List of cars represented incorrectly in GT3.

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This list pretends to tell PD what cars they have made an mistake. These mistakes might be due to an licensing issues or an real mistake. I will create this list to show the cars which have these errors in them. If you have any car which contains any mistake, then please let me know. Your comment of the car should be: Model, year, paint work or even messed specifications.

List of vehicles:
Audi TT 1.8T Quattro'00
Incorrect drivetrain: PD claims this car as 4WD when the real car is FF because in 4WD Challenge, this car has wheelspin in the start. So, PD putted TT in wrong championship: 4WD Challenge instead of FF Challenge.

Lancia Delta HF Integrale Rally Car'92
"Lancia Racing" in windows and wings instead of "Martini Racing". The plate of the rally is replaced with an dark blue rectangle; cigarrete/alcohol logos were removed from the car.

Lister V12 Storm Race Car'99
Wrong weight: 3164 pounds (weight of road car) instead of 2400 pounds (the real race car weights 2400). It also has an incomplete livery (lack of Hewland logo and lack of Lease Plan logo)

Nissan R390 Race Car'98
Wrong HP: 542 HP instead of 650 HP.

Nissan R390 Road Car'98
Wrong specifications: 350 HP instead of 550 HP; It also has an top speed of 150 mph instead of 220 mph.

Pagani Zonda C12'00
Wrong Gear ratios. (150 mph instead of 210 mph)

OP will be updated regularly. If I missed a certain car that was mentioned, please let me know.

Thanks to: Naveek Darkroom; HDT Commodore; adam46

If I didn't credit you, please don't hesitate to tell me. Thank you.
 
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Here's one: Lister Storm V12 Race Car. Apparently only weighs 2400 pounds in reality, but weighs a ridiculous 3164 pounds in game, which sounds more like the road car weight. Apparently, the road car is actually closer to 3700. Don't remember its weight in GT2. Don't know where 3164 pounds came from. Also, the livery may or may not be "complete". This may hold true for some other cars, too. Not to mention the Nissan R390 road car, which apparently should have 550 horsepower and go 220 mph, has only had 350 horsepower and a top end of 150 since it first appeared in GT2. The race car seems fine, though. Don't know if the cars that are in both GT3 and 6 mentioned in that thread have the same problems as this game.
 
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Naveek Darkroom
Here's one: Lister Storm V12 Race Car. Apparently only weighs 2400 pounds in reality, but weighs a ridiculous 3164 pounds in game, which sounds more like the road car weight. Also, the livery may or may not be "complete". This may hold true for some other cars, too. Not to mention the Nissan R390 road car, which apparently should have 550 horsepower and go 220 mph, has only had 350 horsepower and a top end of 150 since it first appeared in GT2. The race car seems fine, though. Don't know if the cars that are in both GT3 and 6 mentioned in that thread have the same problems as this game.
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Nice find. I found that the livery is really incomplete.

Comparison between GT3 car to real car:
Lister_Storm_GT_racing_profile.jpg

 
Yeah. I don't pay attention to liveries like this most of the time, but given PD's apparent consistent inconsistency, I figured the paint job may be as lacking as it apparently is in GT6. The weight I was sure about. Haven't really driven the Storm. I'm not sure if any of the inaccuracies listed in that GT6 thread I linked apply to this game. For the record, the cars listed that are in this game:

Chevrolet Corvette C5-R (C5) '00
Missing the "24 Heures du Mans" logo.

Citroen Xsara Rally Car '99
Missing the "RACC" and "Rally Catalunya" logos.

Ford 2000 Ford Falcon XR8
Missing the driver names on rear passenger windows, the "Ford Tickford Racing" logo on rear-quarter panels, and the missing website on the side-skirts.

Ford Escort Rally Car '98
Missing driver names and number. Odd considering GT4's PAL Escort had a much more accurate model.

Honda S2000 LM Race Car
Displays a #33 on the hood but a #30 everywhere else.

Lister Storm V12 Race Car '99
Weighs 1438 kg in game while it only weighs 1100 kg in real life. It also has an "incomplete" paint job.

