Monaco Grand Prix

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east
Right, its all in the past now, anyone still angry at him for those things should hurry up and get over it real fast, he's not going to be arround for much longer, I used to hate the guy myself but I got over it, I plan to enjoy watching him race in the remainder of his career, he deserves all of our respect, he's the greatest driver in the history of Formula 1, PERIOD.
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Well i'll be :) Go East!! I agree with you 100%
 
At the bottom of your posts you will find an edit button. Please try to use that rather than posting 5 times in a row. Posting twice in a row is frowned upon in these parts. :)


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5000th Post!!!!
 
@ miss_schu: you can (and should!) edit your posts if you want to add additional information. Making 5 posts in a row is not very nice.
And here's another thing: it's totally acceptable to be a fan of MS, but you shouldn't follow him, or anybody at all, blindfolded. Of course you can doubt that what he did in Monaco was on purpose, but for me it seems that you doubt it because it was MS, and that's not a good basis to start from.

Regards
the Interceptor
 
I wonder if miss_schu likes Ralf too. :p

miss_schu
Exactly, why would he! Schumi is innocent!!
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As stated somewhere earlier, probably because he's scared, no way did he have pole secured by then, Alonso complained he lost time, Webber complained he lost 0.3 of a second which is probably an overestimate, but still it shows that Schumacher's pole was under fire.

He kinda reminds me of a bad loser? Drivers are now matching him and (in Kimi and Fernando's case) supassing him, he of course wants to go out at the top, but the longer he leaves it, the harder it is going to get.
 
I don't really understand why we should stop caring just because the race has been over for a few days. If he was innocent, it's a major setback. If he was guilty, it's still interesting. Plus we get to go over the accident footage like the Zapruder film.
 
miss_schu
Michael came 5th not 4th! Did you watch the race?
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In 2004, when he crashed in the tunnel behind the safety car. It's also just occured to me that he drove back to the pits and didn't park it anywhere, so of course he'd keep his helmet on :dunce: :D
 
kylehnat
Apparently Willie Weber is not happy just sitting on his ass, making 10%...
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So that's it, the stewards judgement at Monaco was biased becaused one of them is from Spain...

:lol:

I guess Willi Weber, Luca Di Montezemolo's and the rest of Ferrari's staff don't have a biased opinion on these matters. The fact that they are about the only ones in the sport currently criticizing that ruling is, well, a mere coincidence.

Good one Willi. 👍
 
Messages received loud and clear!

Bee: Ralf Schumacher - how did you guess?

Roo: I was not talking about MS! I was talking about KR leaving his helmet on in Monaco when he retired from the race!

the Interceptor: You have you're opinions and I have mine!
 
Okay, as I promised, I looked at the footage of MS "parking" at the Rascasse again. With good video quality material, it is clearly visible that Michaels right front wheel was not locked up anymore when he turned left for the second time. It is correct that it did lock up during his actions, but at the time he turned left again at 10mph, a figure provided by the stewards based on Ferrari telemetry data by the way, his front wheels were rolling again, and the car was turning into the corner perfectly fine. As a result, there was no need for the final manoeuvre that made him stop in the curve.

@ miss_schu: you're right, and I accept that. I just wanted to express that it is not good to believe every word a person says just because it is that very person. Trust is good, but knowledge is better.

Regards
the Interceptor
 
Wow, is this discussing still going on??

No insult intended to anyone, just a remark. :)
 
Gabkicks
i finally saw the race :D...

i think schumacher accidentally turned in too early and since he screwed up that corner he made a split second decision to stay in that spot...
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coughcoughcough:)
 
I still firmly believe that miss_schu is actually Schumacher himself.

*wags his finger* Nobody believes you, Michael, so just give up and admit it! XD
 
Famine
The thing Schumacher - and Todt - do well is test the rules to breaking point - and beyond. BAR tried it once, but failed miserably. Problem is that they suck out all sense of sportsmanship from F1, and turn it into a competition to see who can cheat the most while still being technically legal.

Psychologists would tell you that most top-line drivers have a peculiar brain disorder which renders them incapable of feeling guilt, which is what makes them winners - they'll do whatever it takes to get the job done - something they have in common with the worst of the worst psychopaths. Clarkson's questioning of Schumacher about the Hill and Villeneuve incidents showed that he really doesn't feel he did anything wrong in either case. He has apologised for at least the Villeneuve one (I don't know if he has for the Hill one) but there's absolutely no doubt that it wasn't sincere - he was apologising for being caught.

He's probably one of the most focussed out there, and has a team behind him with the same mindset - win at all costs, thou shalt not get caught. I'd be willing to bet thay have a whole team on the payroll just for combing the FIA rulebook for loopholes and testing them out. The Monaco qualifying incident was just the latest test. But it's always the same - make some rules and someone will try to find a way around them, or straight through the unwritten ones.

Does this make Schumacher a bad person? Maybe. Would F1 be better off without him? Well, it'd be more interesting, but without people willing to test and bend the rules it might be less of a spectacle.
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This is a QP ^.

It is a well-known fact that Schuey made his F1 debut in a Jordan at the BelgianGP & he also tested for them at Spa. His absence of a guilt gland allowed him to switch to the Benetton team the very next race.

This was the 1992 season. Jordan was a very nascent team indeed having just entered the fray in the previous, 1991, season. They had been forced, due to credit-brokering as they trawled for sponsors, to adopt the usage of a Yamaha V12 for the '92, as Ford's V8 being the trusted therefore pricey unit they used to launch the team in their own chassis had to be dropped.
The V12 of Yamaha's was rumoured to be developed with a roadgoing supercar in mind. Jordan had'nt a whole bunch of cash to get their car blown inthe Windtunnel, nor could they afford to modify the chassis a load. The V12 was fixed in the same wheelbase with inadequate cooling. Atop that it had to yield a higher rev range beyond delivery's in a short space of time. It was failures central.

When Jordan switched to the British-made Hart V10 the following season, they managed some quite good results w/ a certain Reubens Barrichello at the wheel. Which goes to prove that it is worthwhile to hang in in Business as setbacks such as Treacherous Mike or Exploding Yamahas will not outlast true ingenuity.

Ile have to dig up the pics of M.Schumacher in the 7up Jordan cockpit & the one of the (v.long) Yamaha V12 plant.

(:D)
 

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