Mission 34 - Mercedes Mclaren SLR at Nurburgring

[chinko]

well you can wall ride on both so that makes them easy.

yes because thats the right way to do it isnt it . Tell you what, you come and Silver My S Licence for me since i cant be arsed doing it. with a DS2 aswell. and no wallriding.

 

[gt_masta]

silver what s license?
and I didn't wallrode because most of the time I just failed so I did it the good way 👍
AND BTW that should be a thread to talk about Mission 34, not saying who has the hardest version 💡

 

[chinko]

silver what s license?
and I didn't wallrode because most of the time I just failed so I did it the good way 👍
AND BTW that should be a thread to talk about Mission 34, not saying who has the hardest version 💡

S Licence. as in the whole shaboom.

and read

well you can wall ride on both so that makes them easy.

oh, and lets leave this to rest now. 34 is hard in all versions.

 

[gt_masta]

Do anyone have a video of a clean lap (no wallride or anything) on ntsc version just to see if someone actually made it( and to see if it's possible)
I just made It and I have 100%

 

[jdw]

S4: 2:15 PAL, 2:17 NTSC
S6: 0:55 PAL, 0:57 NTSC

That's four seconds already...

Ahhh... Costa di Amalfi in the Stratos RC and the Ice Arena in the Hyundai Accent RC are 2 secs harder in PAL? I was wondering why they were so easy to gold... as in getting gold by over 2 seconds on the first try.

Glad they fixed that in PAL! It was a little unbalanced.
Just like PD showed the foresight to reduce Mission #34 from difficulty level: insane to difficulty level: hard

Now if they fixed Suzuka (S12)... that would be helpful. On the other side of the coin... there's plenty of room to make IA-15 harder. Even IA-16 has room.

 

[gt_masta]

S-16 should be harder even in the demo run he kills the gold time by 8 sec

 

[coolacrille]

anyone positive on what tyres are on the SLR in the mission ?

 

[gt_masta]

sports medium
and btw you can see it in the replay

 

[coolacrille]

sports medium
and btw you can see it in the replay

haha. didn't think of that. thanks!! now I can go back to the endless practicing on Nordschleife...

 

[Dr_Watson]

The toughest part of this mission is possibly the wait. And that Our version is tougher. 8 seconds tougher. And considering that I can pull under + 8 sec with 2 penaltys. That makes me angry. And even more now that I am at 99.8 %.

actually its worse than that.
the PAL version is not only 8 seconds less wait... the Gullwing is slower, only need a 9'16 vs our 9'12
so in actuality, the NTSC test is 12 seconds harder.

closest i've gotten is a 9'13.198
yeah... heartbreaker... lost by +0.16xxx

its by no means impossible though... I had several mistakes that lap, i figure 9'10 is easily attainable.... but ahhh... the waiting. >:E

oh, and tip-wise... i've noticed something about the SLR's handeling.
It really likes to have the throttle on. (probably because of the high degree of ASM) Lifting off and coasting the corners like was said earlier, eats speed.
Its alot better to use 1/2 throttle. you'll keep a consistant speed, then after apex, ease back into full throttle... the car is much more stable that way, and has much higher corner speeds.

tip#2: in most situations the curbs are NOT your friend.
the ones in T1 are quite friendly, but everything after the anneberg (sp?) forest section its a good idea to keep 4 wheels on the pavement.

-> oh, and lawn mowing / rollercoastering is a pretty weak way to win this one.

 

[gt_masta]

yeah 9'10 is attainable but with a mistakeless lap, on the ring that's very tough.

 

[Kylehnat]

It's not as hard as you think, honestly!! Good luck!

Yes, it is.

