McLaren in GT4: Welcome to the Party or Uninvited?

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Theres no limit as such in the JGTC either. Just a restrictor of a specified size that should allow the cars tp produce 'around' 500BHP.

The WRC cars, started with 300BHP but over the last 7 or so years the engines have become ever more efficient/advanced and now produce around 340-350BHP with the very same restrictors.
 
Well that's what we're trying to establish, because you say there isn't a limit, and other people say there is, and no one is posting anything to actually back up their claim - we want regulations.
 
Web site for JGTC cars English version.

http://www.jgtc.net/index_en.htm

Extract from site about power.

"The series is split into two different categories (i.e., GT300 and GT500), and the cars compete against other cars in the same category at each event. The maximum engine output of a GT500 car is approximately 500HP. These cars reach top speeds of nearly 300km/h; their power and high performance attracting attention from around the world. The maximum engine output of a GT300 car is approximately 300HP. As the cars in this category are less expensive that those running in the GT500 class, many private teams compete in this category.

Since the regulations were created to maintain an equilibrium in performance among competing cars and ensure that the battles are close through each lap of every race, all cars are required to maintain a minimum weight and that each engine be fitted with an air restrictor. These measures allow strict control of performance and keep the field close together."

The air restrictors are based on the Weight of the car.
Weight is added to cars that win.
Power is not limited to 500 hp and I did not see any mention of dyno testing.
Power is approx 500 horespower.

There is a language selection button for English or Japenese.
 
But approximately 500Bhp doesn't mean they can go over 500Bhp that just means they have around 500Bhp so they can have 490Bhp which is aproximately 500Bhp. Btw that page is not a list of all the rules and regulations, it's just a briefe overview put there for the public and as such it doesn't have to be specific. On that other JGTC site it says the GT500 has a max of 500Bhp and the GT300 has a max of 300Bhp, both sites are official and the first one doesn't contradict the US one, it's just less specific.
 
It is also the car I want the most in GT4. But I wish they could just include the F1, F1 LM, and F1 GT. I'm still wondering though. If they could obtain the license to use the F1 GTR, then why couldn't they obtain the other McLarens?
 
It is impossible to produce engines that produce 500BHP, and no more, unless you test evey single engine.

The restrictors are applied to each engine to give approximately 500BHP.

The restrcitors in GT500 are for 500BHP, GT300 - 300BHP, WRC - 300BHP and LMP1 - 600-650BHP. However engines can produce slightly more or less than the intended limit.
 
....so is the JGTC a "NO REAL LIMIT-RACE LEAGUE"???
i don´t think so look at the DTM!!!
there is the same!
cars can have up to 500ps so it´s approximately 500ps!!!!!
i think there is a limit in the JGTC because without any it would be very boring because the stronger cars would drive the weaker cars away and nobody wants to see that!
 
JAGUAR
It is impossible to produce engines that produce 500BHP, and no more, unless you test evey single engine.

The restrictors are applied to each engine to give approximately 500BHP.

The restrcitors in GT500 are for 500BHP, GT300 - 300BHP, WRC - 300BHP and LMP1 - 600-650BHP. However engines can produce slightly more or less than the intended limit.
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Less and slightly less is allowed as is 500 dead, but 500+ is not, the official site even said that the GT500 was cxars upto 500Bhp not over 500Bhp or give or take 10 or 20Bhp. The restrictors are applied to the engine to make sure the cars are under the limit, it's upto the teams to get as close to the 500Bhp mark as possible.
 
In the web site I linked to "The Official JGTC season 2004" has a table that lists air restrictor size in relation to engine capacity and car mass.
It does not say it limits horespower to 500 HP max, I am sending them an email to seek clarification.
 
"JGTC consists of two classes, GT500 (max. 500hp) and GT300 (max. 300hp). Horsepower is controlled through air restrictors.
Cars eligible for GT500: JAF-GT(class 1), Le Mans* cars and cars specially authorized by the JAF**.
Cars eligible for GT300: JAF-GT(class 2), Le Mans cars and cars specially authorized by the JAF.
"
The official US JGTC site linked by Solid lifters, it quite clearly says max 500Bhp.
 
live4speed
"JGTC consists of two classes, GT500 (max. 500hp) and GT300 (max. 300hp). Horsepower is controlled through air restrictors.
Cars eligible for GT500: JAF-GT(class 1), Le Mans* cars and cars specially authorized by the JAF**.
Cars eligible for GT300: JAF-GT(class 2), Le Mans cars and cars specially authorized by the JAF.
"
The official US JGTC site linked by Solid lifters, it quite clearly says max 500Bhp.
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The official JAPANESE site English translation quite clearly says " Approx 500".

In my email to them I also asked if they dyno test each car before the race.
 
Good man Harry, fingers crossed we get a response that answers the question or at least gives us a link we can check on.
 
As I've said before it is impossible to set specific limits unless each engine is dyno tested.

