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BadFlounder
I love Mik’s Personality just like everyone else, but I’m sorry.....you just can’t let up like that. I just don’t understand that mentality. Finish within 5 seconds and he would have won the event. But by letting up he cost himself the event, and that’s on him. I won’t defend Fraga’s behavior, but TBF he was penalized for it. I just can’t understand Mik letting up out of frustration. This has always been the struggle for him it seems.....just a tiny bit of frustration in some critical moments, etc. The margin for error is so tiny at that level. I can’t even imagine how stressful it is for these guys. Everyone handles pressure differently. Obviously Mik has the pace. I hope to see him on the top step soon. But the blame here isn’t all on Fraga IMHO. Just my two cents.
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Because he knew no matter what he did, Froga would defend by any means necessary, break every last rule and get away with it. Hizal had zero chance.
 
queleuleu
We shouldn't be too harsh with Hizal. At the end, he's just a young student playing racing games. Just imagine for a second the pressure and frustration during this race. Fraga actually deals with pressure every week with his real races and real race car. Now, all these GT events looks cool and all, but a damage system is essential at this point, too much ping pong races.
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Fraga deals with the real life racing pressure with a nice bit of financial support from Polyphony themselves, also wonder why he's repping Toyota and not McLaren in Manufacturers in future events? ;):lol:

Complete conflict of interest to have 1 competitor given extra support by the organisers
 
I'm gonna go ahead and assume that Nations is not worth watching because the race quality of these top guys was total ****. Shame, really. Igor shouldn't have won.
 
zzz_pt
This post is stupid.



He didn't give up. He tried to pass cleanly 3 times. One of them Igor let him pass on T1 to get the slipstream (which is ridiculous strong BTW). Second time, Igor lifts mid eau rouge, leading to Hizal almost losing his car. 3 time, on the outside, door closed (on the limit of the rules but IRL could lead to what happened between Rosberg and Lewis a few years back).

Hizal was risking getting smashed into a wall because Igor was bent of driving dirty.

The penalty should have been awarded within 1 lap of the incident. That would make everything transparent and fair.
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Nope. The easy push back on your take is the fact that all he had to do was stay on his back bumper the whole race and not try to pass. Then with the penalty, he wins (if he was that worried about trying to overtake). I mean shouldn’t he have done that just in case Fraga makes a mistake anyway? But he let up, and that cost him. Pretty clear to see that IMHO.
 
BadFlounder
Gotcha. yeah I did see that on the post show, although TBH I am not sure that I believe that. I’d like to see the data. It looked like during the race itself he kind of threw his hands up out of frustration. Just my impression. If it truly was a fuel issue then what is the complaining about? If that was the issue then he would have been 2nd no matter what, correct?
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This is just my theory, but assuming he had passed Fraga earlier, he could put the fuel trim down and relied on the grip of the softs to manage a gap until the end. But all the fighting with Fraga probably killed his tires, and he probably used more fuel than he would have liked. Assuming he made a pass for the lead a lap or two later, he might not have had enough to finish the race, so he decided to conserve fuel to salvage a 2nd place finish.
Again, this is just a theory.
 
BadFlounder
Nope. The easy push back on your take is the fact that all he had to do was stay on his back bumper the whole race and not try to pass. Then with the penalty, he wins. But he let up, and that cost him. Pretty clear to see that IMHO.
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Saw what happened when he did that, right? Also there was no info on the screen about the incident being under investigation (that I know of), which would probably make Hizal push. In his mind, the dirty move wasn't going to be penalized and he settled for second. Can't blame him.
 
You are missing the point. He let up, and there is no excuse around that. Period. Penalty wasn’t known, yes, but what if Fraga had gone wide and left himself open for a move? Hizal was nowhere to be found. I can’t defend that kind of behavior. I’m not defending Fraga’s behavior here. I thought it was bush league, but there is blame on both sides here IMHO.
 
