Most needed update - Cheats

[Mr. Premium]

I think I have one. Don't get me wrong, I understand where you are coming from: An awful lot of the stuff in the game is far too expensive for what it does (for example, 95% of the used cars), and PD also took questionable steps to completely destroy the ability to get meaningful amounts of money in races. These combined create a need to constantly grind even worse than it was in GT3.

However, I think what should instead be done is a complete re-balancing of the game's credit system (slashing used cars prices, allowing prize cars to be won more than once, and generally restoring things to how they were in GT2 and GT4 would be a good start) rather than anything in the way of cheats. Implementing cheats to fix something that shouldn't be a problem in the first place is a lazy way to go about fixing said problem, and not one that helps out the people who don't want to use them even if they did solve the problem (like me).

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[iLex]

My first reaction was a solid "no". Cheats in GT? Never!

But then I thought about it some more. The addition of cheats to games has never ruined my experience (as I don't use them).
If it helps other players enjoy the game more, who am I to say that it shouldn't be implemented?
The only people who might 'suffer' from the implementation of cheats are the people with no, or little, self-restraint.

The use of a cheat should cut you off from gaining any trophies that you would have had a much harder time gaining without the cheats, though. Most games with cheats do that as far as I know.
In regard to onine racing. I don't care how people got their cars, as long as they drive fairly. It can be argued that there will be more uncapable drivers in high end cars when cheating is possible, but that is something I don't know for sure.

For now, B-spec is a great way to get cars. Let's hope for an early implementation of the online management of races

 

[sesselpupser]

It's been said before, I'm sure, but:

I understand where you're coming from (OP), but the fact is GT5 is a racing sim RPG, whereas other games like Grid (maybe) and Forza 3 (definitely) are much more quickly paced than GT5, in that you get into faster cars more quickly. That said, do one or two special events, particularly the Karting ones (because they're quick and easy) and licenses, which take between 20 and 60 seconds of your time each, and you'll have enough money and a high enough level for a Lancer Evo VI Tommi Makinen Edition, and if that's still slower than your half decent road car, I want to know what you're driving! If that's no good, get a different game.

You wouldn't ask for cheats for Final Fantasy and you stayed away because it takes too long, but unfortunately GT5, to me, is more or less the same thing except with cars instead of... Whatever Final Fantasy has.

Or if you get to the Professional races, do the British Lightweight London 3 lap race and get 24,100 for each time you finish, takes like 3 and a half minutes per race and the payout is pretty good considering how easy it is.

 

[highlightshadow]

I know GT5 is meant to be a slow burn game but the amount of grinding and leveling required is kinda a little ott...

I'm like the OP, can only play this game for a few precious hours a week ... i will keep coming back to this game and do appreciate its progression but its very sad to know that i'll simply never (or at least not for a ridiculous long time) play the jewels of the game like the RedBull X1 ...

I too don't mind being banned from playing online with any 'ill gotten gains' but at least i would love to be able to play the top-end cars at some point in arcade mode.

Just because I can't play the amount of time that some 'hard core' players can does that make me less entitled to the content on a disk i paid just as much money for as anyone else?

I have played the GT series since day 1, i started playing them when i was fresh out of university and had loads of spare time and did play the likes of GT2 for years ... kept coming back and eventually legitimately hit the high 90%'s (can't remember now) but fast-forward today, i have a job out-of-town with long hours and carrying the PS3 with me is impractical... at weekends i want to spend most of my time with my wife and son (toddler) and only get to play GT5 after he's gone to bed and then maybe get a couple hours ....

At least in the past i knew that maybe after a few months i could pop in a 100% save-game file and enjoy the game to its fullest ... yes i do the license tests and as much of the progression as i can in GT5 but grinding a single race for 50x to get enough to buy car 'x' is just not what i want to spend that time on.... so yeah ... i hope that maybe in 1H 2011 PD/Sony allow us to 'buy' an unlock like so many other games have in the past.

I don't want it unlocked today but hopefully within 6 months while my enjoyment remains.

