either, so there's no point in going on for either of us."
I think new music is garbage & I've said why. End of my participation in the discussion, so why keep bothering me about it....

 

[G.T.Ace]

I believe that good music isn't necessarily the same as simply music that one likes. i.e. Musical taste.

In the same way that a car can be "bad" as far as engineering goes, but people might love the car, or the other way around, for example, a Bugatti Veyron. An awesome piece of engineering, but a lot of people absolutely hate the car.

Absolutely.
Although a car can't be sophisticated.

 

[McLaren]

Absolutely.
Although a car can't be sophisticated.

Technically, it can. There is more than 1 definition for sophisticated.

 

[Max Powers]

I'm glad you decided to take some of those quotes out of context. Maybe you can read the last one as well.
"You're not really going to change my opinion either, so there's no point in going on for either of us."
I think new music is garbage & I've said why. End of my participation in the discussion, so why keep bothering me about it....

I was simply trying to point out to you how you acted like a pompous douche towards several members in this thread, often unprovoked, and cited several examples from a single thread. Those quotes are shortened for the sake of pointing out specific examples within your posts, though I could quote your entire posts and the blatantly condescending tone is still there. How you decide to take that is up to you, I'm just here to call you out on it.

If you really think the better-than-you attitude isn't present in those quotes, shortened or not, then there's really nothing else to talk about.

 

[McLaren]

I was simply trying to point out to you how you acted like a pompous douche towards several members in this thread, often unprovoked, and cited several examples from a single thread. Those quotes are shortened for the sake of pointing out specific examples within your posts, though I could quote your entire posts and the blatantly condescending tone is still there. How you decide to take that is up to you, I'm just here to call you out on it.

If you really think the better-than-you attitude isn't present in those quotes, shortened or not, then there's really nothing else to talk about.

And yet you keep going on even though it should be obvious I don't care. What people think of me isn't going to suddenly make me say, "Oh, so sorry. Let me change so you'll like me". If I come off like a douche, sorry I'm doing so, but that's how I see music. Calling me out though, isn't going to do anything; you're just wasting your time.

 

[Max Powers]

As I said, I was just making you aware of how your attitude in these posts comes off. I'm the kind of guy who is going to speak up to somebody when I see them acting in such a manner. You're free to post with whatever attitude you want, just as I'm free to call you out on it.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Technically, it can. There is more than 1 definition for sophisticated.

And there go my English skills.