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Would you believe this...? No-one actually knows how many Ford RS200s were built...

At the time, for Group B, 200 examples were needed for homologation rules (1985-1986). Ford said there would be 200 at least - but then the group folded-up and Ford just couldn't sell them, especially with the image probelm it acquired (the RS200 killed 7 spectators in Portugal, but wasn't the only killer Group B car).

It's estimated that about 160 (best guesses) saw the real world - around half were factory-prepared Evos - as was Graham Hathaway's record car - with 450hp-650hp depending on what the customer ordered (mostly 450hp ones though). One - the last one - was called the Ford RS200 GTO IMSA and had "about 850hp".
 
hold on a second befoire we all get confused, lets seperate the production cars from street legal. Live4speed, u were telling me you need a certian amount of cars for a car to be "production", how many tigers are there? and if it isnt a production car then the 962 beats the 0-60, its 2.6 - so what exactly is goin on, is the 962 the daddy or not?
 
Originally posted by Yazza
hold on a second befoire we all get confused, lets seperate the production cars from street legal. Live4speed, u were telling me you need a certian amount of cars for a car to be "production", how many tigers are there? and if it isnt a production car then the 962 beats the 0-60, its 2.6 - so what exactly is goin on, is the 962 the daddy or not?
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I don't know exactly how many there are but Tiff kept going on that he broke this 0-60 record. I'll look into it but I wont reply until tomorrow cos it's half 12 midnight here.
 
This is where things become more complex - the Tiger is still in production, although I don't know much about it. If they ever do get around to doing 3 runs back-to-back with a Guinness World Records adjudicator there, they'll take the RS200 off the pages (although Hathaway wouldn't stand for that - he went back 2 weeks after the original F1 took it from him... :D).

But there aren't that many of them about. I'll find a webpage somewhere in a minute... :D

I came up with http://www.tigerracing.com/cars/z100main.htm - not much help there though... I'm not sure if kit-cars - even if delivered in pre-built form - are eligible under Guinness rules...
 
so daan, if the "one" that broke the record is a modified version, it aint really a standard production car is it? its like the 962 apart from theres more 962's. I suppose because rules and regulations on things change all the time the 962 never got to be hailed as the record holder. As for the tiger, isnt it a kit car? youre sposed to buy the car and put it together yourself? Taking in to account the practicality aspect, if a car is really a road car then it needs to have more than one seat, i undertand the argument about space in the 962, but then again the renualt 5 gt turbo dont have no space but its still a production car, the Dauer version also has a lot of interior mods to make it more comfy (not that it ever can be comfy). In my mind the best comprimise is the Duaer, so its the fastest "road" car. I definately woudlnt mind a spin in a rs200 though, bloody mental is what i call em, them group b rally cars was it? all the creations of rally car designers on crack if you ask me, just insane, they were just blindingly fast and just crazy, the 205 turbo, audi s1 quattro, austin metro turbo! what else, famine can u remember any others? o yeah, the delta s1 s well.
 
daan was in mild error - he was thinking of the 1 RS200 GTO IMSA, but there were a few RS200 Evos in 650hp trim, more in 450hp trim and more normal RS200s. It's impossible (well, almost) to say how many, because no-one's sure just how many there were altogether. There's a VIN database site I came across somewhere for RS200s... I'll see if I can remember it tomorrow (as l4s said, it's now 12.45 :D). Most of them are thrashed to pieces across British Rally Stages every month. But the road cars are marvellous inside.

I remember the RS200, the Lancia Delta S4, the Peugeot 205 T16, the Metro 6R4 (loopy car) and the Audi S1 - and I think there was a Renault 5 GT Turbo 2 in there as well. Insane cars... The Delta S4 crash that killed Toivanen was essentially the end of Group B - the RS200 crash into the spectators hadn't helped though.
 
yeh, i know my posts mite not have had the best english grammer (i was trying to type as quickly as possible) but im from the uk too, im from that town u mentioned earlier famine, LUTON. im off to sleep as well, got college 2moro :irked: . good little discussion though, laytaz all, catch up on it 2moro.
 
I KNEW it! Southerners! :D

So you going to buy a Tiger for £4k? I drive through Wisbech a lot, handily :D I can shove one in the boot of my new MX-3 (how excited am I? :D) on the way past..
 
