Laguna Seca Lap Times For 449 Cars (And Counting!)

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  1. The87Dodge

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    True. I bet some duplicates would get the exact same lap times.
     
  2. WhiterunGuard

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    Will you continue to do this for GT7?
     
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    I want him to.
     
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    Update!

    2:00.933 - 348 - Toyota Celica 1600GT (TA22) '70
    2:02.900 - 340 - Toyota Carina ED 2.0 X 4WS '89

    Getting under 2:01 in that Celica felt SO GOOD. Still, it's 2 seconds slower than the Skyline 2000GT-R '70 but it's 2 seconds faster than the Honda 1300 Coupe 9 S '70.

    And yes I will certainly do this again for GT7. I have a PS4, and am waiting for the official GT7 racing wheel :)

    Edit:

    Re-tested Hyundai Genesis '13 and Honda CR-X '83 and went from 1:51.0 to 1:50.8 and from 2:00.0 to 1:59.8

    It took an entire half hour to crack under the 2 minute wall in that CR-X, but I'm very happy that it's capable of it, and even more happy that I'm capable of it.

    Compare CR-X's time!

    1:55.916 - 383 - Honda CR-X SiR '90
    1:59.827 - 363 - Honda Ballade Sports CR-X 1.5i '83

    SiR
    1.6L
    157 hp / 7,500 rpm
    112 ft-lb / 7,000 rpm
    986 kg

    1.5i
    1.5L
    108 hp / 6,000 rpm
    100 ft-lb / 4,500 rpm
    815 kg

    The first-gen has 49 fewer ponies and just 12 fewer ft-lbs, but peak power arrives much sooner. And it weighs 171 kg less!

    Edit2:

    Re-tested Honda City Turbo II '83 and went from 2:00.699 to 1:59.954! Barely slower than the CR-X!

    1.2L
    107 hp / 5,500 rpm
    118 ft-lb / 3,000 rpm
    735 kg
    381 pp

    Man, I really want a City Turbo II now.
     
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  5. MidFieldMaven

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    Re-tested the Toyota Celica 2000GT-Four (ST165) '86 because it was a 1:57.0 and I'm attempting to beat all my x:xx.0 lap times...

    1:56.717 - 388 - Toyota Celica 2000GT-Four (ST165) '86

    And so I had to re-test the MR2...

    Before:

    1:56.732 - 371 - Toyota MR2 1600 G-Limited Super Charger '86

    After:

    1:56.391 - 371 - Toyota MR2 1600 G-Limited Super Charger '86

    I love both of these cars.

    Celica
    2.0L
    182 hp / 6,000 rpm
    177 ft-lb / 4,000 rpm
    1,350 kg (2,976 lbs)

    91 hp/L
    10.9 lbs/hp

    MR2
    1.6L
    140 hp / 6,500 rpm
    137 ft-lb / 4,500 rpm
    1,070 kg (2,359 lbs)

    88 hp/L
    16.9 lbs/hp

    Despite carrying 6 more lbs per 1 horsepower, the MR2's superior drivetrain propel it ahead of the Celica, but only slightly.
     
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  6. MidFieldMaven

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    Re-tested two Celicas

    Before:

    1:56.1 - 395 - Toyota Celica SS-II (ZZT231) '99
    1:56.6 - 398 - Toyota Celica SS-II (ST202) '97

    After:

    1:55.3 - 395 - Toyota Celica SS-II (ZZT231) '99
    1:56.4 - 398 - Toyota Celica SS-II (ST202) '97

    Couldn't improve the '97 that much, but 2 tenths is better than nothing! The '03 had a lot of room for improvement, and it is now a much more respectable time. However it is no match for the superior Integra which is over 1.5 seconds quicker.

    Before:

    1:54.0 - 403 - Acura Integra Type R '01

    After:

    1:53.7 - 403 - Acura Integra Type R '01



    Before:

    1:58.3 - 379 - Toyota Celica 2000GT-R (ST162) '86

    After:

    1:57.6 - 379 - Toyota Celica 2000GT-R (ST162) '86

    The 4WD Turbo GT-Four '86 is less than a full second faster than the FF non-turbo GT-R.