The closest I've come is about 3 seconds back (couple of times). I've done countless laps on the Nurburgring, so I know the track well. (If you want to make The List on my S-16 license records, you have to be under 7:02.) I've bought an SLR for practice (REALLY didn't want to spend that much for a car with only one purpose....or did I....). In practice, I've been able to pull off about 10 laps "good" enough to beat mission 34 (below 7:05), but when I do the mission, it seems as though the car doesn't behave the same way. I'm pretty sure I've got the right tires on my practice car, and I haven't changed any of the settings, but the mission car seems to understeer more on corner entry. I guess I'll just have to sit down for a whole day and do mission 34 a billion times. And....wait.....2.....minutes......a......billion......times.....

I'm starting not to care though. I'll never get to 100% becuase of those damn rallies, anyway.

 

[gt_masta]

Ok First take the slr into arcade mode time trial on sports medium. then put asm and tcs ON. Now you should watch a video of someone doing it, watch where he passes them and take the line he needs to take to pass.(like on the karussel you can't take the right line so you'll need to pass him on the exterior) Hope that helps you and good luck

 

[Alavilla]

kylehnat, I think a sub 7:05 with SLR in free run isn't enough if you have the default tyres in the car. You should be able to get to 7:01's with the defaults. If you've bought the car then also buy the next level harder sport tyres to it. If you can make low 7:04's or better yet high 7:03's with those harder tyres you should be able to win the mission.

It's a different thing to do good laps in free run. Even if you are making them consecutively. The lap is very long and you have to have some margin so that you don't have to push on 105% level all the time. You should be able to do it on 99% level. That 1% makes it possible that you always know what you have to do.

My S-16 is on 6:58's if I remember it right.

 

[Dr_Watson]

I think the ASM on the mission hall car is higher than default.

and i think sub 7'05 should be fast enough

figure:
9'13.000 - 2'03.000 second wait = 7'10.000
now thats from a standing start, not a flying start... but due to how close the breaking for turn1 is, that can't possibly add more than 2 seconds.
and at 7'05 there is still 5 seconds of play.

Its the waiting that kills you though, that much sitting there ices you.
+ there's more pressure, since you know in the back of your head if you go off-line you have to wait again.

Its terribly unfortunate, this would be an amazingly fun mission if it wasn't for the stupidity of PD's programmers.

 

[Alavilla]

I have a different opinion about the time needed between a flying lap and the actual lap in the mission. At least for a middle pack player like me who needs lots of time to get the maximum out from any lap I run.

Think about a traditional OLR event with the two wheel rules etc. Think about the difference between a flying lap in free run and the flying lap in the actual race. It's not unusual that there's a difference of over one second (or even two) between those laps. And usually before the Ring the lap times have been between one minute and two minutes. One lap in this mission takes seven minutes which is more like a three, four or even five lap race on the shorter tracks.

Yes, you don't have to stay on the track in the mission if you don't want to. But if you drive too carelessly you'll get those penalties and at least for me even one penalty will kill my run. So it's almost like running an OLR run. The pressure is there as you said.

Assuming that this is like an OLR run and also assuming that you're about one second slower per minute in an OLR race than in free run means that you'll be seven seconds slower in this mission than in free run.

When you have 7:10 for the actual run (or 7:08 if we assume that the standing start takes 2 seconds more) the conclusion above means that you have to make 7:01 or better in free run to have a margin big enough to win this one.



I agree that the wait time makes this mission a torture.

If I use the PC to play GT4 (through a TV card) I usually just listen the game and when I hear the last AI car to start I click the TV card window to be on the top. Until that I surf the net or watch other channels on TV (the sounds comes directly to my earphones from PS2 cable and not through the TV card).

 

[Bman529]

hey yall im a new member here and ive only got about 33% done i am stuck in the game right now, unable to win the gt world championship. i need to beat this mission so i can get the car and move on with the game. I have already completed all license test and all the other driving missions. The toyota 7 race car is not enough to move me on. Any tips for beating this stupid Mission 34?

 

[Bman529]

im on my way to football practice but ill be back later

 

[jdw]

hey yall im a new member here and ive only got about 33% done i am stuck in the game right now, unable to win the gt world championship. i need to beat this mission so i can get the car and move on with the game. I have already completed all license test and all the other driving missions. The toyota 7 race car is not enough to move me on. Any tips for beating this stupid Mission 34?

