Microsoft Doesn't See Sony's PS5 as Competition for the Xbox

Discussion in 'Console & PC Gaming' started by GTPNewsWire, Feb 6, 2020.

  1. EnzoRacer

    EnzoRacer

    Messages:
    175
    Location:
    Russian Federation
    "we can't compete at Sony's playfield with their rules, so we decided to make own playfield with own rules" - that's what i hear from MS
     
    GT6mebe, Jtheripper and IngRobNy like this.
  2. Terronium-12

    Terronium-12 Moderator

    Messages:
    26,609
    Location:
    United States
    You know, I'm almost intrigued enough to look into the past and see what kind of ridiculous, existential crises some of you had when the Xbox 360 dominated the PS3. Because this is borderline ego-driven fanaticism, and those of you so heavily advocating for a brand that couldn't pick you out of a lineup are something else. :lol:
     
    FT-1, FerrariF1GT, Northstar and 3 others like this.
  3. rhalgr

    rhalgr

    Messages:
    269
    Spencer is sitting on the Microsoft Board and responsible for everything gaming. This includes their cloud solutions for gaming and B2B businesses. Xbox is just one part of his job. So why shouldn't he be allowed to talk about it?

    Nobody said Sony and Nintendo will have trouble finding an cloud partner. This is about Spencer saying that google and amazon are their main competitors, because they have an global cloud infrastructure unlike Sony and Nintendo.

    They are/will be consumers to MS, Amazon and google and pay tons of money to get access to Azure, AWS, Google to provide PSN, NOS, PS Now, ... to us end consumers.

    He got asked a question and answered it :idea:

    The only lame attempts i am seeing are made by fanboys...:rolleyes:
     
    Last edited: Feb 10, 2020
    TokoTurismo likes this.
  4. GTV0819

    GTV0819 (Banned)

    Messages:
    6,086
    Man sometimes, I wonder why do these console wars exist. I mean of course, there's competition but some fans just take their rivalry to a ridiculous level with their overwhelming devotion for one of them.
     
  5. rhalgr

    rhalgr

    Messages:
    269
    I asked an psychologist and he couldn't explain it to me either. He just said they need a therapy.
     
  6. GTV0819

    GTV0819 (Banned)

    Messages:
    6,086
    Then that must be a big, unique mystery, indeed.
     
    Last edited: Feb 10, 2020
  7. ShakesMcQueen

    ShakesMcQueen

    Messages:
    684
    Many people intertwine their self-identity with the brands they buy - and advertising actually pushes people to make this association, with commercials that try to associate, say, Coca-Cola with some sort of cool "lifestyle" of hip people doing hip things while enjoying an ice cold Coke.

    With consoles I think it's a little simpler - lots of people can only afford to own one, and people jealously guard their prideful belief that they "backed the winner", so to speak. And this isn't restricted to PlayStation fanboys - some Xbox fanboys were just as insufferable back when the 360 was ascendant, and the PS3 was struggling to find a firm footing.

    It's pathetic, but not that hard to understand.
     
    rhalgr and IngRobNy like this.
  8. ShakesMcQueen

    ShakesMcQueen

    Messages:
    684
    How could I possibly argue with bollocks "NPD" sales figures like "2 million +" and "lower than 4", lol. Gears of War 4's last public sales data put it at around 2.6 million copies sold. Gears of War 3 didn't sell "2 million +" copies - it sold 3 million copies it's first WEEK.

    This is where I stop taking you seriously at all. No, Halo 5 did not sell fewer copies than Forza Motorsport 6 (though I assume your data shows only 6 copies of FM6 were ever purchased, by some guy named Lou in Kentucky). The last publicly available data point was that Halo 5 sold at least 5 million copies.

    Fanboyism is like brain termites.
     
  9. VFOURMAX1

    VFOURMAX1

    Messages:
    1,643
    That statement concerning online is true regardless of platform used to play the game so I do not see the point of reference or revelence as to what quote of my earlier post you chose to respond to. The statement you quoted has nothing to do with the common traits required of all platforms concerning playing online but was more about the freedom the PC platform gives customers as to accessories they choose to purchase and the addition of 3rd party/community mods that add additional content and/or improve or fix deficiencies in the original games they own.

    Actually I own quite a few "Steam" games and after I download the game to my computer I do not need to be connected to the internet or Steam at all to access and play the offline content of my downloaded games. Granted that I cannot update or play any online portions but that would be true whether I owned the game on disc or not.

    I agree and actually many people building new computer systems are not installing any sort of optical drive for reading disc on newer systems. Basically the flash drive has replaced the disc as far as a source to download new material from external sources and disc are pretty much going obsolete.