    Before:

    2:01.0 - 356 - Chrysler PT Cruiser '00

    After:

    2:00.6 - 356 - Chrysler PT Cruiser '00

    Before:

    2:00.0 - 350 - Honda Fit RS '10

    After:

    1:59.5 - 350 - Honda Fit RS '10

    Before:

    1:50.0 - 433 - Audi TT Coupe 3.2 Quattro '07

    After:

    1:49.9 - 433 - Audi TT Coupe 3.2 Quattro '07

    Before:

    2:09.0 - 318 - Mini Cooper 1.3i '98

    After:

    2:08.6 - 318 - Mini Cooper 1.3i '98

    I'm on a roll today.
     
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  7. MidFieldMaven

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    Update!

    1:52.499 - 407 - Honda Integra Type R (DC2) '95
    2:00.904 - 349 - Honda Civic 1500 3door 25i '83
     
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    Update!

    1:48.209 - 499 - Mercedes-Benz C 63 AMG '08
    1:49.804 - 438 - Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (FD, J) '92

    That RX-7 is the lightest FD in the game, at 1230 kg.

    Also re-tested Lexus IS F '07

    Before - 1:46.9
    After - 1:46.5
     
  9. ALB123

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    What does FD stand for?
     
  10. MidFieldMaven

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    FD is the chassis code for the '91-02 Mazda RX-7.
     
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  11. ALB123

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    Ahhh okay. I never knew that...
     
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  12. MidFieldMaven

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    Update!

    1:59.209 - 356 - Mazda Cosmo Sport (L10B) '68
    2:00.383 - 342 - Mazda Cosmo Sport (L10A) '67

    A lot of people say the Mazda Miata/MX-5 is the spiritual successor of the Lotus Elan, but I'd make the argument that the Cosmo is more Miata-like. Sure it's got a rotary engine (the first to be mass-produced) instead of a DOHC 1.6L I-4, and okay it doesn't have a folding roof, BUT it is a Mazda, and it weighs just about the same as the Miata. Also, in the case of the L10B, its performance is more on par with the Miata than the Elan.

    1:55.874 - 400 - Nissan Skyline GTS-R (R31) '87
    1:56.302 - 393 - Nissan Skyline HT 2000 Turbo RS (R30) '83
    2:08.141 - 333 - Mitsubishi Minica Dangan ZZ '89
     
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  13. Johnnypenso

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    This video should be required watching for all GT fans, if only to show what is possible on the hardest tire compound with the most basic input device. If you covered the bottom of the screen, I'd guess that most people would never guess that lap was done on Comfort Hard tires and with a DS3:crazy:. And the corner speeds look absolutely spot on from a spectator standpoint. Nice work:tup::tup:
     
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  14. MidFieldMaven

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    Update! Though my testing has slowed to a trickle...I'm getting seriously burnt out on GT6 and might need to take a break for a few weeks or months maybe.

    1:44.549 - 479 - Hyundai Accent Rally Car '01
    1:52.588 - 410 - Honda Integra Type R (DC2) '99
    1:59.436 - 373 - Honda S800 RSC '68
     
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    I think that's quite understandable. You provide such a wonderful service for GTPlanet members... I can only imagine how much time you've put into the Suzuka and Laguna Seca tests. Just promise me that you WILL come back after taking a break. It would be a shame to lose you on this forum. I enjoy your videos so much. In fact, I was just searching for a video of you driving the Abarth 500 on Laguna Seca, but I could only locate the Abarth 500 on Suzuka. You've provided us with so many outstanding hot lap videos. I love watching them when I'm trying to get better with a particular car. :tup:
     
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    Don't overdo it -- if it ain't fun it ain't worth pursuing! :) Your work is here to stay, it's put to good use. :tup: :bowdown:
     
  17. 88GTA

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    Did you know that two days after you posted this, Randy Pobst ran the Nismo GT-R '15 at Laguna?

    Your time - 1:39.895
    R. Pobst - 1:35.509

    Video below:
     
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  18. MidFieldMaven

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    I bet that time could be beaten on CM tires. Randy is my idol :sly:
     
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    Prove it. :sly:

    How about this for a new challenge: See what GT6 tire grade it takes for you to match Randy's lap times at Laguna. For the Nismo GT-R '14, I say CS.
     
