Magyar Nagydij – 2006

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miss_schu
Thanks to BMW for handing Michael and Ferrari a much needed Championship point :) Yay, at least Ferrari come away with a point! How does this come about anyway?
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Kubica's car weighed in too low by 2kg's. He finished seventh, so Felipe was bumped to 7th and Michael to 8th.

miss_schu
Pupik: I stand as one of the accused for spoiling! My apologies! I just couldn't contain myself even though I knew that it was bad and was looked down upon in here! I have noticed that spoiling has been going on a bit in previous F1 GP race threads! But anyway, next race/s, I will make sure not to make this mistake again! But in saying that, somebody is always bound to give away the results etc, so there is really no getting away from it unless you make sure to watch the race first, so that you won't be disappointed!
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You can post spoilers in GP threads, but not in thread titles.
 
All I can say about that race is WOW :crazy: that was fun hehe. I thought ferrari was just screwed through most of the race, if Alonso had won it with Schumi finishing where he did then I don't really see how they could have caught back up in the championship (without a miracle) but when Alonso's wheel lug fell off I I went :eek: and then again when Michael dropped out :indiff: But I really don't see why Alonso risked it on the dry tires, he could have just stayed on intermediates and finished easily in the top 2 :ouch:
 
Korndawg
But I really don't see why Alonso risked it on the dry tires, he could have just stayed on intermediates and finished easily in the top 2 :ouch:
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He probably wanted to retake 1st place with a new set of tires. There really wasn't any risk, because the track was drying up.
 
Yeah good point, the line was dried up nicely, however all it would take is one mistake and he'd be offline sliding all over the place. I think it was pretty funny seeing him (and anyone else for that matter) sliding across the track when they first came out of the pit lane realising the car wouldn't turn :lol:
 
i found this render in lfsforums :) by speedykev
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:lol: I can picture something like that happening considering how excited he is/was :lol:

JB: "Yes! Yes! Everyone look at me! I WON! That's right, in your face Michael!" :p
 
What a fantastic race!!!! There I was, up at 11 at night with my bowl of popcorn expecting this to be awful and murderously boring to watch. But all of a sudden, rain started falling, cars started spinning and who won? Not Alonso, Not Schumacher, No not even Raikkonen. Jenson Button!!! Probably the most exciting grand prix I have ever watched, I went to sleep red-eyed and very knackered. But very satisfied with the best race of the year. :)
 
YAY!

Righty, so I'm hella-late, but I've just got back from a week deprived of both computers and televisions (but not magazines - damn the guy who showed me the cover of Autosport on Thursday :grumpy:) and have only just watched the race. And what a race! I haven't felt like that watching the finish of a Grand Prix since Damon Hill won in 1998. Well done Jenson!

Poor Kubica, but still a great drive. I hope he keeps his seat for the rest of the season.

Sucks to be Midland. MS retires, but still beats Monterio to the final point.

Business as usual in Istanbul I suspect, with either Schumacher or Alonso dominating.
 
Istanbul will be a sucker for all cars with realiability issues.

It'll be Hot Hot Hot.

Good drive by Jenson, brilliant race which is surprising as Hungary is normally very boring.
 
kylehnat
Yes, but what track is good for overtaking?
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Spa-Francorchamps has at least three overtaking areas (Bus Stop, Le Combes, La Source), sometimes you can make a move before the Le Fagnes esses. (Too bad the pits weren't good enough for the FIA this year...what was so wrong with them last year?)

Most tracks have two prime spots, but some places like Hungary, Indy, and Magny-Cours have only one realistic overtaking spot.
 
Silverstone aswell, there is 4 or 5 places to overtake, maybe 6 if they try hard. Actually now that I think about it, the only place they cant overtake on this track is through the twisties after turn one and through the slow bit that leads on to the pit straight.
 
Korndawg
All I can say about that race is WOW :crazy: that was fun hehe. I thought ferrari was just screwed through most of the race, if Alonso had won it with Schumi finishing where he did then I don't really see how they could have caught back up in the championship (without a miracle) but when Alonso's wheel lug fell off I I went :eek: and then again when Michael dropped out :indiff: But I really don't see why Alonso risked it on the dry tires, he could have just stayed on intermediates and finished easily in the top 2 :ouch:
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1: it wasn't a wheel lug/nut.. it was a piece of his diff

2: alonso risked it cause he's a racer at heart, not by occupation. just like kimi at nurburgring in 2005. a real racer puts everything on the line for the win, 2nd is never good enough ;)
 
Then how could it have come out of his wheel?
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it didn't come out of his wheel, it only appeared to come out because of the camera angle - if you listened to James Allen after the pit lane guy went to Renault to speak about it, 'Allen' was giving his appoligies to the Renault pitcrew because he had been blaming it on the right-rear wheel changer.