Mazda 787B '91
Missing the Le Mans Group C logos on the roof. Driver names are also incorrect.

Mercedes-Benz CLK Touring Car '00
Missing the "Mannesmann", "Bilstein", "Wurth", "DTM", and "ARCOR" logos (odd considering the Astra DTM has it). Also missing the driver name on rear windows.

Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI Rally Car '99
No driver/co-driver name, no "Tommi" in hood and rear bumper (Was there in GT3), no round name in top of number "1" (TAP Rali de Portugal 1999) and no plate. (Belongs to Tommi Makinen).

Nissan R390 GT1 '98
Missing the "24 Heures du Mans" logo which is odd since it has a premium-esque exterior.

Panoz Esperante GTR-1 Race Car '98
Missing the "USRRC" logos. Replaced by Gran Turismo logos. Specs also seem incorrect. In-game boasting 1150 kg but in real-life with ~900 kg.

Opel Calibra Touring Car '94
Missing the DTM "DEKRA" logos.

Peugeot 206 Rally Car '99
Driver/Co-driver name (François Delecour/Daniel Grataloup) blocked by blocks and plate of round replaced by "Gran Turismo" Logo.

SRT Viper GTS-R (Team Oreca) #51 & #91 '00
Not only are they listed as SRT and not as Chrysler (#51) or Dodge (#91), they are missing the "24 Heures du Mans" logo (#51) or the "WSC" logos (#91). Gran Turismo logos currently take their place.

Toyota COROLLA Rally Car '98
Driver names, flags, and "RACC" logo under number replaced by blocks.

Toyota GT-ONE (TS020) '99
Missing the "24 Heures du Mans" logo. Gran Turismo logo takes its place.

Toyota COROLLA Rally Car '98
Driver names, flags, and "RACC" logo under number replaced by blocks.

Toyota GT-ONE (TS020) '99
Missing the "24 Heures du Mans" logo. Gran Turismo logo takes its place.

From this thread. Like I said, not all of these may apply to GT3, these are just the cars that are in both 3 and 6 from that thread. I'm lazy. I know for sure the Storm is wrong (At least the weight is), and whether the R390's paint is missing things, they got the specs right. Credit to anyone involved in that thread.

For the record, the Gillet Vertigo mentioned in the original thread is for the one from GT4, which is yellow, not GT3's red one.
 
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Naveek Darkroom
Yeah. I don't pay attention to liveries like this most of the time, but given PD's apparent consistent inconsistency, I figured the paint job may be as lacking as it apparently is in GT6. The weight I was sure about. Haven't really driven the Storm.
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And also I found that R390 Race Car has wrong HP. Does the R390 Race Car have 542 HP or 641 HP in real life?
 
Harsk100
And also I found that R390 Race Car has wrong HP. Does the R390 Race Car have 542 HP or 641 HP in real life?
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The race car should have closer to 641. I think it has around 633 in game, possibly more with an oil change. Close enough. GTVault says it makes 641, and I believe they use the figures for oil changed/broken in engines, so the race car is represented fine. The road car, however, is definitely not right.

Neither are the Pagani Zonda C12 and C12S for that matter. The gearing is all wrong. I don't know what the gearing is like in real life, but they should both easily go at least 170 mph, not 150 like in game. They seem to have just copied and pasted the gearing from the R390 road car. The gearing GT4 gives both cars is probably much more accurate.
 
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Naveek Darkroom
The race car should have closer to 641. I think it has around 633 in game, possibly more with an oil change. Close enough. GTVault says it makes 641, and I believe they use the figures for oil changed/broken in engines, so the race car is represented fine. The road car, however, is definitely not right.

Neither are the Pagani Zonda C12 and C12S for that matter. The gearing is all wrong. I don't know what the gearing is like in real life, but they should both easily go at least 170 mph, not 150 like in game. They seem to have just copied and pasted the gearing from the R390 road car. The gearing GT4 gives both cars is probably much more accurate.
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And the normal C12 can go to 210 mph also.
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/spec/404/Pagani-Zonda-C12.html

So, the gear ratios of normal C12 in GT3 are completly wrong.

