Mercedes W08 F1 undrivable on controller?

[ApexCris]

In spite of the supposedly improved handling of Formula cars on the Dualshock 4, the W08 seems to have the exact same problem as the other Formula cars had pre-update (haven't tested them after), as it will suddenly pivot once the steering lock is too high.

If you're unfamiliar with how steering lock works on the DS4, the angle you put in with your thumbstick doesn't directly relate to the angle of your tires (which is the case with a wheel). Instead, the angle will gradually increase in correlation to the angle of your thumbstick and the speed of your car, meaning it's very hard to grasp the exact amount of steering lock. For the same reason, it's hard to judge how much steering input you can make before the car pivots. It will do this, even at extremely low speeds, which makes it super difficult to attack slower corners.

I can't imagine this car is easy to drive on a wheel, but it's borderline impossible with a controller.
I find it hard to imagine that even the best controller drivers will be competitive with this car.
For the record i'm a low A+ driver so i like to think i know what i'm doing, driving with the DS4.

 

[MINKIHL]

In spite of the supposedly improved handling of Formula cars on the Dualshock 4, the W08 seems to have the exact same problem as the other Formula cars had pre-update (haven't tested them after), as it will suddenly pivot once the steering lock is too high.

If you're unfamiliar with how steering lock works on the DS4, the angle you put in with your thumbstick doesn't directly relate to the angle of your tires (which is the case with a wheel). Instead, the angle will gradually increase in correlation to the angle of your thumbstick and the speed of your car, meaning it's very hard to grasp the exact amount of steering lock. For the same reason, it's hard to judge how much steering input you can make before the car pivots. It will do this, even at extremely low speeds, which makes it super difficult to attack slower corners.

I can't imagine this car is easy to drive on a wheel, but it's borderline impossible with a controller.
I find it hard to imagine that even the best controller drivers will be competitive with this car.
For the record i'm a low A+ driver so i like to think i know what i'm doing, driving with the DS4.

That going into neutral during downshifting is a very hard killer ... dont know why that car is doing that... no fun at all to drive that car

 

[Danny_GT2]

Ditto the above posts. I'm a DS4 driver and driving the W08 at Nurb GP as one of the GT League single-player races was a nightmare. Turns 1 and 3 are near impossible without the car spinning, and that neutral downshifting is very annoying. The upshifting is ridiculous too in manual mode so it's probably best driving it in automatic.

 

[phil_75]

A+ DS4 user and it is horrible to drive.

 

[mthomas_95]

It's not the steering lock that's the issue, it's the fact the car applies 100% throttle under any braking input. Shows up on the replay, and thats what's causing a lot of the issues.

Naturally when you come off the brakes you now also come off 100% throttle, hence the massive weight transfer issues and crippling understeer when you brake and turn at the same time.

 

[DCheesy]

Wow! Also DS4 user. Haven't tried GTS with new update. This is terrible news for me..

 

[Slapped]

That going into neutral during downshifting is a very hard killer ... dont know why that car is doing that... no fun at all to drive that car

I‘ve just given this some thought, and maybe I‘ve got an explanation.

Changing down will only really occur under braking, and isn‘t it under braking where the KERS (or whatever it‘s called these days) recovers the energy. If so then you don‘t want that energy being bled off into an engine that‘s doing nothing, so the clutch activates to disconnect the engine from the drivetrain and the recovery system of the KERS is activated to recover as much energy as possible.

I may well be speaking out of my rear end however.

 

[mthomas_95]

I don't know whether it's a glitch that it's full throttle or some kind of weird way of simulating the hybrid systems. Downshift to 5th through the esses is clearly heard and normal because I wasn't braking, so it seems we can rule out the gearbox for now as the cause of the messed up handling.

 

[MINKIHL]

I‘ve just given this some thought, and maybe I‘ve got an explanation.

Changing down will only really occur under braking, and isn‘t it under braking where the KERS (or whatever it‘s called these days) recovers the energy. If so then you don‘t want that energy being bled off into an engine that‘s doing nothing, so the clutch activates to disconnect the engine from the drivetrain and the recovery system of the KERS is activated to recover as much energy as possible.

I may well be speaking out of my rear end however.

dont get why, it simply changing from an engine to a transformator which is charging the batteries.

Still, if you are watching hamiltons onboard laps you can clearly see that there is no neutral, i cannot give any throttle inputs till the game gives me back the car. Hamilton is normally shofting down and has always the ability to accelarate. Would be hilieious a behave like the gts one.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I‘ve just given this some thought, and maybe I‘ve got an explanation.

Changing down will only really occur under braking, and isn‘t it under braking where the KERS (or whatever it‘s called these days) recovers the energy. If so then you don‘t want that energy being bled off into an engine that‘s doing nothing, so the clutch activates to disconnect the engine from the drivetrain and the recovery system of the KERS is activated to recover as much energy as possible.

I may well be speaking out of my rear end however.

Nope, not at all how it works. And yes there is a KERS system and an ERS system.

 

[MINKIHL]

I don't know whether it's a glitch that it's full throttle or some kind of weird way of simulating the hybrid systems. Downshift to 5th through the esses is clearly heard and normal because I wasn't braking, so it seems we can rule out the gearbox for now as the cause of the messed up handling.

Like I wrote in another thread:
I tried already:
Standard and custom transmission
TC, Stability Controll, Countersteer.
ABS on and off.
Resetting my wheel
driving with controller
restarting ps4

looks like the car is simply glitched or bugged.

In the current state of that, I am not havig fun with that car, because If the real car of hamilton behaves like that, it would be a joke and it clearly is not doing that.