    Also I own what PS4 games I have on disc, in some ways that is a disadvantage because if the laser or any part of the blu-ray drive fails I cannot play my games as by owning the disc version I must insert the disc into an operating drive to access the game. The digital version does eliminate that requirement.
     
    IngRobNy likes this.
  10. MikeV27

    MikeV27 Premium

    Messages:
    2,087
    Location:
    Canada
    Seems pretty cocky and foolish for them to write off Sony so soon. Cloud gaming isn’t that far yet and Stadia is **** so the bar is pretty low atm, who knows about amazon.

    MS has kind of made their console a bit redundant by making everything available on pc anyway.

    Disk copies? i haven’t bought one of those for at least 10 years. I got sick of those cases wasting space.
     
    Last edited: Feb 10, 2020
    Jtheripper and IngRobNy like this.
  11. ShakesMcQueen

    ShakesMcQueen

    Messages:
    684
    He's not writing off Sony, insofar as Sony compete with Microsoft on consoles and video games right now. He has bluntly acknowledged more than once that Sony "won" this console generation.

    He's saying Sony and Nintendo are not well positioned to compete when cloud gaming finally becomes a "thing", because neither company has invested much of anything in the global infrastructure necessary to deliver those kinds of services. Meaning they are going to need to pay a corporation like Microsoft to facilitate that for them, which is going to make Microsoft a lot of money.

    It also means Microsoft will always be able to deliver their own cloud gaming services more profitably (as they own their own infrastructure), and gives Microsoft the advantage of having direct control over the hardware.

    In this future, Amazon and Google are their main competition, because those are the only other companies that have also invested in this kind of infrastructure. And virtually all cloud-based gaming services are going to be hosted by one of them.
     
  12. Wolfe

    Wolfe Premium

    Messages:
    12,576
    Location:
    United States
    We're on the same page there. What you get with PC gaming over cloud gaming are "privileges" not necessarily granted by those rights, by virtue of having local access to the files. Similar rights, but not similar in practice.

    Way off the mark on the sort of games I play. :) There are so many great games these days that aren't that narrow depressing slice. Project CARS 2 is perhaps the worst exception in my PS4 library. Physical games on the Switch are fantastic and well worth the benefits.
     
    Last edited: Feb 10, 2020
    IngRobNy likes this.
  13. GT6mebe

    GT6mebe

    Messages:
    982
    The 360 never dominated the PS3 in marketshare. In every year the PS3 was on the market, it outsold the 360.

    Because who Azura host on their servers has nothing to do with Xbox lmao
    Phil is trying to conflate the Xbox division with something it is not.

    Azure's main competitors as Google and Amazon.
    Xbox's main competitors are Nintendo and Sony.

    Not hard.

    Please read the post properly. NPD sales are US only and launch month. NPD is used by the industry and allows us to compare sales because we get monthly reports.

    Use official sources verified by industry instead of random online websites. So yeah, 70% drop for Halo and a whooping 95% for Gears in the UK.
     
    IngRobNy likes this.
  14. SZRT Ice

    SZRT Ice

    Messages:
    463
    Location:
    United States
    Tribalism at it's finest. Whether it's sports, a city/state/country, rival fast food chains, Iphone vs Android, console wars, ethnicity wars, identity wars, political ideations, etc. It all comes down to an "us vs them" mentality w/ the ideal that "my way is the better way". It's simply a showcase of human nature on full display.
     
    Grand Prix likes this.
  15. ShakesMcQueen

    ShakesMcQueen

    Messages:
    684
    This is gonna be my last turn in the spin cycle:

    You like the NPD Group a lot? Okay.

    https://www.videogameschronicle.com...t-selling-ps4-and-xbox-one-games-of-all-time/

    That article was posted in September 2019, and lists the best-selling Xbox One exclusives, as provided by Matt Piscatella at the NPD Group (accurate as of August 2019). Halo 5 is at the top of that list.

    Industry verified!

    The NPD Group doesn't even factor in digital sales, because it has no simple way to. Digital sales now account for 80% of all video game sales in the UK by the way, since we love market research groups here at GTPlanet.

    Also, "industry verified" is a nonsensical thing tosay in the first place. Microsoft don't reveal hard sales data, and haven't for years. They also don't "verify" data collected by outside research groups.
     
    rhalgr and Silver Arrows like this.
  16. GTV0819

    GTV0819 (Banned)

    Messages:
    6,086
    And car brands or sports teams, too. Oh well.
     