The Real R390 Race Car has 650 HP.
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/spec/394/Nissan-R390-GT1.html
 
Okay. The race car is close enough I guess, except for a potentially missing logo. Didn't know the real normal C12 could go that fast. So even GT4 apparently got the gearing wrong, if better. But that site says the Zonda C12 has 1.6L Nissan turbo 4, which sounds more like the DeltaWing engine. Wikipedia (and the game) says the C12 has a 6L Benz V12 with about 390. 5 production models is consistent, though. And I don't doubt the R390 race car having 650 hp, '97 or '98. Both are in GT2, and both have 633. And both road cars have 350 horsepower and a top speed of 150. Also, you said the R390 race car has 541 hp in the OP. It has 641, which is accurate enough to real life. Also, both the C12 and C12S have the wrong gearing, not just the C12.

Also, the transmission on the Nissan Z Concept may or may not be correct. That link says the concept has a 6 speed manual, but it's only a 5 speed in game. The description says the production car may offer a 6 speed manual or 5 speed automatic (Which it did), so PD may be simulating the automatic, even though I don't think the concept ever had an automatic, only the production model did. I'm not sure.

And the Audi TT "Quattro" is definitely misrepresented. Since it's a TT Quattro, it should have all wheel drive, and is labeled as such (You can enter it in the 4WD Challenge, but not the FF Challenge), but is programmed as FRONT wheel drive in game, which is why it has so much wheelspin while stock. Since there is such as thing as a front drive TT in real life (Though the current one is now AWD only), this isn't unrealistic. But since it's CALLED a Quattro in game, I expect to have it actually be AWD, not be a mislabeled FF car. You can buy a VCD to fix this (thank god), however. This error has carried over to GT4 (And I think 5, too), though the 3.2 V6 in GT4 doesn't have this error.

Short version: Audi TT 1.8T "Quattro" programmed as a front wheel drive car, need to buy VCD to fix.
 
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Naveek Darkroom
Okay. The race car is close enough I guess, except for a potentially missing logo. Didn't know the real normal C12 could go that fast. So even GT4 apparently got the gearing wrong, if better. But that site says the Zonda C12 has 1.6L Nissan turbo 4, which sounds more like the DeltaWing engine. Wikipedia (and the game) says the C12 has a 6L Benz V12 with about 390. 5 production models is consistent, though. And I don't doubt the R390 race car having 650 hp, '97 or '98. Both are in GT2, and both have 633. And both road cars have 350 horsepower and a top speed of 150. Also, you said the R390 race car has 541 hp in the OP. It has 641, which is accurate enough to real life. Also, both the C12 and C12S have the wrong gearing, not just the C12.

Also, the transmission on the Nissan Z Concept may or may not be correct. That link says the concept has a 6 speed manual, but it's only a 5 speed in game. The description says the production car may offer a 6 speed manual or 5 speed automatic (Which it did), so PD may be simulating the automatic, even though I don't think the concept ever had an automatic, only the production model did. I'm not sure.

And the Audi TT "Quattro" is definitely misrepresented. Since it's a TT Quattro, it should have all wheel drive, and is labeled as such (You can enter it in the 4WD Challenge, but not the FF Challenge), but is programmed as FRONT wheel drive in game, which is why it has so much wheelspin while stock. Since there is such as thing as a front drive TT in real life (Though the current one is now AWD only), this isn't unrealistic. But since it's CALLED a Quattro in game, I expect to have it actually be AWD, not be a mislabeled FF car. You can buy a VCD to fix this (thank god), however. This error has carried over to GT4 (And I think 5, too), though the 3.2 V6 in GT4 doesn't have this error.

Short version: Audi TT 1.8T "Quattro" programmed as a front wheel drive car, need to buy VCD to fix.
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Well, I'm also not sure about the Z Concept. But I know that Audi TT Quattro acts life FF car... But PD puts this car in 4WD Challenge because they think that it is 4WD.

http://www.zeperfs.com/en/fiche75-audi-tt-1-8t-quattro.htm
I found the specs of Audi TT 1.8T Quattro and as it produces wheelspin, it is definetly an FF vehicle.
 
