Manual or Auto

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I general play racing games in Auto, but the realism of GT5P makes me want to give Manual a crack!

Has anyone (who has the JPN version) been playing in manual using the Six-Axis? If so, what do you use for gear change.

Do you use the shoulder buttons for Throttle AND gear change (if so, which buttons do you use for each), or do you use the thumbstick for gears.

At the end of the day, other than realism, is there any advantage going manual?

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Using manual gives you a bit better control, you can downshift and use the engine braking to slow the car along with the brakes. In GT4 you used the analog stick for gas and brake and the L1/2 buttons to shift, if I remember correctly. Not sure how this SixaXis will work since the L2/1 buttons are now used for gas and brake. I'm sure we can configure our own layout. I may go with the square and circle buttons as downshift and up shift, L2 and L1 as gas and brake, X as the Ebrake, and triangle to change views.
 
ChadSpeed
Using manual gives you a bit better control, you can downshift and use the engine braking to slow the car along with the brakes. In GT4 you used the analog stick for gas and brake and the L1/2 buttons to shift, if I remember correctly. Not sure how this SixaXis will work since the L2/1 buttons are now used for gas and brake. I'm sure we can configure our own layout. I may go with the square and circle buttons as downshift and up shift, L2 and L1 as gas and brake, X as the Ebrake, and triangle to change views.
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They are fully configureable in the JP GT5 Prologue, so I can't see why the NA/PAL versions will be any different.

I use the L2/R2 buttons for braking and acceleration, Square for upshift, X for downshift, Circle for E-brake and Triange for reverse. Configuring Triange for view change isn't a bad idea though.
 
G.T
They are fully configureable in the JP GT5 Prologue, so I can't see why the NA/PAL versions will be any different.

I use the L2/R2 buttons for braking and acceleration, Square for upshift, X for downshift, Circle for E-brake and Triange for reverse. Configuring Triange for view change isn't a bad idea though.
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I use a wheel, but I wonder, how is the L2 and R2 triggers.. are they fully sensitive?
 
A wheel and pedals are definitely better for precison, but the triggers aren't too bad... You tap them a little and you get a little throttle, but the issue is when you press them just over 1/2 the way down it's full throttle, so it's harder to be precise. Not comparing the game to Forza 2 or PGR3/4 here but both the games had the triggers worked out better - 100% pushed down and you had 100% throttle and brake, 50% pressed you had half throttle and brake, etc. Hopefully it's just a software tweak PD can adjust, or even lets the user adjust.
 
I would definitely recommend you getting used to manual. I guess downshifting while braking will be the hardest part, but it will give more control and you'll find braking much shorter and more controlled and changing up early in some cars is faster, or leaving it in a higher gear can be beneficial sometimes, like 3rd gear or it can give more stable feel, more traction at certain times. Once you get used to it you'll wonder why you didn't sooner and enjoy the game more.

I use R2 trigger to accelerate, I find it much better than the X button, it gives much more throttle control needed for the powerful cars or power out of corners, unless your a demon the the pressure sensitive X button. L2 to down shift, X to upshift and square to brake. I'm getting a wheel soon but this set up is pretty good. I'd like more control on the brake but I didn't like it on L2 or the right stick.
 
G.T
A wheel and pedals are definitely better for precison, but the triggers aren't too bad... You tap them a little and you get a little throttle, but the issue is when you press them just over 1/2 the way down it's full throttle, so it's harder to be precise. Not comparing the game to Forza 2 or PGR3/4 here but both the games had the triggers worked out better - 100% pushed down and you had 100% throttle and brake, 50% pressed you had half throttle and brake, etc. Hopefully it's just a software tweak PD can adjust, or even lets the user adjust.
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I don't find that with the trigger. I can put it 3,4,5,6,6500, rpm, full throttle easily.
 
ChadSpeed
Using manual gives you a bit better control, you can downshift and use the engine braking to slow the car along with the brakes. In GT4 you used the analog stick for gas and brake and the L1/2 buttons to shift, if I remember correctly. Not sure how this SixaXis will work since the L2/1 buttons are now used for gas and brake. I'm sure we can configure our own layout. I may go with the square and circle buttons as downshift and up shift, L2 and L1 as gas and brake, X as the Ebrake, and triangle to change views.
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Engine braking doesn't do anything if you're already braking hard. It just helps with getting into the right gear before you have to accelerate. That's the only reason you downshift while slowing down.
 
