Mitsubishi Evo X is the last Evo

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I'm not sure if you are aware of the existence of the 2011 Mustang, (not even talking about the Boss 302 version,) suspension so "soft" that it gets compared to the M3...which also has a huge V8 with extremely similar hp/tq, but worse mpg.
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Yes, the suspensions is soft. Go drive one. There is a bit of side lean and when you slam the brakes, awful nose dive. Nothing better shocks and springs can't fix.
No, the M3 does not have a huge V8 nor does it have comparable TQ, yet it still somehow manages almost the same performance.

As for track times, I'd like to know what conditions they were all ran under.
 
All times are from the same magazine. I couldn't comment on conditions.

edit: To be honest, I couldn't give two craps about American vs Euro cars, and I don't care if anyone else does either. It does annoy the heck out of me that people constantly say "it's the same old technology" when it's obviously not.
 
You have to realize that other than the 2011 stang, newer vettes(even though they use leaf springs), it is the same old tech.
I like the new mustang as I think it's ridiculously cheap for what you get power wise but it's that cheap cause corners had to be cut somewhere. Interior wise, I really couldn't care less about leather made from Papal cows or whatever.
 
eSZee
You have to realize that other than the 2011 stang, newer vettes(even though they use leaf springs), it is the same old tech.
I like the new mustang as I think it's ridiculously cheap for what you get power wise but it's that cheap cause corners had to be cut somewhere. Interior wise, I really couldn't care less about leather made from Papal cows or whatever.
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On interiors, I don't get why the mustang always gets ragged on. Obviously it's nowhere near as nice as an M3, but neither is the STi or Evo. Those things are crap boxes inside. If you want cheap speed, you're getting cheap speed. Otherwise you're getting a slower, "nicer" car, or a much more expensive package, like the M3.
 
I agree, on most points.
The Evo and STI get crap for the interiors a lot but people just don't care. They are based on cheap econo boxes but are pretty much upgraded everywhere, sans dash are materials. Ford has come a long way but only because a decade ago their interiors were appalling.
At the end of the day, people choose to buy M3s and S4a and all that expensive stuff because they are just amazing things to be in and to some that is what matters.
 
eSZee
I agree, on most points.
The Evo and STI get crap for the interiors a lot but people just don't care. They are based on cheap econo boxes but are pretty much upgraded everywhere, sans dash are materials. Ford has come a long way but only because a decade ago their interiors were appalling.
At the end of the day, people choose to buy M3s and S4a and all that expensive stuff because they are just amazing things to be in and to some that is what matters.
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Don't get me wrong, given the choice I'd take an S4 over a Boss 302, no question. I bought the car with the worst performance numbers in the segment because the interior was miles better and I spend more time commuting than autox-ing.

If I wanted a pure performance car for weekends and track days though, Boss 302 would win for me over a bmw/audi of comparable price. They're just different cars, no one buys an Evo because it's comfy and nice to be in.
 
eSZee
You have to realize that other than the 2011 stang, newer vettes(even though they use leaf springs), it is the same old tech.
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Yeah but compared to 40-50 years ago, with chassis rigidity and all that good stuff, along with advancements in design and use of these supension systems, it's not really the same.
 
Just read on Autocar that there will be another Evo, but it's not going to be an Evo as we know it...

Autocar understands that the next Evo will switch to a diesel-electric hybrid powertrain, designed to save the car from tightening economy and emissions regs, while preserving its trademark mid-range shove.

Engineers hope that the mix of clean-diesel torque and electric motor assistance will allow the Evo XI to deliver a 0-62mph time of under five seconds, yet cut CO2 emissions to well under 200g/km.

A diesel powered Evo, whatever next :lol:
 
Luminis
It basically is. It's walking corpse, so to speak. A diesel hybrid 'performance' car... :lol:
The only thing that lives on is the name, not the spirit.
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High powered diesels can be sporty...just look at Golf TDi's and BMW 335d's.
But hybrids aren't sporty. Just look at the Honda CR-Z. 👎
 
GT_Prologue5
High powered diesels can be sporty...just look at Golf TDi's and BMW 335d's.
But hybrids aren't sporty. Just look at the Honda CR-Z. 👎
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I'm not saying that diesels can't be sporty. But, usually, diesels aren't exactly used as sporty cars. I mean, the Golf GTD is a somewhat sporty car, but it's no GTI.
Now, combine a diesel which (in my opinion) is still less sporty than a gasoline powered car with a hybrid (which is always less sporty than a similar non-hybrid in my opinion) and you're left with... Well, with what seems like the unholy offspring of a Prius and the Evo.

Seriously, Mitsubishi should put it out of its misery.
 
If they put a high performance Diesel...

Like the MINI Cooper SD, Golf GTD...Is not like the S or the GTi, but it does the job very well...

The problem is that Diesel sounds like a Hilux pick-up truck or a Merc Taxi from Germany...
 
Sound isn't a problem, having a very small rev range and a small powerband could get annoying really quick. I've rented trucks before to haul stuff and having a 4500 redline downright irritating.

That Colt Evo we were talking about some weeks ago sure sounds much better right now.
 
Caio_Reinhardt
Like the MINI Cooper SD, Golf GTD...Is not like the S or the GTi, but it does the job very well...
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The diesels do a good job as being a second rate car to their gasoline counterpart.
Either way, all that's left of the original Lancer Evo would probably be the AWD. Don't get me wrong, a diesel hybrid Evo would be a nice addition, a nice second rate counterpart to the gasoline powered Evo... But that's it.
 
GT_Prologue5
High powered diesels can be sporty...just look at Golf TDi's and BMW 335d's.
But hybrids aren't sporty. Just look at the Honda CR-Z. 👎
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Or look at the new Infiniti Hybrid, or the Porsche concepts and race cars. 👍
A smidge more power and better suspension would make the CR-Z just fine.
 
I still think that a hybrid done right could be a perfectly fine sporty car. The problem with current hybrids is that they are designed to save polar bears instead of be driven. The 918 and i8 seem to have a lot of potential and I believe they could prove that hybrids can in fact be sporty cars. And if they use a diesel engine as a range extender and have an electric drive system (like the Volt), I see no problems. Tesla has proven you can make a sporty electric car and the diesel happens to be a great range extender. And you'll never need it as a performance engine.
 
My friends laughed at me when I said that there would be no more Evolutions. They drive GC8s and '07 WRXs. It's hard when you have an Evo and your friends have WRXs. The Evo(9) is sexy, so it's all good, haha.
 
So , it had to end with the 10. pretty sure the 8 and 9 were the quickest versions in FQ GSR form. Mitsubishi had a good run from the Evo 3 so from 1994 basically. Mitsubishi are not in the WRC anymore so a new Evo wouldn't be right i think , it wouldn't have any pedigree like the previous versions. The worst thing is Subaru will probably go the same way :(
 
Stotty
Engineers hope that the mix of clean-diesel torque and electric motor assistance will allow the Evo XI to deliver a 0-62mph time of under five seconds, yet cut CO2 emissions to well under 200g/km.[/B][/I]
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...and weigh at least 4000lb. :(
 
Don't get me wrong, petrol engines are better at sporty at the moment, but BMW have shown us that sportier diesels are possible.

As to the hybrid powertrains, the Fisker Karma certainly looks promising.

The other thing to remember is that downsizing is also an current trend. Lower capacity, but bigger performance. Think VW TSI engines and FIAT Twinair (105bhp from an 800cc twin engine).

A 200bhp Colt Evo 1.4 turbo hydrid, anyone?

Actually, a 250bhp, 50mpg diesel lancer based Evo would also appeal to me!
 

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