Lost: Season 6 - Thread contains spoilers.

[FoolKiller]

so who killed laura palmer, anyway?

Bob

 

[RUI]

Bob

Oops! Guess I lost that one too.

 

[Lucas]

Beautiful episode. I couldn't help but crying at the end.

 

[livemusic]

I found the "remembering" moments more touching than the end.

Edit: Alternate ending:

 

[Ibonibo]

Just to clear this up, because I am not sure how you meant this: The island is not some form of afterlife. The island is real. Only the alternate reality is part of an afterlife.

that i knew, what i want to say is that in one season , the cast make this hypothesis. I think it is where they play golf analucia is shot,...

Only in the alternate reality are they dead, because that is the afterlife. And there they are all dead because, as Christian explains, it is free of time, so there is no one technically still alive at that point. Those not in the church were either not overly important to each other, so as to be a part of their moving on, or they were not quite ready to move on yet because they needed to deal with some of their issues, like Ben and Ana Lucia.
yes i rewatched that scene to really understand it.

They explained the alternate reality: It is the afterlife, a sort of purgatory. The explanation of the time travel is not 100% clear, however the island as a whole is not explained. The reason for that is that the story was never about the island. It was about the characters.
For me this is only particialy true until season 3. After that the scientist came to the island and a lot of storytelling was about the island. I know that the main pillar is protagonist centric, but the whole story was also based on the island... that's my 2 cents, and who knows maybe the island returns with new people. LOST 2: The Hurley Initative

Because in life she killed her own son. She isn't ready to move on yet and needs Daniel in order to reach that point.
But she isn't dead yet or is she??

The story of these characters is concluded. That was the story we were being told.


Nearly all major religions have some form of purgatory-like belief. The church they were in had six different religious symbols on the stained-glass window, signifying a spiritual afterlife not constrained to any one belief.
good spotting 👍 , representing it like it really is

As for the role of the alternate reality being an afterlife, the clues were always there. Sawyer and Miles seemed like some TV cliche cops. Sun was shot just over a day after the plane landed, but Sayid did the shooting days after he landed. And then Sun was rushed into the ER as Locke was just going in for his surgery, after he had enough time to get fired, meet Hurley, get a substitute teaching job, and teach enough classes to be well liked by students. The time lines are all off and cliches were in place wherever someone was playing a role they had no real experience with. Even I suspected mid-season that the alternate reality wasn't real, but I thought it was a creation by Jacob.
Again good spotting that it is not coherrant in time. Also true that in this season all clues lead to the AR being After life. But the end of season 5 was leading more to a different time string (AR)than an afterlife, But it's all from memory so i can really rely on that

I didn't notice it so I can't comment on it.


As I pointed out earlier, the AR was timeless. No date or time was ever given for the AR. Because the plane landed we assumed it was 2004, but that was never stated. In the AR Hurley and Ben are dead. Christian says as much when he explains that some of them died a very long time after Jack.
Ok now Linus said in an interview that on the dvd there would be an epilogie (15min.) telling hurley and linus story after Jack died



One thing I like to point out to people who aren't happy with just having the characters' stories finished up: If this ending were given to us at any time during season 1, maybe even season 2, would you still feel ripped off? at that time there was no giant mythology surrounding everything. It was a story about some people stuck on an island that seemed to be slightly abnormal. It was a character-driven story about how people deal with these unusual situations. That story has been fully concluded. The story of the island began long before this story. Judging by the statue and wall symbols I would guess that it began as much as 3,000 years before Jacob was born, possibly even further back. In fact, if you want my take on what the island is, I think it is where life began on Earth. It is much older than even the Egyptian symbolism, but Egyptians discovered it and recognized it for what it is. So, they created temples and protections around it. This would explain the statute a Tawaret, the goddess of childbirth and fertility.

But hey, that's just my take. 👍👍

I'm somewhat disappointed by the ending. I was really liking the episode up until the church part, and the explanation of what the AR was. It was a bit confusing too but reading the comments in this thread made it clearer for me. Still, it wasn't the ending I was hoping for.