 

[Slapped]

dont get why, it simply changing from an engine to a transformator which is charging the batteries.

Still, if you are watching hamiltons onboard laps you can clearly see that there is no neutral, i cannot give any throttle inputs till the game gives me back the car. Hamilton is normally shofting down and has always the ability to accelarate. Would be hilieious a behave like the gts one.

Nope, not at all how it works. And yes there is a KERS system and an ERS system.

Well guys, I did say that I may very well be speaking out of my rear end

 

[ApexCris]

That going into neutral during downshifting is a very hard killer ... dont know why that car is doing that... no fun at all to drive that car

I didn't notice that while driving, although i was running it on AT so i wasn't paying too much attention to the gears. But the handling in mind, that explanation does make sense, as it felt a whole lot like lift-off oversteer.

 

[mthomas_95]

Like I wrote in another thread:
I tried already:
Standard and custom transmission
TC, Stability Controll, Countersteer.
ABS on and off.
Resetting my wheel
driving with controller
restarting ps4

looks like the car is simply glitched or bugged.

In the current state of that, I am not havig fun with that car, because If the real car of hamilton behaves like that, it would be a joke and it clearly is not doing that.

But Hamilton claims on Twitter it drives just like the real thing, because all I saw last season was him plowing straight on whilst trailbraking

 

[Venster]

Nope, not at all how it works. And yes there is a KERS system and an ERS system.

This, car still has engine braking. It still downshifts, in GTS it sounds like it goes into neutral, there is no sound at all through downshifts. Gear only kicks back in as you accelerate, in which time you have to do the quickest up shifts ever through 3,4 and 5!

Pretty sure it shouldn’t have full throttle whilst braking either!

 

[ApexCris]

But Hamilton claims on Twitter it drives just like the real thing, because all I saw last season was him plowing straight on whilst trailbraking

Hmm, why do i get the feeling that Hamilton hasn't actually tried it out before tweeting that?

 

[Conquerer]

Just gave it a try earlier, only did a handful of laps on Interlagos. It was really tough to be fast without slipping and sliding, and the weird slide after downshifting and turning into corners in gear 2 or 3. Can't say it's undriveable with DS4 just yet... maybe just a really tough learning curve. I did do a relatively decent lap albeit with mistakes, but I'm sure I could refine it a lot more with some more time. Then again, it doesn't particularly feel fun to drive, at least yet.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

This, car still has engine braking. It still downshifts, in GTS it sounds like it goes into neutral, there is no sound at all through downshifts. Gear only kicks back in as you accelerate, in which time you have to do the quickest up shifts ever through 3,4 and 5!

Pretty sure it shouldn’t have full throttle whilst braking either!

What does that have to do with someones analysis of the real car and trying to explain what is happening in game perhaps. And being wrong about said real life explanation?

My nope that was wrong, has nothing to do with the in game car or what PD modeled. It has everything to do with informing someone that their knowledge or ideas about something in the REAL WORLD F1 aren't right. Hopefully that is clear to you.

 

[novcze]

It's not only DS4, wheels are also affected .... if you downshift while braking, it sounds like you are in neutral and accelerator indicator is full until brake is released. And I'm sure it's not intended behaviour ...

 

[Herrybo79]

Have the same issiue, but is it a bug, or is it normal for a Formel 1?

 

[SleezyBigSlim]

I'm glad I read this thread. I think an LSD tune is in order when I get this car.

 

[djidane57]

Hmm, why do i get the feeling that Hamilton hasn't actually tried it out before tweeting that?

since Lewis is partner with PD for this game , i'm sure they made him try his own car before we did

 

[Lee x sensai]

We need Lewis reference lap on his car with wheel to see if he could drive it his own car. It give people idea if the car issue or it just being people bad at it.

 

[Conquerer]

since Lewis is partner with PD for this game , i'm sure they made him try his own car before we did

I doubt they did cause the car has just been released now and it doesn't come with a special event or anything where you can try to beat Lewis' lap, which I assume they would've done if they had access to him after the car was complete. Maybe they'll still try to get this done as it's a bit of a waste of the car and Lewis partnership to not do it, but it's also a missed opportunity to not launch the car with this event.

 

[hznbrq]

I use the d-pad and came within 11 seconds of the leader in the Nurburgring GP race. It took a lot of tuning to get that far. Add weight for stability and TCS 4.

I've spun out as much from the computer drivers taking the wrong driving lines and crashing into my car, as I have from oversteering.

 

[djidane57]

car looks clearly glitched with maggiore , it just doesnt turn in the banking corner

 

[Stormhawk83]

Glad I'm not the only one that is finding this car infuriating to try and drive using a pad. Have up on Suzuka after 7 laps as car kept spinning with no warning at final turn. Hoping they fix it as right now I'm not interested in trying it again

 

[djidane57]

okay so after turning on ALL aids , the car is finally drivable for me and i'm having a blast on Yamagiwa lapping 1.12 !

 

[Justy73]

I have found a solution which eleminated the oversteer-spinnig problem which I had playing with the DS4 nearly completely: hard tire on front and soft on rear. Of course this whould not be allowed by rules in real F1...

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

I was having same issues mentioned while using a wheel. Couldn't make it past first corner.

My work around has been to leave it in 5th in the first corner until the clutch engages again and throttle input is normal, then shift to 4th and power out. For me, it was when the clutch engaged that the rear would kick out in 2nd or 3rd regardless of how slow I was mid corner.

Can now win the Nurb GP event by a large margin on RS tires, but yeah at first I didnt know what I was doing wrong and the car felt uncontrollable.