Maxima???

[8400RPM]

Umm, it was correctly identified as a Legacy in the second post of this thread. Read first.

 

[JohnBM01]

As of this posting, I'm looking to reach 200 posts. But anyhow, I thought this topic was about the Nissan Maxima. I'll get to the "many Lancers and Skylines" issues later.

So to answer that question, I'd like to personally say that I am not a huge Nissan fan. But since I heard that Nissan and Frence make Renault have a deal together, I'm starting to like Nissan. Their new styling has really got me into Nissan. And except for the Datsun Zs, I've never really liked the cars from the 1980s to the early 1990s. But to see a 260hp, rear-drive 2004 Nissan Maxima would be very entertaining. In fact, I'd like to see a Maxima Race Car. It would make a great touring car. I'd like to see it take on the Altezza.

In the case of "50.000 Lancers, but still the same damn car," I think this is a huge rant. I mean, I can recall GT3, with the different Lancers from Evo... maybe 3 or 4, all the way to the Evo 7. There was the Tommi Makkinen edition available with or without stripes. Now, why is there hate about this? Here is my take (as Dave Despain would say). For fans of these Japanese dragons on wheels, there are many variations of the same car. Some people would argue that the Crown Victoria and the Mercury Maurader are the same car. Then maybe the Ford F-150 and the Lincoln Blackwood being the same car. But, many variations of the same car means that you have a capable car with many options. It's called VARIETY. Now the concept of economy cars being raced on is interesting, I'll admit. I mean, maybe with all sports cars, it wouldn't allow people to race thier daily driver in a game.

Anyhow, back to variety. I think more cars of the same type makes for better oppurtunities to own that same car. A shining example is the Lancer from 2001. Even though it was FWD with low horsepower, at least you can own a Lancer (personally, I hate that one). I wanted to use a female fashion example to talk about variety, but ran out of ideas. But anyhow, all those Lancers give you a chance to own an already capable car. And I mean, people talk about too many Lancers, all of which are underperformers (in the opposition's claim). Well, for that matter, you'd might as well have Ferrari make 360 Modenas of all kinds. You know, a 360 Modena in Hot Pink with Devon Aoki's graphics from the pink S2000 from "2 Fast 2 Furious," Michael Scumacher Red with paint schemes that resemble his Scuderia Ferrari F1 car, or maybe the Budweiser Ferrari in Black with colors from that Bathrust 24Hr car? To me, it's the same car, and it doesn't matter what paint you match it up with. The fact of the matter is that you have a car you can be proud to drive or even race. I mean, just because you can't have a 500 variations of the Corvette C5 doesn't mean that you'd have to rant on Lancers and Skylines because "it's the same car." I mean, these are pure performance cars. It isn't like you're going to get multiple Vipers. And I'm sure if the Japanese car-bashing party got multiple versions of the Viper, I'm sure the Japanese car lovers would say "The Viper has too many variations, but it's still the same damn car," even though the Viper is more of an exotic sports car than a grocery getter.

I don't like hating on people in Chats. I love my GTPlanet experience here. It's the best forum I've been on since I got AOL. So I enjoy talking to all of you about any issue in the automotive world. But the many variations of one car available in one game, I say "so what?" I'd rather check out many variations and like the car itself, or I can trust what someone says about being the same. Even if two cars look and perform exactly alike, it's not about these features. I just want a car that can win races. End of story? The next post will determine that. Batter up!

 

[Axe_Gaijin]

Well heck, I just hope the Daihatsu Midget II makes a triumphant return..

 

[Dave A]

Well, it has. Do a search for midget or check the pics for GT4 and GT4P at IGN.

 

[Blackfish]

In the case of "50.000 Lancers, but still the same damn car," I think this is a huge rant. I mean, I can recall GT3, with the different Lancers from Evo... maybe 3 or 4, all the way to the Evo 7. There was the Tommi Makkinen edition available with or without stripes. Now, why is there hate about this? Here is my take (as Dave Despain would say). For fans of these Japanese dragons on wheels, there are many variations of the same car. Some people would argue that the Crown Victoria and the Mercury Maurader are the same car. Then maybe the Ford F-150 and the Lincoln Blackwood being the same car. But, many variations of the same car means that you have a capable car with many options. It's called VARIETY. Now the concept of economy cars being raced on is interesting, I'll admit. I mean, maybe with all sports cars, it wouldn't allow people to race thier daily driver in a game

Good points. But the issue you miss, and I think the MAIN reason for the "hate" spewed at the the multiple Lancers (et al.) in GT3 is this:

The game gives numerous Lancer versions, many with the same performance figures. This is truly great VARIETY for fans of that car, but horrible VARIETY for those who like other cars. We get No Mercury Maurader. No Dodge Charger. No Chevy Impala. Etc, etc, etc.