Ahhh i'm not alone.

Bob

Is this 24?? Palmer??

I found the "remembering" moments more touching than the end.Me too, and the ending (church) was a bit to short to really have a good explination (watched it again and now it's better)

Edit: Alternate ending:

That probably would explain a lot of the wierd stuff on the island. dog thoughts. The whole thing was a dream from a dog . HAHAH made me laugh

Where is the owner of the dog (micheal?) Why didn't we see him?? Denied from heaven?? And where is Vincent. Com'on everybody loved him!!

NB : none of the children died!! Araon,Micheals son, Sun's girl

And why is Ben with the people. Didn't he tryed for seasons to kill and extort them?

 

[astrosdude91]

I think the reason why some people weren't in the church was because their souls are still on the island, this is for sure the case with Michael.

 

[FoolKiller]

For me this is only particialy true until season 3. After that the scientist came to the island and a lot of storytelling was about the island. I know that the main pillar is protagonist centric, but the whole story was also based on the island... that's my 2 cents

This was a shoddy piece of storytelling. You see them try to fix it and direct the mythology toward Jacob, but they had gone too far for us to not have many questions. The biggest issue I have is that with their loose ends they basically said, "This is the story we are telling, and that's all you are getting." While that is legitimate, their storytelling drifted off on tangents like a five-year-old talking about his day at school.

But she isn't dead yet or is she??

Yes, in the AR everyone is dead.

Is this 24?? Palmer??

Laura Palmer's death was the great mystery that drove the story forward on Twin Peaks. Lost is often seen as this decade's Twin Peaks because of how that show dealt with alternate realms and evil beings. There was originally a Twin Peaks film featuring the last seven days of Laura Palmer's life. The show began with the discovery of her body and followed the story of the detective trying to find her killer.

Where is the owner of the dog (micheal?) Why didn't we see him?? Denied from heaven??

Actually, yes. He became one of the spirits stuck on the island that went around whispering sweet nothings in everyone's ears. He explained that when Hurley saw his ghost/spirit/whatever, but he was short on time and stopped Hurley from asking more questions.

And where is Vincent. Com'on everybody loved him!!

My biggest disappointment. I am telling myself that all dogs do go to heaven and he just didn't need the purgatory to move on. He and Walt both passed on without the need of crazy town.

NB : none of the children died!! Araon,Micheals son, Sun's girl

Aaron was, sort of, there, as he was born. And Sun was pregnant, so Jeong was sort of there too.

But I didn't see Aaron in the church scene. Hmm, maybe they are innocents and move on without needing the purgatory? Or they have their own adult lives that don't rely on these main characters enough to be part of their afterlife. Remember, Christian said it was a place they all created so they could find each other. The children didn't need to find these people before moving on, I guess.

And why is Ben with the people. Didn't he tryed for seasons to kill and extort them?

Because Ben was being lied to by the MIB posing as Jacob. He was a good man at heart and was willing to aid anyone that would just be honest with him, which is why he was happy with Hurley. His only outright murder of his own free will (without manipulation), that I can remember, was Charles Widmore, and that was a revenge killing. Even then, it could be argued that Locke had manipulated Ben's emotions to make him want to kill Widmore.

 

[livemusic]

So, Christian on the island was MiB. What about that time Jack saw his father on the hospital, was that MiB too? Did he get out of the island then? And what was the problem with him getting out of the island? What would happen if he did?

 

[Neal]

Aaron was, sort of, there, as he was born. And Sun was pregnant, so Jeong was sort of there too.

But I didn't see Aaron in the church scene. Hmm, maybe they are innocents and move on without needing the purgatory? Or they have their own adult lives that don't rely on these main characters enough to be part of their afterlife. Remember, Christian said it was a place they all created so they could find each other. The children didn't need to find these people before moving on, I guess.

Aaron was definietly in the church scene as a new(ish) born baby, only briefly but I remember seeing him in Claire's arms.