Holy crap! 2.8 second 0-60. That must acytually hurt going that fast, i bet it screams like nothing else too.

edit, i also got a fast ford here with a 780bhp RS200 used for rally cross 0 - 60 is quoted as 'sub 2.7 seconds' which is pretty damn fast.
 
In my brother's RB5 I felt the blood draining from my face, and making it's way to the back of my skull - and that only does it in a flat 5.0s... (only. Hahaha).

780hp is pretty much normal for an RS200 - 850 is the highest I've heard from an RS200 Evo (the same figure as the GTO IMSA, oddly).
 
Originally posted by DelBoy
Holy crap! 2.8 second 0-60. That must acytually hurt going that fast, i bet it screams like nothing else too.

edit, i also got a fast ford here with a 780bhp RS200 used for rally cross 0 - 60 is quoted as 'sub 2.7 seconds' which is pretty damn fast.
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Dragsters go 0 to 100 mph in 1 second. Now that is fast!
 
True. I'm going to an event next month. NHRA. It hurts when they go by if your on the front row.(This is at the track I'm going to)(doesn't mean all tracks). Cause there so loud and moving so fast. Its the best feeling you'll every feel at any racing event :)
 
Originally posted by live4speed
So now that we know the UK produces 1.6 million cars a year, lets look at who are the top producers:

I presume your calling Vauxall GM even though it's not, it's just owned by GM. Vauxhall is a British marque and you don't see any GM badged cars/trucks/SUV's over here. Also Vaxhall and Ford have increased production quite alot in the UK in the last year from what I've heard anyway.

Also there may not be as many car produced in the UK but take size of the UK into account as well if the UK had as many car plants as the US it would mess us up.

Finally the UK has the best sports car marque in my opinion and thats TVR, so I'm happy with British cars as long as we keep TVR as a British owned company.
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As far as i know, Opel models are used for vauxhall.

anyhow, fair enough, you like TVR, you're british. I'm half Japanese half Italian, believe it or not, so I prefer skylines and modenas.
 
Look guys ive read all your posts and i thought id my part, im a huge fan of cars especially the mclaren, the mclaren WAS as sum1 sed hte fastest production car to date until the bugatti veyron topped at 253mph although that is claimed. No car will ever beat the mclaren in any figures. The mclaren was built in britain in 1994 and it pumped out a huge 627bhp from an aluminium bmw 6.0l v12, now back then that was unmatchable it was THE BEST, it has taken nearly ten years in technology advancement to equal the mclarens performance figures. So ye the enzo and the bugatti, rs200 koenigsegg and others alike have beaten the mclarens figures but for one its taken them 10 years to do it and 2 they havent exactly thrashed it. By the way top speed for a standard production mclaren f1 was 391Kph which is 244mph. there is a video of its world record run available to download on kazaa, or winmx or programs like that.

Also add a turbo to it and a 7th gear and it would humiliate any car today. There are cars that can do 0 - 60 times quicker than any cars mentioned including the enzo and mclaren. there is an extremly modified nissan skyline on a website called www.exvitermini.com (take a look) its current power is 1350 hp which it can put to the ground through drag tires only, it has nos but never needed it and it has many videos including its 161mph 8.98second 1/4 mile. The car is modified and not standard but its performance is better than any car in the world iver ever seen.

Back to the mclaren tis handling capabilities are awesome and can only be matched by the Enzo as proved my jeremy clarkson. The car is absolutely awsome...technology has advanced so much in recent years its easy to beat mclaren but that just proves how awsome the car was when its prototype was first released!!
 
Originally posted by westy2k1
By the way top speed for a standard production mclaren f1 was 391Kph which is 244mph. there is a video of its world record run available to download on kazaa, or winmx or programs like that.
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Actually it's not, that speed was achieved in a non production F1, in the Guiness book of records the F1's top speed for fastest production car ever is 231Mph, the 244Mph car had it's catalyctic converter taken off, boosting the power and making the car illegal for a production and non eligable for the record.
 