TetsuKobura
I'm gonna go ahead and assume that Nations is not worth watching because the race quality of these top guys was total ****. Shame, really. Igor shouldn't have won.
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I thought the Semi Finals were fine and the Reperchage absolutely insane - the Grand Final was where things started to go downhill...
 
Arkseven
Don't treat Hizal as the victim here.

Everyone knows what Igor did. It's wrong, of course.

If Hizal could keep his head cool and wait for the stewards decision, he would won that. But noooo... he literally stop racing. Like, really? How much salt do you have on your head to act like that?

Again, what Igor did is wrong. But what Hizal did is plain stupid.
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No, Hizal did the smart thing. There was no getting past dirty Froga and his steward goons and trying more would’ve just made him angrier. So he backed off instead of there being a fist fight on the podium.
 
Sander 001
Because he knew no matter what he did, Froga would defend by any means necessary, break every last rule and get away with it. Hizal had zero chance.
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So you just quit trying? That’s the answer? That is exactly the part I don’t get. Play dirty back if you need to. But just accept your fate and finish a distant 2nd? Sorry, I don’t understand that mentality from one of the very best racers at the event.

EDIT: I know Hizal says it was a fuel thing, but I just don’t buy that based on what I saw during the live event. If the data shows otherwise, I’ll gladly eat my words on this point.
 
Congrats to Igor Fraga for winning again , my driver of the day Takuma Miyazono who would've been on the podium if it wasen't for a certain someone... and to everyone who raced today.
My opinion of the event
The first race with the EF7 was really nice to kick of the event.
The second race... ugh Group B has became the whatever whenever category and i don't think it should be used in road track its obvious the drivers don't feel at home with them resulting at the race getting a bit messy .
And speaking of messy a note for the feature PD do not i repeat do not do a repechage race on an oval again because 1. Its a sudden death race or even a gambling race not fitting to decide the "fate" of the competitors in such important event 2. Its getting pretty messy (i use that word a lot today aren't i? ) not a good look for the viewers .
As for the final it was pretty nice racing Miyazono being the wild card until someone decided to be a sore loser (if such language isen't allowed i will edit the post) ehen now about that someone i read the things latkovski had done so i aware of his bad reputation however now i saw it with my own eyes ... if i was Kaz i would of banned him from world tours maybe indefinitely he is not the kind of guy you want to represent your brand when you want to be taken seriously and that could have been avoided if we had some sort of damage just saying.
So for my first nations cup as a viewer it was nice with a bad taste in the end.
The little details
Some pretty nice camera views , graphics etc that could benefit league racing , is it me or some cars sounded a bit different? (EF7 and Focus GR.B) , i noticed the focus GR.B had the livery from the Ford Escort WRC are this livery exclusive to the events? , whats up with David Parrel? , and And "group X extreme cars" is the 🤬 I3 extreme ? :banghead: .
 
BadFlounder
You are missing the point. He let up, and there is no excuse around that. Period. Penalty wasn’t known, yes, but what if Fraga had gone wide and left himself open for a move? Hizal was nowhere to be found. I can’t defend that kind of behavior. I’m not defending Fraga’s behavior here. I thought it was bush league, but there is blame on both sides here IMHO.
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Fraga already nearly took him out with dangerous driving. Why would he stay within distance when Fraga could take him out of the race altogether, Fraga is already confirmed for Monaco so what does he have to lose? He can just gatekeep others now.
 
meekrab
Drivers who would do something like that don't tend to make it to series where you can run 300 kph, but I imagine a black flag, broken nose, and the unemployment line would be the result.
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As I said before. Lewis Hamilton did exactly the same to Vettel at the 2017 Belgian GP and admitted it afterwards. It was seen as a smart move by him then.
 
mthomas_95
Fraga deals with the real life racing pressure with a nice bit of financial support from Polyphony themselves, also wonder why he's repping Toyota and not McLaren in Manufacturers in future events? ;):lol:

Complete conflict of interest to have 1 competitor given extra support by the organisers
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I see what you mean. Fraga seems to be a cool guy but I would never let compete a guy who actually races in real life. It's the opposite of the FIA GT championship and I'm surprised that Poly is ok with that.
Too much drama for virtual races. I just want to drive a Mitsubishi GTO at Grand Valley Speedway like any casual gamer.
 
snowgt
That 5s penalty is ridiculous when they knew Hizal was just over 5s back.