We don't care if there are 50 lancer. We really don't. If you like them, great. What bothers people like me is the lack of cars I drive daily, and I want to drive and I enjoy, primarily the larger V6 and V8 American cars (old and New).

Now, many use the argument that these cars are not fun at all and they are so-called "grocery getters". Fine, it's a psudo-valid point. However, my counter is that the Vitz (and the tns of other tiny little City cars) are not exactly the pinacle of vehicular power either, but yet we are forced to race them in GT3.

The common counter to this line is: It a Japanese. Game, so get over it you gass guzzling, non-turning, smog causing Fat-ass American loser. Well, THAT is where we start getting pissed off. Many of us Americans (maybe not a majority, but a good number none-the-less) want to drive NEW (and Old) AMERICAN power, like the Impala SS, Cadilac CTS-V, Dodge Hemi Magnum R/T, Dodge Charger 99' Concept, Pontiac GTO, and the Mercury Maurauder, just to name a few current production cars. This is beyond the measly 2 Vettes, 3 Vipers and a 'Stang we got in GT3.

Yes, these large cars turn poorly compared to small ricers, but they crush rice in the straits (although many will scream and debate that point). the fact is, this (GT4) may be the only place where we, as car fans, can test our favorite American cars against the ricers loved by others. Not all of us can be real-world racers. But we can all have fun with our favorite cars in GT4, win or lose.

I doubt any ricer fans will either appreciate this fact, or understand it (after all, a big V8 Monster is to them like Garlic to a Vampire) but we simply are tired of not seeing OUR favorite cars represented just because they are A. American and B. Big, while they get tons of varieties of all their favorites.

And we DO understand that it is easier to offer 50 Lancers because the basics are already programmed in (meaning multiples are easier than a whole new car). However, with the number of cars supposedly in GT4, there SHOULD be room for the cars I listed above. The US is a huge market with lots of loyal American Cars fans who love GT4.

If some of the obscure small maker cars can be in GT4, then the Big American Power should also be represented. My opinion.

Hope this explains it a bit better, although i do doubt anyone will take me seriously anyway.

--- The Blackfish

 

[JohnBM01]

It sounds like another case of Detriot vs. Tokyo. What began as a "will the Maxima be in GT4" became "what are all these 50,000 Japanese[anese] cars doing here? Where's my El Camino or Challenger? Damn Japanese cars..."

Hey, I'm not taking any sides. I am basically equal in car choices. Maybe I like handling cars. Maybe someone else likes ground-pounding straightliners. Cars are different and people have different tastes. If no one thinks from a humanistic perspective, then allow me to show a humanistic perspective on cars. While I'm not an all-American, gas-guzzling, fat-a$$ American loser (if you were referring to me), I think GT2 did the best job at allowing many types of cars for many types of people. I mean, don't like Skylines? Get a Viper. Don't like Vipers? There's a TVR Chimera for you. Dislike the expensive TVRs? Think Alfa Romeo. I mean, the GT series has all sorts of cars to fit all sort of people's tastes. I'm not going to be ludicrous about it, but... be thankful the game is not all-Japanese, all-American, all-European, or whatever. Variety allows a player to choose their favorite car and tear ass on the track. Even if that car is one you'd rather not race (like the Daihatsus or Fords). Hell, I'd want to complete a GT game, even though I want to avoid doing that because there is so much to explore in the game. I'd race any car regardless of whether I like it or not. That especially applies to the Toyota Vitz/Echo/Yaris. But as I said earlier, it would be cool to race American cars regardless of their capabilities (and I'm talking about the muscle and pony cars, not the American sport compacts (except for the Neon SRT-4)). As I said in one thread, I am not the final voice to any thread. I'm not a moderator, I don't work for PD, I just like stating my opinions and answering questions the best way I can.

Well, I think the newest Maxima will make it, and if you can race tune it, it would make a VERY stylish car. Even more so than stock.

 

[Mr P510]

I'm confident that PD will include a great variety of cars to keep everyone happy.