LCS: Season 2: TVR Tuscan RM Racing League

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I recieved a complaint about lizard50, by the way xeriff. down into the 4th corner of the track he misjudged the braking point and hit another racer off. Yes, it was just a mistake, but could you please tell him to look at the rules as he did not let the driver he hit ahead of him again. He was very clean with me so I know it was just an accident, though!

We are meeting on Wed for practice so will have a word.

He enjoyed the race apart from one racer who kept ramming him. No need for complaint but I bet you can guess who !!

Also, it was his first longer race as we usually race elises against each other from the seloc forums (lotus owners club). It takes a couple of races to turn from a 5 lap bomber into a 30 laps grinder.
 
We are meeting on Wed for practice so will have a word.

He enjoyed the race apart from one racer who kept ramming him. No need for complaint but I bet you can guess who !!

Also, it was his first longer race as we usually race elises against each other from the seloc forums (lotus owners club). It takes a couple of races to turn from a 5 lap bomber into a 30 laps grinder.

Thanks mate. I enjoyed the race, and I came 11th!! XD
 
Racing has been good but as ever we can make it better.

What happened to baku?

Bakugekiki has decided to exit LCS as the times interfere with his Real Life. Now that its approaching summer time and the days are longer, hes spending more time out having this thing called a "Real Life"... what a saddo. :D

But he will be competing in a championship me and him are putting together for saturdays. Link is in my signature if you wanna check it :D
 
Racing has been good but as ever we can make it better.

What happened to baku?

Yeah, unfortunately I have real life. Basically I have to spend inordinate amounts of time playing golf in preparation for going to University. Because the only time I have free is at weekends, during the week I'm at Sixth Form, I have to spend daylight hours playing golf. It's now staying light until after 5 meaning I will be playing golf after and during the time LCS is held.

Very unfortunate but I'm sure people understand that I need to prioritise. However, I do look forward to stepping in as guest driver. The thing about golf is if it rains then you can't really play, this is when I should be able to make an appearance. You never know, if someone else doesn't have a team mate then I could step in for them.
 
Yeah, unfortunately I have real life. Basically I have to spend inordinate amounts of time playing golf in preparation for going to University. Because the only time I have free is at weekends, because obviously during the week I'm at Sixth Form, I have to spend daylight hours playing golf. It's now staying light until after 5 meaning I will be playing golf after and during the time LCS is held.

Very unfortunate but I'm sure people understand that I need to prioritise. However, I do look forward to stepping in as guest driver. The thing about golf is if it rains then you can't really play, this is when I should be able to make an appearance. You never know, if someone else doesn't have a team mate then I could step in for them.

Golf and 6th form. Mad combo :P

But u did live in Alston. So what else was there to do *

* apart from the obvious :P
 
Golf and 6th form. Mad combo :P

But u did live in Alston. So what else was there to do *

* apart from the obvious :P

I could have hung around the Market Cross or smashed bottles on Fair Hill, that's if I didn't want to do that obvious thing. Maybe you saw my house, it was opposite Fair Hill on the way to Jollybeard. You looked down on it as you walked past, you could look across the gardens! I don't know how well you know Alston but you seem to know there was little to do!

I'm looking forward to possibly making the next race, I loved the last night race we had. I'll have to get to know Circuit de la Sarthe better, I've barely raced there.
 
I've put my complaint about that dude... got to lap 10 & had enough of his cheating that Muriyori something that mexican tho
 
We are meeting on Wed for practice so will have a word.

He enjoyed the race apart from one racer who kept ramming him. No need for complaint but I bet you can guess who !!

Also, it was his first longer race as we usually race elises against each other from the seloc forums (lotus owners club). It takes a couple of races to turn from a 5 lap bomber into a 30 laps grinder.

Yes, apologies to whoever I knocked off - I did apologise generally after the race in the lounge for any mishaps. I was getting a good bashing myself at the start (ooer) and that added to the difficulty. It was a genuine mistake and hopefully as per your comments you'll see that I try to race cleanly.

As Xer points out, it was my first race in excess of 5-10 laps, and I took a lot away from it in terms of longer race experience. I kind of enjoyed it, but don't feel I did as well as I could have done...

One bit of feedback - I think the potential benefits of rolling start are outweighted by the disadvantages - everybody being out of position after qually, the occasional person going really slow (i.e. nearly stopping) near the race start during the roll - what are you supposed to do in that situation? Overtake them? Is the series a democracy? If so, may be worth doing a poll on rolling versus stationary starts... Just a thought...
 