Originally posted by westy2k1
it has taken nearly ten years in technology advancement to equal the mclarens performance figures. So ye the enzo and the bugatti, rs200 koenigsegg and others alike have beaten the mclarens figures but for one its taken them 10 years to do it
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Except that the Ford RS200 was built in 1985/6, 9 years BEFORE the McLaren F1.

The Guinness World Records top speed for a production road car is listed as 240.41mph, at Nardo.
 
I have to confess, I've been lazy and only read the last page, but how come I keep on reading in lots of places that the Dauer still has the fastest 0-60 for a production car?:confused: . O well.
BTW you lot actually missed a group 4 rally car. Whether it actually raced or not I don't know but they did produce a few. The Citroen BX4TC (a suped up Citroen BX) :lol: . I'm looking at a picture of it right here and it looks.....interesting. Good for a citroen.
Also does anyone know what the fastest 0-60 time claimed is by a non production car?
 
According to http://www.supercars.net, the fastest recorded time for a road-legal, non-production car is the Dauer 962...

BTW on Supercars' homepage, I spotted an FR 5.0 V8 Ford Focus... Should fit into the V8 club nicely! :D
 
OOoooo very nice. Good step from ford I think. I soo hope that wins SEMA and gets into GT4. I'd like to see that!
👍 Cheers ma deers :D !
 
No - the SEMA car is an old Buick.

"The overall winner was Ted and Sue Richardson who were honored with the "Best in Show" award for their one-of-kind 1962 Buick Special. In addition to the hardware, the Richardson's 1962 Buick Special will set a new standard for visibility among auto enthusiasts as their vehicle will be drivable in Gran Turismo 4 when it is available worldwide for PlayStation 2 in 2004."

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Bleugh. Rather have an MX-3 V6 in there... ;)
 
So you decided to go for the MX-3 then. What's she like? I was gonna suggest (a bit too late now) what about a 300ZX if you were planning to upgrade (as you were deciding between a MX-3 or a Supra last time) you car. My old man paid £4000 for a good nick 300ZX 1990 TT manual. Or were you limited to the MX-3 because of other things like insurance?
 
Actually, the choice was Clio V6/Supra, but it became limited due to unemployment. So I took my dad's MX-3 V6 off him - 1998R, 48,000mi - for £3250.

The MX-3 is group 15 insurance, but I'm still paying less than I was for a 1.1 Fiesta when I was 17...

The Supra is still on the cards - but about 18 months/2 years down the line. I'm happy with my ickle car (although plant your foot and the petrol gauge goes down quicker than the speedo goes up). 0-60 takes around 8s, I've had 135mph (accidentally). It's no Supra, but it's just fine :D And there's a nice purry note from the V6, especially up near the 8000rpm redline :D
 
I'm almost 100% sure the record for top speed is in the 230's. I checked the records site and I couldn't find that catagory anywhere, and if it's the supercars.net site you got the speed from thats not the official record either I don't think.

Anyway, I unfortunatley have a Civic, butI'm earning good money at the moment and if this carries on I hope to be the proud owner of a TVR within two years time.
 
Not bad. How old are you l4s?

Famine: Ouch that must really hurt to kind of have your current car dreams quashed when you hit unemployment.
Though that MX-3 doesn't sound too bad after all :) , a nice tody package. But then again it seems that the majority of Mazdas (someone will prve me wrong) gazzle gas. Though I wouldn't meind getting an MX-3 for £3250, you got a good deal, although I would hope that you'd get a good deal anywayz off of yourfather :D .
 
I can't stand the McLaren F1's. Sure, they're fast, but to me there's only one 200+ car for me, the XJ220 :D

I saw one at a show, my jaw quite literally dropped.
 
Originally posted by delucani
I thought the new Bugatti Veyron was the fastest production car not the McLaren.
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The Veyron isn't in production yet, when it comes out and gets tested it could very well be the new fastest. Thing is, even if it achieved 252Mph tomorrow, it wouldn't cout cos it's not out yet, and I think they need to build 100 road cars to qualify before it would count as well.
 
Originally posted by live4speed
I'm almost 100% sure the record for top speed is in the 230's. I checked the records site and I couldn't find that catagory anywhere, and if it's the supercars.net site you got the speed from thats not the official record either I don't think.
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Aaaah, the magic of books... I have 1997-2003 Guinness Book of Records on the shelf behind me. :D
 
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