 

[FoolKiller]

So, Christian on the island was MiB. What about that time Jack saw his father on the hospital, was that MiB too?

I'm having trouble recalling the situation. What season was that in?

Did he get out of the island then? And what was the problem with him getting out of the island? What would happen if he did?

The only way he could leave is if he destroyed the island first, so very bad things.

 

[livemusic]

I'm having trouble recalling the situation. What season was that in?

I think it was in a flashforward of Jack. He was at the hospital and heard the smoke alarm (wink, wink) beeping at the other room, so he went to check it and his father was there. Then someone interrupts him and his father dissapears.

The only way he could leave is if he destroyed the island first, so very bad things.

I got the impression he needed to become mortal to be able to leave the island, and that happened when Desmond moved the stone. The island sinking seemed just like a bonus to him.

 

[astrosdude91]

How many of these questions can you guys try to explain?

 

[FoolKiller]

I think it was in a flashforward of Jack. He was at the hospital and heard the smoke alarm (wink, wink) beeping at the other room, so he went to check it and his father was there. Then someone interrupts him and his father dissapears.

Was that when he was drunk and on drugs a lot? It could be a plot hole, but the writers would likely write it off as Jack has daddy issues and wasn't emotionally stable when he got back to LA.

I got the impression he needed to become mortal to be able to leave the island, and that happened when Desmond moved the stone. The island sinking seemed just like a bonus to him.

He did not know that. Remember how he looked surprised when Jack punched him and he started bleeding, and Jack told him he was wrong too? I believe he was ready to go wreak some smokey havoc on the rest of civilization.

How many of these questions can you guys try to explain?

I'll watch it later, when I have more time.

Chances are most will just be a guess.

 

[astrosdude91]

I discovered the other day that the entire series of Lost is on ABC.com. I've started watching the series from the start. It's cool because there are things that you can already piece together if you've seen the series all the way through. Though, it was kind of difficult to get through the Boone backstory, just because it's so akward to see him make out and sleep with his step sister, Shannon.

 

[gtone339]

you guys watch seanieb lsot secrets and recap videos on youtube?

 

[astrosdude91]

Pardon the thread revive, but...

Lost Season Six comes out on DVD and Blu-Ray in one week. There will also be a Complete Series package avaliable. There will be bonus footage about what happened with Hurley and Ben after the finale. It has something to do with Ben going around and shutting down the old Dharma stations. It should also explain some more loose ends. Should be interesting! Does anyone else plan on getting one of these?

 

[a6m5]

I've followed the series from the day one, unlike most fans, I thought the series actually redeemed itself in the end. I was of the opinion that ABC milked the series too long, and I still feel the same way. However, while the ending wasn't the greatest I ever saw, it certainly was more than "satisfactory". It is kind of confusing at first, but far from impossible.

Just like how I was hooked on the show from the start, I also became a big fan of Jack since the beginning. I said that show redeemed itself in the end, I thought Jack character picked up as the show itself picked up during the final episodes. Very happy about that. 👍

I think the only part they didn't clearly explain was the mystery about the special features of the island. The exact effects to the rest of the world, the beginning, etc. SPOILER When they showed "the" wreckage in the end, for second, I thought the creator of the show were trying to tell us that characters were dead the whole time. But you think back the next second, it's clear that is not the case. I can start listing the proofs, but there are millions of them. I guess the alternate world was a mysterious one, but that one's sort of "supernatural", our science can't really explain. Time doesn't exist there. All the characters did die in different times, but their spirits sort of pooled in this world, and united there.

The final season was too frigging sad. As far as how serious your favorite TV shows can get, it was a pretty devastating experience. But that just goes to prove to me that creators of Lost did a heck of job selling me the characters. If I didn't feel so much about them, I wouldn't have been so intrigued the last few episodes.

I thought I sort of knew where the show was headed around Season Two, I was wrong. Dharma ended up being just a chapter of a much longer story. I think Lost is back on as my favorite TV series again. I will miss buying the Blu-rays, every year(stopped following on air during the first season).