Yes... I have some advice. Come back to it much later.
If you can't win the GTWC, you sure as hell aren't ready to tackle this mission.

 

[Bman529]

You didnt understand me. I meant i dont have the car to let me win GTWC.
I beat the entire GT3. and yes i did get the rocket car.

 

[jdw]

You didnt understand me. I meant i dont have the car to let me win GTWC.
I beat the entire GT3. and yes i did get the rocket car.

I understood you.

There are numerous cars to win GTWC with.

 

[Bman529]

my plan to beat the game is simple. beat mission 34, use that car to win the fuji 1000, and then finally use the R92CP to do whats left.

 

[Bman529]

my ride is here, talk 2 u l8r around 8 45

 

[Dr_Watson]

what he's saying is that if you can't beat gtwc with a slower car than the r92, you will have even more problems with this mission.
you're better off just practicing and trying to beat the gtwc with one of the 200 or so cars in the game that are fast enough.

 

[Kylehnat]

kylehnat, I think a sub 7:05 with SLR in free run isn't enough if you have the default tyres in the car. You should be able to get to 7:01's with the defaults. If you've bought the car then also buy the next level harder sport tyres to it. If you can make low 7:04's or better yet high 7:03's with those harder tyres you should be able to win the mission.

It's a different thing to do good laps in free run. Even if you are making them consecutively. The lap is very long and you have to have some margin so that you don't have to push on 105% level all the time. You should be able to do it on 99% level. That 1% makes it possible that you always know what you have to do.

My S-16 is on 6:58's if I remember it right.

No, a 7:05 in the free run is about equivalent to beating the mission. It doesn't matter what you CAN do with the default tires, 7:05 is the magic number, I figure. I know the track well (S-16 time of 6:59), but I think my main problem is when I do the mission, I push slightly too hard going into corners, and that eventually does me in somewhere in the lap. The 2 minute wait also deters me from trying this mission several times in a row, which is probably what i need to do.

I hope the SLR isn't as horribly balanced in real life as it is in the game, becuase it seems like a really crappy "supercar."

 

[Bman529]

I am not as bad as you think i am dr. watson. i simply want the car. And i do not spend all day playing this game.

 

[Bman529]

Somebody has got to help me here, i can't even come in 5th! what the hell!

 

[Bman529]

what he's saying is that if you can't beat gtwc with a slower car than the r92, you will have even more problems with this mission.
you're better off just practicing and trying to beat the gtwc with one of the 200 or so cars in the game that are fast enough.

What other cars wood you suggest?

 

[Alavilla]

kylehnat Ok, it seems that you know the track well enough.

If you try to drive SLR the same way as you did with the car in S-16 you'll have problems. Pushing this car too hard to the curves makes it difficult because that's what the car least needs. It understeers badly when you're standing on the brakes.

I think you have to do runs in the row. Do some runs and just try to watch the braking point indicator (red light on the screen I mean) and put the places where it goes on (or starts to blink) into your mind.

If you wait on until the light comes on before braking you are too late.

You have to be on the brakes when the light comes on. Then you can release the brakes earlier and step on the gas much earlier. Slow in - fast out is what makes the thing happen.

If you use DS2 pad it maybe hard to use partial gas (= not "stepping" on the gas though I used the word). With a wheel it's easier to handle. There are some curves where partial gas is better than full gas or even better than "on-off-on-off-on" with the button.

 

[RedWolfRacer]

I tried this mission a good eight times in a row and the seventh time I came to about four seconds behind with a clean lap minus one time where I went a little too far outside on a corner. Methinks I coulda had it if it weren't for that.

I'll keep you updated but the first and most important thing is knowing the track. I've never driven the SLR McLaren before then and it didn't take me too long to get used to it really. Yes it's unstable at high speeds but all non-race cars are. So just learn the track.