ChadSpeed pretty much nailed most of the reasons why manual will give you a better advantage, so I'll just chime in and offer my Sixaxis controller layout.

I use R2 to upshift, R1 to downshift, X for gas, Square for brake, Circle for e-brake, Triangle for reverse, D-pad for steering (I am not precise with the sticks). With this setup, I can roll my thumb easily to the gas or brakes as needed. My hand tightens around the controller when downshifting, effectively bending my thumb simultaneously for ease of braking. Also, forcing my right (dominant) hand to do most of the quick work enables me to be more precise with my left as it only has one responsibility.
 
Perfect Balance
Engine braking doesn't do anything if you're already braking hard. It just helps with getting into the right gear before you have to accelerate. That's the only reason you downshift while slowing down.
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Have you ever driven a manual car? Engine braking is extremely useful.


And the answer to the original question is that it should be the same as in real life: Manual or nothing.
 
Gish91
Have you ever driven a manual car? Engine braking is extremely useful.


And the answer to the original question is that it should be the same as in real life: Manual or nothing.
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I own a manual car. When braking while racing, you're always at the tire threshold (or should be to get the most out of your tires). The brakes are capable of more than that by themselves. I heel-toe all my down shifts, and the only reason is so that I can get down to the proper gear for the corner smoothly without upsetting the balance of the car. The point of down shifting during braking isn't to help slow the car down, that's not necessary.
 
I use L3 for steering and R3 for throttle/brake. Since L3/R3 are analogue, you can steer half lock and half throttle/brake. And I prefer R1 for downshift and R2 for upshift. L1 for rear view and L2 for handbrake.

Don't use the direction pad and button pad because it's too all or nothing.
 
I've been using L2/R2 triggers for accel/brake, R1/L1 for Up/Down the gears. with Left stick steering and O as handbrake and Triangle reverse.

It gives me the best precision in feathering the throttle and better feeling than a pressure sensitive square button when cadence braking. IT does take a bit of training with your hands to play using the 4 shoulder buttons for a prolonged period, but its worth it.

Can someone with the JP version confirm whether you can map shifting to the right stick please?
 
Perfect Balance
I own a manual car. When braking while racing, you're always at the tire threshold (or should be to get the most out of your tires). The brakes are capable of more than that by themselves. I heel-toe all my down shifts, and the only reason is so that I can get down to the proper gear for the corner smoothly without upsetting the balance of the car. The point of down shifting during braking isn't to help slow the car down, that's not necessary.
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QFT, downshifting / heel-toeing goal is to be in the proper gear at the proper RPM to drive through the corner; the brakes brake.


OP, I play GT using MT for the same reason and I posted here, proper gear/RPM to drive through the corner.
 
Perfect Balance
I own a manual car. When braking while racing, you're always at the tire threshold (or should be to get the most out of your tires). The brakes are capable of more than that by themselves. I heel-toe all my down shifts, and the only reason is so that I can get down to the proper gear for the corner smoothly without upsetting the balance of the car. The point of down shifting during braking isn't to help slow the car down, that's not necessary.
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Engine braking can be handy at times you want some extra rear bias in a paticular situation and in a straight line can increase overall stopping power (on a rear wheel drive), otherwise yes in racing brakes are supposed to do the braking.
 
I always race in manual in racing games and couldn't imagine racing with auto gears these days. The six axis isn't great for this game though (especially with manual gears) but I use a G25 on a playseat evo and that works a treat.
 
When playing on AT with 6axis,what is the best advise,when entering a corner as a drifting purpose,to get the maximum slide?Using triangle or Scania flip(as swede's do)?
 
I used the triggers from brake and throttle ... simply because you can use BOTH at the same time ... with the stick as throttle+brake you can't just feather the brake while keeping throttle planted to shave a few mph from speed.

I use the right stick as shifter and left for steering.
 
i never let anyone play me in AUTO. Ever......

You play manual or you don't play at all.

Thats about to got to the next level.

I had a Logitech force feedback but im upgrading to a G25.

I'm a pro at the Ferrari Challenge game with the gated 6 speed so moving to the logitech g25 isn't gonna be to much of a change.