Harsk100
Well, I'm also not sure about the Z Concept. But I know that Audi TT Quattro acts life FF car... But PD puts this car in 4WD Challenge because they think that it is 4WD.

http://www.zeperfs.com/en/fiche75-audi-tt-1-8t-quattro.htm
I found the specs of Audi TT 1.8T Quattro and as it produces wheelspin, it is definetly an FF vehicle.
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I don't know. In game, it (at least theoretically) shouldn't have much, if any wheelspin while stock, since it's a "Quattro", meaning it's all wheel drive. But PD clearly screwed up and made it FF. There are front drive and all wheel drive TTs in reality, but someone made a mistake with programming.
 
Naveek Darkroom
I don't know. In game, it (at least theoretically) shouldn't have much, if any wheelspin while stock, since it's a "Quattro", meaning it's all wheel drive. But PD clearly screwed up and made it FF. There are front drive and all wheel drive TTs in reality, but someone made a mistake with programming.
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Yes, someone really made an mistake with programming. In GT7, PD should put TT as FF vehicle, not 4WD.
 
Someone should check, but I seem to recall the Jaguar XJ220 Road Car being way off the 217MPH top speed in GT3.
 
Harsk100
Yes, someone really made an mistake with programming. In GT7, PD should put TT as FF vehicle, not 4WD.
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Or actually fix the drivetrain issue and PROGRAM it, not just label it as 4WD.

adam46
Someone should check, but I seem to recall the Jaguar XJ220 Road Car being way off the 217MPH top speed in GT3.
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Yeah, it can only go about 200 in game, IIRC.
 
Ahhh...

When Brundle drove it, with catalytic converters disconnected, it hit 217. Standard car did 213.
 
the lancia delta rally car probably has lancia racing instead of martini racing and blacked out logo on livery. it does in gt5 (to remove alcohol sponsorship). there are probably other cigarette/alcohol logos that have been removed.
 
HDT Commodore
the lancia delta rally car probably has lancia racing instead of martini racing and blacked out logo on livery. it does in gt5 (to remove alcohol sponsorship). there are probably other cigarette/alcohol logos that have been removed.
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You're right. Also the plate of the rally is replaced with an dark blue triangle.
 
HDT Commodore
the lancia delta rally car probably has lancia racing instead of martini racing and blacked out logo on livery. it does in gt5 (to remove alcohol sponsorship). there are probably other cigarette/alcohol logos that have been removed.
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How many times I have to say this? Martini is an alcohol brand, and they have to remove that to appease local laws and censors. Adding all of missing alcohol/tobacco logos will only be a nightmare to this list. :rolleyes:

Paging experts @daan or @Famine.
 
tankuroded
How many times I have to say this? Martini is an alcohol brand, and they have to remove that to appease local laws and censors. Adding all of missing alcohol/tobacco logos will only be a nightmare to this list. :rolleyes:

Paging experts @daan or @Famine.
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I know. Harsk wanted to include cars with errors due to licencing, i didn't see how this was different. I didn't even know there were many other alcohol/cigarette sponsors in gt3 cars (probably heaps are minor sponsors and are hard to notice)
 
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Yes! I had to include the cars with errors because there are issues due to an real mistake or an licensing issues.
 
a lot of gt cars have polyphony / gt logos on them. not sure if theyre placed by PD or if they put the car in because they sponsor it.

also, the lister's name i think is actually Lister Storm GT not Lister Storm V12.
 
HDT Commodore
a lot of gt cars have polyphony / gt logos on them. not sure if theyre placed by PD or if they put the car in because they sponsor it.

also, the lister's name i think is actually Lister Storm GT not Lister Storm V12.
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The PD's 001 and 002 were made because they didn't had permission to put real F1 cars in GT3. For example: F094/S= Ayrton Senna's Williams FW16.
 
Harsk100
The PD's 001 and 002 were made because they didn't had permission to put real F1 cars in GT3. For example: F094/S= Ayrton Senna's Williams FW16.
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The Polyphony001 isn't completely phony. It's in fact the F094/S, which like you said is the Williams FW16. The Polyphony002 is the F688/S, which is the McLaren MP4/4.
 

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