So, basically they're saying Fraga got the win through illegally blocking Hizal, but they award him the win anyway.

Great precedent!
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A 5 second penalty was perfectly justified. If there where repeated offences, sure, penalise him more. But it was a one off.

The sim racing community needs to wise up to tactics and gamesmanship. Not every piece of contact or dubious move should be punished.

Hizal had 3 laps with a quicker car. He should’ve composed himself and gone for the win. Worst case he should’ve stayed within touching distance and argued his case post race.

The lesson is never give up.
 
Jantopanto
As I said before. Lewis Hamilton did exactly the same to Vettel at the 2017 Belgian GP and admitted it afterwards. It was seen as a smart move by him then.
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I don't like Hamilton but he lifted a bit before Eau Rouge, he didn't get off the throttle for a full second through the middle of Radillon. In real life, even if he didn't cause a serious accident, he would've defo gotten a race ban and like 10 points on his license.
But Hizal shouldn't have given up so that's on him.

On another note, what about that Indy at Pocono-like race in the Repechage? That is simultaneously, the stupidest, and the best idea for a race possible...
 
Did everyone go crazy or am I blind? If the incident happened on lap 16, the only thing I see is Fraga slowing down to let Hizal go right after the La Source turn. When Eau Rouge comes ahead, Hizal was already ahead of Fraga with a clear track in front? How did Fraga's supposed lifting at Eau Rouge affected Hizal, honestly?

From what I've seen, thought the 5 sec penalty was not deserved. Igor is a pro and that was a beautiful move. As for Cody, I'm ok with him being a bit cocky and arrogant, but jesus christ, what he did to Miyazono (what a genius, btw. Was rooting for him) was ugly.

Regardless of what happened and who's right, Igor's mentality is a strength. Hizal is clearly in disadvantage in this aspect.

Miyazono is my Michelin Driver of the Day. Congrats to everyone that raced today, it was a very entertaining to watch as always!
 
The 'running out of fuel' story looks a bit weak after looking at both car's fuel gauges. Pretty equal up to the point he starts to fall back...

Have we seen the death of the 'Smooth Operator' and the birth of Mikail 'nomoremister:censored:ingniceguy' Hizal? Makes me glad I'm not in the top split. Good luck up there!:D
 
khkenni
The fact that they showed Fraga lifting to block Mikail, and then afterwards Fraga saying he did it on purpose but didn't mean for it to be that bad.. Just a Joke that Fraga goes with the win here.
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The main investigator is Latkovsky. Are you kidding me? lol
 
MrBrunoA
Did everyone go crazy or am I blind? If the incident happened on lap 16, the only thing I see is Fraga slowing down to let Hizal go right after the La Source turn. When Eau Rouge comes ahead, Hizal was already ahead of Fraga with a clear track in front? How did Fraga's supposed lifting at Eau Rouge affected Hizal, honestly?

From what I've seen, thought the 5 sec penalty was not deserved. Igor is a pro and that was a beautiful move. As for Cody, I'm ok with him being a bit cocky and arrogant, but jesus christ, what he did to Miyazono (what a genius, btw. Was rooting for him) was ugly.

Regardless of what happened and who's right, Igor's mentality is a strength. Hizal is clearly in disadvantage in this aspect.

Miyazono is my Michelin Driver of the Day. Congrats to everyone that raced today, it was a very entertaining to watch as always!
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The lift came later.
 

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