  17. Terronium-12

    Terronium-12 Moderator

    Messages:
    26,609
    Location:
    United States
    Sweet Jesus. Except for maybe one or two other people, I have never seen such adamant goaltending and subsequent moving of the goalposts in my entire life. I don't have the patience or temperament to do this, so I'm backing out.

    I'll let others more patient than myself continue this conversation.
     
    rhalgr likes this.
  18. GTV0819

    GTV0819 (Banned)

    Messages:
    6,086
    You don't recognize that when the PS3 was launched in 2006, it initially had mediocre sales for the first few years due to its complicated Cell structure and lack of launch titles back then?
     
  19. Terronium-12

    Terronium-12 Moderator

    Messages:
    26,609
    Location:
    United States
    Don't bother. All of this is, again, reminding me why I stepped away from posting as much as I once did.
     
  20. Silver Arrows

    Silver Arrows Premium

    Messages:
    3,491
    Location:
    Canada
    Don't bother. This is the exact same thing that he's done, ad nauseum, for months.
     
    FoRiZon likes this.
  21. rhalgr

    rhalgr

    Messages:
    269
    Spencer is more than just Head of Xbox. He is responsible for everything gaming at MS and he talked about Cloud gaming. Not hard.

    Maybe next time the few other people sitting right beneath Nadella should tell Spencer sitting at the same table that fanboys think he is only responsible for Xbox and should only talk about Xbox. /s

    Nope. He never used the word xbox. You do, because you think Spencer responsibility is only Xbox. Which is false.
     
    Last edited: Feb 11, 2020
  22. GT6mebe

    GT6mebe

    Messages:
    982
    Cool I posted actual numbers.

    They do now and have for some time. They ask publishers for digital side.

    A lie. Publishers have regularly posted their digital numbers. Here is PS4's

    [​IMG]

    Anyway, digital isn't going to compensate for a 70-95% drop LMAO

    No it's not, it's how you know which source is reputable. MS stopped revealing sales data ever since PS4 demolished XB1. If you recall they initially did with the XB1 and did so with the 360.

    Again wrong. NPD is used by all publishers (MS, Sony, Nintendo, EA, Activision etc) on reporting North American sales.

    Try again.
     
  23. GT6mebe

    GT6mebe

    Messages:
    982
    A common misconception especially for those that live in the US.
    PS3 and 360 sales very close if you look at their FY and shipments. PS3 outsold the 360 through the years and was able to close the year gap the 360 had. There's a whole world out there, and while the 360 dominated in US and UK, the PS3 handily beat it in Europe and Japan.

    Again does not change this:

    Azure's main competitors as Google and Amazon.
    Xbox's main competitors are Nintendo and Sony.
     
    Last edited: Feb 11, 2020
  24. rhalgr

    rhalgr

    Messages:
    269
    Doesn't change that Spencer never said PS aren't competitors to Xbox.

    He was talking about MS, Sony, Nintendo, Google, Amazon in regards to gaming. And not about any divisions or brand.
     
    Last edited: Feb 11, 2020
  25. GT6mebe

    GT6mebe

    Messages:
    982
    I am simply saying an obvious reality, that you keep skirting around:

    Azure's main competitors as Google and Amazon.
    Xbox's main competitors are Nintendo and Sony.

    Xbox is not Azure.
    Xbox at its current state is struggling to compete with Playstation and even Nintendo.
     
  26. GTV0819

    GTV0819 (Banned)

    Messages:
    6,086
    Yet the Xbox 360 has a year ahead of release versus the PS3, I suppose?
     
  27. Snowcow

    Snowcow

    Messages:
    1
    While the complex nature of the Cell CPU impacted game development, from the perspective of consumers the initial slow sales probably had a lot more to do with poor marketing and "five-ninety-nine dollars" rather than the architecture of the CPU. The PS3 definitely rallied to finish the gen on a very similar sales number to the 360, not sure why people are getting upset at that statement.
     
  28. GTV0819

    GTV0819 (Banned)

    Messages:
    6,086
    Most likely. I think Sony is to blame for that but at least they were still able to catch up in sales during its lifetime.
     
  29. rhalgr

    rhalgr

    Messages:
    269
    What you are doing is derailing the topic to fit your argument about Spencer. Phil isn't trying anything. You are...
     
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2020
    GTV0819 likes this.
  30. FoRiZon

    FoRiZon

    Messages:
    8,461
    Fanboyism
    Fanboyism never dies.

    I hope both PS5 and XBox SeX will do well similiarly in service and performance so both can screw both of hardcore fandoms.

    (Sorry Xbox, your short name is kinda funny I couldnt help it to be honest.)