Remember guys... its a simulator.....if you cant do the real thing, go play some crap game like Need for speed underground.
 
Perfect Balance
Engine braking doesn't do anything if you're already braking hard. It just helps with getting into the right gear before you have to accelerate. That's the only reason you downshift while slowing down.
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That's very incorrect, it acts as another brake and keeps the rear wheels from overstearing, especially if you know how to trail brake.
 
GT5 Played with a REAL Manual... G25 or Nothing!
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That G25 looks plastick,is it thick vinul?But it's nice,with the red buttons!Is that left pedal brake,when playing on AT?When playing AT,can you place horn on the padels behind the wheel,if using red buttons to look left and right?Does that help you when doing burnouts?Thx Motominde.'2fast4you'
 
Type_R_
That G25 looks plastick,is it thick vinul?But it's nice,with the red buttons!When playing AT,can you place horn on the padels behind the wheel,if using red buttons to look left and right?Does that help you when doing burnouts?Thx Motominde.'2fast4you'
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Thats High quality plastics, real Leather, And stainless steel. Its rock solid, it will rock your worlds.. Its 900 degrees of steering and one of the best FFBs you can find. It will rock your world and change your Idea in GT5P and PC sim racers.
 
Motominded
That's very incorrect, it acts as another brake and keeps the rear wheels from overstearing, especially if you know how to trail brake.
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If you "know how to trailbrake" you shouldn't be oversteering a lot. That's sort of what happens when you don't trailbrake properly. Trail braking is basically to get the most out of your tires at all times, because if you brake, then turn, there's a gap in between where there's some extra tire grip being wasted. If you make use of it properly, you can grip better, transfer weight smoother and keep it over the turning wheels, turn better, and just overall go faster.


I'm not "very incorrect". Engine braking CAN help with stability in some situations, especially on a rwd car, but that isn't the sole reason people downshift when slowing for a corner, not even the main reason.

If that's the only reason they are downshifting, I'm willing to flat out say they aren't good drivers.

EDIT: You do realize that adding more braking force to the rear wheels (engine braking on a rwd car) makes the chance of oversteering greater?
 
I want a G25 so bad! I have DFP but I got tired of the pedal problems, so I've used the DS2 for GT4 most of the time and Sixaxis for GTHD :/
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6-lIfRhfew

Here's a GTR demo from Breakerohio, you can hear him say that the GT-R wont support the six speed true manual on his Logitech G25, there for he has to use the sequential.

I wonder if this is a trend you'll see for all the cars. Like if they are not available as a Manual in real life, you wont be able to get it.

The part im talking about is at 51 Sec.
 
Type_R_
That G25 looks plastick,is it thick vinul?But it's nice,with the red buttons!Is that left pedal brake,when playing on AT?When playing AT,can you place horn on the padels behind the wheel,if using red buttons to look left and right?Does that help you when doing burnouts?Thx Motominde.'2fast4you'
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Why are you so into playing Auto?
 
From my limited experience, I have found that downshifting (and gear ratios in general) does have an effect on braking. Even when I put new rear end gears in my Thunderbird, I noticed a profound difference in its ability to slow down. Under heavy braking, I guess the effect is very small, unnoticable, or non existant, so maybe in a racing situation you are correct (as I don't have any real life experience with that). The next time I start up GT5P and the next time I drive my dad's 4 speed manual Chevelle, I'm going to test it out some.
 
Perfect Balance
If you "know how to trailbrake" you shouldn't be oversteering a lot. That's sort of what happens when you don't trailbrake properly. Trail braking is basically to get the most out of your tires at all times, because if you brake, then turn, there's a gap in between where there's some extra tire grip being wasted. If you make use of it properly, you can grip better, transfer weight smoother and keep it over the turning wheels, turn better, and just overall go faster.


I'm not "very incorrect". Engine braking CAN help with stability in some situations, especially on a rwd car, but that isn't the sole reason people downshift when slowing for a corner, not even the main reason.

If that's the only reason they are downshifting, I'm willing to flat out say they aren't good drivers.

EDIT: You do realize that adding more braking force to the rear wheels (engine braking on a rwd car) makes the chance of oversteering greater?
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I heel toe downshift #1 to add that extra brake feel, in my STI it never induces oversteer. I guess im going it right.

Also, when im coming out the corner i'm already in the gear i want to be in to power out.
 

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