Renault reported that they had a mechanical failure with the differential - earlier in the race Alonso had slowed on the second last turn which was not reported back to the pit crew, so nobody knew there was a problem - when Renault checked the telemetry after the race they found that at the time Alonso had suffered a slight hyrdolic failure which automatically fixed itself when he pressed the clutch. Later when he pitted the diff failed because while in the pits Alonso had the clutch open for at least the time of the car being stationery... about 6-7 seconds. This caused hydrolic pressure to build up, and when he released the pit lane speed limiter the diff chucked its guts, only finally disessembling completly 2 turns later.

But it's better than 4th or 5th and VERY important when you're in a tight championship.
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True, but as i said, a REAL racer only focuses on the win, this is why drivers like Hakkinen took so long to become champion in their career. They were too conservative and looked to finish. Finishing races is for rookies, putting your championship on the line for a win is what a real racing driver does. Think about it, if Alonso had scored 10 points and Schumacher 1, that's Schumachers season over. Alonso would know this, and it would be the only thing in his mind - get the job done before it gets too late. :sly:
 
Michael Schumacher for the win in Turkey, go Schumi and good luck for the rest of the Championship!

This site rules, see you when I see you next time GTP!

MS
 
Der Meister
True, but as i said, a REAL racer only focuses on the win, this is why drivers like Hakkinen took so long to become champion in their career. They were too conservative and looked to finish. Finishing races is for rookies, putting your championship on the line for a win is what a real racing driver does. Think about it, if Alonso had scored 10 points and Schumacher 1, that's Schumachers season over. Alonso would know this, and it would be the only thing in his mind - get the job done before it gets too late. :sly:
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Sorry but I can't agree with that at all, a true racer knows when its right to push for a win and when its right to go for the points.

Its totally pointless to try and close an impossiable gap just to gain a few extra points when the result may be to throw away th eentire race.

In this weekends Rally Finland Seb Loeb got it spot on (yes its the WRC - but it does illustrate the point), during the first day and part of the second day he was around 18 seconds behind Gronholm and fighting hard to beat him on every stage.

However following a puncture midway through the second day Loeb dropped to around a minute behind Gronholm, but still in second place. Now had he kept fighting to beat Gronholm the chances are he would have put the car off the road and thrown away 8 points for second place. Instead he did what he needed to do and consolidated his second place.

The end result in the championship is that following Finland Loeb only let Gronholm close the gap in championship points by two, rather than ten.

Would you care to say that Loeb is not a true racer? After all he only holds the joint record for the most WRC rally wins ever.

Going for the win regardless of the cost is what you do if you have nothing to lose, if you are fighting for a championship (and the best drivers normally are) then you have to keep that in mind as well.

Regards

Scaff
 
I disagree there! A true racer aims to be the fastest on every lap/stage, irrespective of anything else. Gilles Villeneuve was a true racer. He never settled for anything less than first. If he was 2nd, he went for first. If he was 14th, he went for first. Loeb, and Prost for example, are not true racers. A true racer is a dying breed. I don't think there's many of them around these days. Gigi Galli strikes me as a true racer though.

Flat out all the way.
 
Gabkicks
as ricky bobby says.. "if you're not first... you're last"




note sarcasm :p
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LOL

And as the other old saying goes "to finish first, first you have to finish"

Re-read my post carefully guys, I'm saying a true racer know when to push for the win, and when a win is impossiable.

Regards

Scaff
 
Scaff
Re-read my post carefully guys, I'm saying a true racer know when to push for the win, and when a win is impossiable.
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I know what you're saying but that, to me, is not a true racer. Settling for a position other than first, is something a true racer will never do. Even when they get first, they are still pushing, risking going off. A true racer pushes every lap, irrespective of what position they are in. A true racer is going to have a hard time winning a championship for that very reason though.
 
I agree with Daan, when you race, you race to win, if you arnt racing to win then you arnt racing your just driving around.
 

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