I have found no reason to penalise anyone for their actions during the 1st race, although people need to be a bit more careful with their braking points.
 
Yes, apologies to whoever I knocked off - I did apologise generally after the race in the lounge for any mishaps. I was getting a good bashing myself at the start (ooer) and that added to the difficulty. It was a genuine mistake and hopefully as per your comments you'll see that I try to race cleanly.

As Xer points out, it was my first race in excess of 5-10 laps, and I took a lot away from it in terms of longer race experience. I kind of enjoyed it, but don't feel I did as well as I could have done...

One bit of feedback - I think the potential benefits of rolling start are outweighted by the disadvantages - everybody being out of position after qually, the occasional person going really slow (i.e. nearly stopping) near the race start during the roll - what are you supposed to do in that situation? Overtake them? Is the series a democracy? If so, may be worth doing a poll on rolling versus stationary starts... Just a thought...

The rolling start is in place so people (like me) with H-Shifters don't have to worry about missing a gear at the start, also it's safer at the first corner. If everyone practised then it should be better. Also, Indy is somewhat difficult to rolling start on.

However, as the next track we are on will take about 10 minutes to go around at 60mph, we will have a grid start.
 
The rolling start is in place so people (like me) with H-Shifters don't have to worry about missing a gear at the start, also it's safer at the first corner. If everyone practised then it should be better. Also, Indy is somewhat difficult to rolling start on.

However, as the next track we are on will take about 10 minutes to go around at 60mph, we will have a grid start.

Hmmm, I'm not sure that one racer's H-Shift issue and potential gear miss is justification for the entire grid doing a rolling start - but that's just my view.

It also occurred to me that in a rolling start, those further down are potentially penalised quite heavily versus a standing start, dependent upon the spacings of those in the roll - for me it just adds a great deal of mess, randomness etc. for very little benefit.

Will be interesting to see how much carnage emanates from the standing start to weigh up the pros and cons in reality 👍
 
Lotus Penalise them i lost my position coz they used racing softs and i racing hards Mate i would of been 2nd .... plz penalise this is manipulating the race.. which i dont like
 
and u did say us 20 times to change to racing hards .. coz now i will lose points in the team and driver standings :(
 
abaxas dont think i hate u but u did manipulate the race bro Black_Stig too .. so srry about my complaint :( and the rules are Racing Softs - Racing Hards!
 
abaxas dont think i hate u but u did manipulate the race bro Black_Stig too .. so srry about my complaint :( and the rules are Racing Softs - Racing Hards!

I dont care about the complaint. All I care about is keeping the good feeling in the series.

I made a mistake thinking I'd swapped, but didnt. Hence it's up to the race organizers to do whatever they think is best. I'm happy for whatever outcome they decide on. Currently nothing but a slap, but if that changes. I'll not complain.
 
What will be the punishment for this? (if it is found to be true obviously)
Seems like its sorted :lol:


As for my race report:

Bit confusing with the positions at the start so just dropped back a few places so i didn't upset anyone! :lol: Didn't make much difference in the end and was soon behind Europa in about 8th before the end of the lap.

Following this was a great scrap between me europa, and someone else! (cont remember who 💡 lol) Europa blocked us and slowed us down brilliantly for at least 3 or 4 laps until the other guy finally got passed.

Europa still didn't give up, holding me back for another lap. When I finally got past, I had an open road in front of me so I put in some of my best laps (only 1.28 or so but hey). After that 14 lap stint on softs i pitted for hards until lap 18 or so. During this time I lost a few places due to stopping and being on hards. I then put on my final set of softs for the last set of laps and soon caught back up with Europa and his scrap again!

This time, I easily passed them both within a few corners, I can only assume they were on hards. I then powered on, making up another place into 8th, only to make my only major mistake of the race, and spin into the gravel on the penultimate corner, 4 laps before the end. All my work undone.

However, still being on a almost fresh set of softs I managed to catch them all back and re took 8th. I would have been so angry if i couldn't have made it!! :ouch: :lol:

Overall it was a great race, didn't see any unfair racing and the (few:lol:) back markers I overtook seemed to be considerate and didn't give me any hassle 👍👍

can't wait till next week!!

I took 9th...when you had the off...I was a few car lengths behind. You caught me up though as my pit strategy was very poor. I drew out the softs until lap 22 and hadnt practiced enough/at all on the hards. I dont think they warmed for 3 laps. I could have stayed on softies and posted better times with no stop I think. I had less then 15% remainingg grip by lap 21 and still ran 1:33.8. On hards I immediately lost 5 seconds.
 
