Could you please link to a source of any sort for this claim?pro-russian militias have claimed the atttack
Latest pictures are showing what looks like streamers of paper several meters long and various other small pieces of debris raining down from the sky... again, not possible if the plane simply crashed.
Could you please link to a source of any sort for this claim?
According to what I have been reading and hearing that the Russian Air controllers reported the problem to their supervisors and their reports made their way up the chain to Putin.Here is an open question to consider, if the separatists are responsible for the attack, then how the hell did Putin know before the rest of the world did and made a brief mention to it to dummy in chief?
It is also possible the missile was launched from Russia proper. If so, it will be up to Obama and Putin to avoid WWIII in the teeth of outrage. But that should be easy for those two.According to what I have been reading and hearing that the Russian Air controllers reported the problem to their supervisors and their reports made their way up the chain to Putin.
Easily. Ukraine is closer to Russia than to the "rest of the world" that you mean.Here is an open question to consider, if the separatists are responsible for the attack, then how the hell did Putin know before the rest of the world did and made a brief mention to it to dummy in chief?
A Dutch passenger jokingly posted a photo of the plane while at the airport with the comment: If it dissappears, this is how it looks like.
Could you please link to a source. The fact that someone posted this is really disturbing, and rather eerie.A Dutch passenger jokingly posted a photo of the plane while at the airport with the comment: If it dissappears, this is how it looks like.
The hell...? You're telling people to not laugh in a situation like this by cropping together a naff meme? Are you for real?
What increases that statistical chance is the identity of airline, model of plane and the profile of flight at that time. Both jets were beginning cruise-after-climb, that's a significant statistical factor at this time.
I'd expect air-interference to have broken the plane up more than that. A 777 is literally mass-ive and any reasonably serious surface interruption is going to devastate it.
For now the question is; what ATC data is there?
It's not just about the simplicity in operating the system, but the reasons for using it. A lone SAM is easy prey for a modern military, unlike guerrilla weapons. If they happen to have one, or a few, I don't see why they would just go about shooting things up. I can't rule anything out of course.Of course it's not like in Battlefield, where you hop in and press a button, but there's nothing that proves the seperatists aren't responsible. If it got shot down, it must've been by something like a Buk (I'm sure another plane for example would've been reported already) and it's the most common GTAM system in that region.
A Dutch passenger jokingly posted a photo of the plane while at the airport with the comment: If it dissappears, this is how it looks like.
A Dutch passenger jokingly posted a photo of the plane while at the airport with the comment: If it dissappears, this is how it looks like.
Could you please link to a source. The fact that someone posted this is really disturbing, and rather eerie.
Perhaps it is just a rather rare, strange and unlikely coincidence. I wonder how it is going to be possible to investigate what happened considering the ongoing civil war.Here's the struggle in my head (as if you all care).
Two jets of the same type from the same company crash at the same point in the flight profile.
The problem is that I genuinely believe the first was human-led and it appears credible that the second was too.
But those kinds of coincidences just don't happen, do they?
Seems they might. I just tried to find out if Boeing are treating it as a crash, seems for now they are but they aren't mobilising the "grab" crew. That says to me they don't think it's a crash but I have no source to show you.
It would still be interesting to wonder if this was in fact linked to the airline threat of the last few weeks, the assumption has been that this was an Al-Quaeeeeeda threat but notably no-one's actually said that.
Here's the struggle in my head (as if you all care).
Two jets of the same type from the same company crash at the same point in the flight profile.
The problem is that I genuinely believe the first was human-led and it appears credible that the second was too.
But those kinds of coincidences just don't happen, do they?
Seems they might. I just tried to find out if Boeing are treating it as a crash, seems for now they are but they aren't mobilising the "grab" crew. That says to me they don't think it's a crash but I have no source to show you.
It would still be interesting to wonder if this was in fact linked to the airline threat of the last few weeks, the assumption has been that this was an Al-Quaeeeeeda threat but notably no-one's actually said that.
Someone translate what this post says: someone browsing 4chan (don't go there, he said it's stuffed with gore photos from this) sent it to me: could the Dutchman in the tweet have predicted it? If this is real, that's creepy...
Someone translate what this post says: someone browsing 4chan (don't go there, he said it's stuffed with gore photos from this) sent it to me: could the Dutchman in the tweet have predicted it? If this is real, that's creepy...
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That's why I said " if this is real" at the end of the comment.No it isn't, not when you think of all the number of photographed planes that people make similar jokes about which don't crash. You're presuming a data set of One Thing
Just hearing from Aunty that an FDR has been located. On that model it's on the upper fuselage just forward of the empannage crown, could be at either "main" site.
Because they're idiots who did this without thinking for a second.I agree, what sticks out the most right now is that it's a MA flight.
It's not just about the simplicity in operating the system, but the reasons for using it. A lone SAM is easy prey for a modern military, unlike guerrilla weapons. If they happen to have one, or a few, I don't see why they would just go about shooting things up. I can't rule anything out of course.
This is because the Callsign is shared with a KLM that runs the same route usually, according to NBC.I don't have a source handy but I've read that that plane has a different callsign than the one that crashed.
I don't have a source handy but I've read that that plane has a different callsign than the one that crashed.
Someone translate what this post says: someone browsing 4chan (don't go there, he said it's stuffed with gore photos from this) sent it to me: could the Dutchman in the tweet have predicted it? If this is real, that's creepy...
No it isn't, not when you think of all the number of photographed planes that people make similar jokes about which don't crash. You're presuming a data set of One Thing
Just hearing from Aunty that an FDR has been located. On that model it's on the upper fuselage just forward of the empannage crown, could be at either "main" site.
That's why I said " if this is real" at the end of the comment.