There are a number of ways to limit power to an approximate limit. Engine capacity e.g. F1's 3l limit and the ETCC's 2l limit. Rev limiters, restrictors, or a combination of those mentioned.

As sportscar racing has so many different engine configerations, from low reving US V8s, turbos and high reving F1 type engines, restrictors are the best way to limit engine power.

Each engine configeration has a specific restrictor that will allow the engine to produce an approximate power output, give or take 10-15%. At Le Mans, and I believe the JGTC, the weight of the cars is also taken into consideration. The Vipers GTS-R's for example were pretty heavy and therefore were allowed a slightly bigger engine restrictor to give the car the specified power to weight ratio in GTS. i.e 1100kg =600BHP (approx). If a car weighed 1200kg they would be allowed restrictors that would allow approx. 650BHP.

In the WRC the FIA's theorectical limit for WRC cars is 300BHP, with restrictors set to produce 300BHP approx. This is why the WRC manufactuers always quote official power outputs as 298/299/300BHP. Of course everyone realises the cars produce more like 330-345BHP, but why give away power outputs to your competitors.
 
ok ur right!....i copied this here:
"""The technical regulations drawn up for the JGTC by JAF allow more freedom to modify the car than do regulations created for other GT series in other parts of the world.

The series is split into two different categories (i.e., GT300 and GT500), and the cars compete against other cars in the same category at each event. The maximum engine output of a GT500 car is approximately 500HP. These cars reach top speeds of nearly 300km/h; their power and high performance attracting attention from around the world"""

that was from the official JGTC site and it really says approximately and that´s not as strict as other GT series in the world!!!
.....sorry but i thought that they´re really limited by 500hp!
doesn´t matter u never stop learning in ur live.....
 
They say around 500hp because it is very hard to get it exact. The weather could completely screw up your tuning and have you running a few horses above or below 500. Who would want to to disqualify a championship contender because it was making 501 hp? Also some one mention weight ratios, the point of jgtc is to make almost everyone competitive. They do this mostly with balasts on good cars but who is to say they aren't leniant on the power made by cars who have bad aerodynamics?
 
One question. I was looking through the JGTC line-up for 2003, saw McLaen F1 GTR.

NOw I looked through the 2004, and I couldn't find McLaren anywhere. Nor could I find the Calsonic Skyline. Has something happened? Does anyone have a pic of the McLaren, or the Calsonoc Skyline during a 2004 race?
 
here´s the "CALSONIC 350Z JGTC"from 2004 at AIDA:
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...and here running at SUGO:
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...AND HERE AT SEPANG:
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...and here (in the background) at TOKACHI:
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I´m afraid of saying that i didn´t find any pic of the Mc Laren in 2004(but i hope they´re just need a bit time namely one year pause to modify their car to bring it puto the level of the Supra!)

just look at these 360 Modenas!!
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Those modena's are hot. I looked at the officail site and they had a list of entries and it wasn't on it. Maybe the MClaren is too old to be allowed in, or it needed to have more cars produced to fully homologate. There are a myriod of reasons why the car may not be in the series. It's probably because it is too expensive keeping up a million $ car.
 
It not too old, it's just not competitive enough to keep up, it's losing ground every year. They just weren't winning so they didn't enter the F1 this year, they could have if they wanted to but it would have been pointless as the F1 would be no quicker but the new works cars would.
 
live4speed
It not too old, it's just not competitive enough to keep up, it's losing ground every year. They just weren't winning so they didn't enter the F1 this year, they could have if they wanted to but it would have been pointless as the F1 would be no quicker but the new works cars would.
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I have heard that McLaren Racing (I think their same team had the F1 McLaren Mercedes)
took the year off to find a way to make the car faster, and better.
 
McLaren F1GTR
I have heard that McLaren Racing (I think their same team had the F1 McLaren Mercedes)
took the year off to find a way to make the car faster, and better.
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I think I'm right in saying the team that ran the F1 GTRs traded them in for 550/s this year. The F1's not getting any younger and spare parts availability was becoming a bit of a problem.
 
Now, that is completely true. Alot of F1 GTR parts are becoming hard to get. And alot of it is b/c McLaren pushing F1 cars out its doors. An F1 GTR hasn't been in production since '99. #42 and #43 F1 GTR Longtails though are still racing strong in classic Le Mans Races. This is great considering that in 2007, they be a decade old.
 
GT-One Lover
here´s the "CALSONIC 350Z JGTC"from 2004 at AIDA:
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...and here running at SUGO:
...AND HERE AT SEPANG:
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...and here (in the background) at TOKACHI:


I´m afraid of saying that i didn´t find any pic of the Mc Laren in 2004(but i hope they´re just need a bit time namely one year pause to modify their car to bring it puto the level of the Supra!)

just look at these 360 Modenas!!
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Grumble, Grumble.....

But yes the 350Z seems better suited to racing in my opinion, i think it is lighter, plus it looks reallllly aerodynamic.
 
The race version is the same weight as the race Skylines in the GT500. The road version is 1450-ish KG's.
 

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