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    Each upgrade in tire compound is worth about 3-4 seconds on average. With CS tires, I'd guess a time of 1:32 is possible. I'll try this out later.
     
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    After 10-15 minutes worth of attempts, the best I can do right now is 1:34.235 on CS tires. If I was going to be recording this, I'd keep going until I managed 1:33 but on a DS3 there's no way I'm getting 1:32

    1:34.235 - CS
    1:36.637 - CM

    Same thing with CM tires, I'm sure I could get 1:35 with enough laps.

    Hard to tell now which tires are most representative in Randy's lap. Somewhere in between CM and CS.
     
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  22. 88GTA

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    Maybe they are even sports hard? Car and Driver tested with 255/40RF-20 run-flat Dunlop SP Sport Maxx GT 600 DSST tires in their test here.

    How were your cornering speeds compared to Pobst's lap?
     
  23. MidFieldMaven

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    With SH tires, I got a 1:31.4 but know 1:30 is achievable. Aliens with wheels can do 1:28 maybe 1:27 if they know magic or use more of the track than they would in real life.

    139 mph (GT6) vs. 137 mph (Randy)

    Cornering speeds varied a lot. I'd need a wheel for better accuracy and precision in my cornering.
     
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    That's exactly the feeling I have. For me, CM would be the cheapest "sports" road tyres, CS would be the high-end of road-profiled sports tyres with hard semi-slick rubber (such as the Toyo R1R).
     
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  25. Rotorist

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    CS are the ones closer to the ones GTR NISMO wears. Randy isn't all out there. My lap on CS was 1'35" and was a bit risky, so Randy's safe but fast was 1 sec slower which is great time in real world.
     
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    Update!

    1:40.028 - 532 - Mini Clubman Vision Gran Turismo

    1:39 can be done, but I feel like I spent enough time trying. I'd say 1:40.500 or 1:41.000 would be Gold in a hypothetical seasonal event.

     
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    Yeah, it's fast, but the entry understeer is annoying. It will be much faster with a setup allowing it to slide a bit under braking.
     
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    Mid-Field Raceway, Comfort Soft tires.

    1:25.715 - Honda S2000 '99
    1:26.718 - Honda S2000 '06
    1:28.801 - Subaru BRZ S '12
    1:30.703 - Mazda Roadster RS (NC) '07
    1:34.843 - Mazda Eunos Roadster (NA Special Package) '89

    Replays: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLaHydDMyRymSb8YrVzlw7Pla07fKtvksN

    Honda '99
    2.0L
    242 hp / 8,000 rpm
    161 ft-lb / 7,500 rpm
    1,240 kg (2,734 lbs)
    428 pp

    Honda '06
    2.2L
    235 hp / 8,000 rpm
    163 ft-lb / 6,500 rpm
    1,250 kg
    423 pp

    Subaru '12
    2.0L
    198 hp / 7,000 rpm
    151 ft-lb / 6,500 rpm
    1,230 kg
    407 pp

    Mazda '07
    2.0L
    164 hp / 6,500 rpm
    140 ft-lb / 5,000 rpm
    1,100 kg (2,425 lbs)
    391 pp

    Mazda '89
    1.6L
    117 hp / 6,500 rpm
    101 ft-lb / 5,500 rpm
    940 kg (2,072 lbs)
    358 pp

    Max Speed
    131 mph - Honda '99
    127 mph - Honda '06
    121 mph - Subaru '12
    117 mph - Mazda '07
    108 mph - Mazda '89

    I cannot wait until the 2016 Mazda Roadster 2.0L comes to Gran Turismo. It will weigh about 100 kg less than the NC and have 9 fewer horses but 8 more ft-lbs of torque. I'm guessing it will do a lap in 1:28 and reach a speed of 123 mph :sly: Reaching ever closer to the awesome performance of the S2000, and possibly tying with the BRZ!
     
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    Haha, I'm enjoying Mid-Field as well. For me, it was a "meh" track in previous games, but with the GT6 physics, it is much more interesting and I really enjoy it. I really like the reverse version as well.
     
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    Got around to the Honda S2000 '06 and it ran a 1:26.718 or exactly 1 second behind the S2000 '99.

    Updated previous post.
     
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