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I have found no reason to penalise anyone for their actions during the 1st race, although people need to be a bit more careful with their braking points.

i'm unhappy about this. regardless of driver experience (or lack of it) leading to one off mistakes, rule breakers should still be punished, if only to be made an example of, otherwise there's no point in having a penalty system in place.

as i've already used the PM function and have not been satisfied with the outcome i guess i have to publicise the incident and name the drivers involved:

firstly, on the first racing lap (lap 2 in the replay), lizard50 made a passing move on me into the 4th corner (the right hander) which resulted in me being forced off the track. i was not let through after the incident. if you watch the replay, you'll see he was about a whole car length behind me before darting up the inside. admittedly, i was going around steadily as i'd already had a few bumps, but not so much so that i could be regarded as slowing down the field.
you'll also notice the speed at which he enters the corner... had i not been there to act as his 'barrier' i imagine that he would have gone off the track instead. unfortunately, the replay understates this as it seems as though the cars are moving slowly at this point.
my understanding is that if a driver is not alongside another driver before making a passing move on the inside line going into a corner he has no right to make a move unless he has reason to believe he is being held up by a slower driver - not the case here.
it's basic racing etiquette as set out in gtplanet's own set of rules.

i understand that with this being the first race people may not be comfortable with the cars or the tracks or even with their fellow competitors, but this does not mean the agressors involved in incidents should escape punishment. the idea of a penal system is actually to act as a deterrent to prevent would-be violators committing offences against others but should they make mistakes (and then not correct them by, in this case, letting the driver through) they should be punished, if only to set an example to the other drivers, set the tone for the rest of the series and to promote consistency.

i ask that this incident is looked into again and a penalty brought against lizard50 for wreckless and inconsiderate driving.

secondly, there were also incidents involving drivers swerving across the track more than once to prevent themselves being slipstreamed (drafted) and incidents involving lapped drivers being uneccessarily inconsiderate, one of the team lotus drivers and blastomatic respectively... this is 'dangerous' driving and i don't feel it's acceptable.

the team lotus driver apologised after the race and even told me that he tried to let me through after another incident. hopefully, this means he already knows that his driving was a little erratic and will try to prevent a repeat of this in the future.
blastomatic, though...hmmm. seems like has was making a lot of apologies after the race and i know of at least one other driver who was involved in several incidents with him (i shan't name him), so it's hard to believe that no penalties have been brought against him.

again, i ask that the organisers review the driving of blastomatic and issue an appropriate penalty.

some may deem this as being overly killjoy, but the point of rules - and adhering to them - is to create a universally enjoyable, mutually beneficial, safe, fair and competitive driving environment in which to compete. if no penalites are brought against lizard50 and blastomatic then i shall have to adjust my driving style to better suit theirs (and others) as, by implication, their driving is acceptable and i will expect that my driving will also go unpunished - i'm a fair driver, but i've no desire to become the series' resident punch bag.

i was also unfortunate to be involved in an incident in a totally different league recently where a car in front of me trying to pass a back marker collided with him and had a mild spin off the track. i was caught up in the aftermath and because the damage was set to heavy, my race was effectively over. ironically, the driver involved in this tussle (who went on to win the race, i should point out) seemed to think that there were no incidents in the race whatsoever. i recall lizard50 also displaying a similar outlook on the race (although his excuse was something along the lines of "i got some bumps too so it's ok, right?"). why only the aggressors and the blatantly guilty believe this to be true is beyond me and is becoming a common occurence, i've noted, in these seemingly 'organised' leagues.

speaking of which - thanks to the organisers for putting together the series, i do understand that getting 16 mainly unknown people together for a racing series has it's difficulties.
all i ask is that if you're going to be serving out penalties to people who can't regularly attend then it should follow that penalties are also given to those who, purposefully or otherwise, display disregard for their fellow competitors through dangerous or incompetent driving.

FYI: if i ever find myself involved in a similar incident, you can rest assured i will have no issues with being penalised unless i feel it is unjustified.
however, in these cases, i do not believe my complaints, or the reasons for them, are unwarranted.
 
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good luck with this europa ! :lol:

Also, hows the video(s?) coming along ?? looking forward to seeing it!
 
I do agree with the_xeriff and The_Black_Stig_ starting from the back next race, that is a reasonable punishment. As for lizard50's incident, I really do believe he would have made the corner without you and that it was just a 1 off mistake. A racing incident, if you will. I see why you want him punished, but I do not think that incident was worth any real punishment.
 
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