 

[Stephen220378]

I'm neither for nor against it. I don't use any cheats in any game myself, I feel it ruins the game and the enjoyment of finishing a game without any help. If people want to use them then fair enough, that's their choice. Maybe PD could release DLC for people like yourself that unlocks all cars and gives you an obscene amount of credits, there's a few games that do similar to that like Battlefield Bad Company 2 for people who want access to all weapons without unlocking them.

 

[korix]

First, when did I ever say anything even remotely like "no noteworthy cars in their real life garage"? Nor did I say "people who pass it have no life". Neither were ever even so much as implied, so I'd get your facts straight before you lecture me.

Second, I don't want people to side with me - thats the whole point. I want the game changed in way that effects no one (unlocking Arcade Mode). If you don't want to play Arcade, you don't have. If you do, its there.

That's what I don't get. I'm not trying to force you guys into anything, or saying the game is rubbish. I just don't have as much time as others (now before you get emotional again, that was NOT to be read as an insult) and to be honest, even if I did, I couldn't see myself ever getting 100%, I have the attention span of an 8 year old.

Seriously though, why do you even bother writing here, when all you do is bitch and complain about how others that are more time constrained than you want a simple change to the Arcade Mode that would have zero effect on you ?

Oh how I love it when people try to copy my manner of speaking, in an attempt to seem funny, or get back at me.

Anyway, there are no facts to be found in here. So obviously, you do need a lecturing, thinking this is about facts.
What you wrote, which I made bold in my first reply, is nothing about facts, it's simply about understanding what's written, and whats meant by it.
Clearly, it was an ill meant comment on those who have gotten far in the game, which I am not part of, so so much for thinking I'm getting emotional, even when the first thing I wrote was a sarcastic comment (which in your book is emotional, some how).

To refresh your memory, this is what you wrote:
those that did grind away their life in the career mode can still feel pride in knowing what they have achieved, without questioned what's in someone's garage.

Grinding away their lives?
Still "feeling pride" over a game, not thinking of their real life status (as in, what car they currently have in the real life garage - something you must obviously have excelled at, not "feeling pride" over a simple game).

So there we have it. You did say those thing.
Would it be appropriate for me to tell you to get your own facts straight now?

And if the whole point of writing here, is to not get people to side with you, which is exactly what you just wrote, then what is the point of writing here? If you want a game feature implemented, surely the best way of doing so, would be to get enough people to side with you, to get the developers attention, to get it implemented in the game?

I'm not gonna bother continuing our nice little "bitching" endings, or tell you not to get emotional again, and pretend that wasn't the insult itself, which you clearly did - which you will probably tell me you never said, even though it's right up there.
Instead I'll simply go play GT5, with the tons of free time I have, which in your book equals me not being successful in life, having a crap car in my garage, because I'm not as busy earning big bucks as you are.
So you can safely ignore this posts, telling yourself that your precious time if worth far too much to be caring about a silly forum discussion.

Oh, and if you do reply, please tell me how emotional I've gotten over this, because of how long my post was. (which is clearly proportional)

/s

 

[drlukas]

Let's suggest cheats I agree! No time to spend on game I have 3 children. Just drive and drive as possible.

 

[Tommy_861]

Just to toss some fuel on this fire did any of you buy God Of War or Assassins Creed and expect to be able to start up the game, jump to the last boss and watch the ending movie (and all the movies in between)? No I didn't think so. So why do you expect every car in the game that you have to earn to be immediately available to play for you from the get-go? There has to be some incentive for people to actually play through the career mode.

"I paid for 72 tracks at 1000 cars I should get them" Well if you bought God Of War III you paid for 20 levels filled with baddies who want to kick your ass, but since you paid for them the Bad Guys should just lay down their weapons and let you win.... So you can get all your levels.

Seriously.....

PS - Cheats eh whatever if they are there and you want to use them thats your thing I think its a waste. Hopefully it prevents you from using the cars and tracks online so high level races don't get populated with low level drivers in Toyota 88CVs. I'm saying this more along the lines of PD should not cater to this by just selling the game with everything wide open and unlocked.

 

[Exorcet]

Just to toss some fuel on this fire did any of you buy God Of War or Assassins Creed and expect to be able to start up the game, jump to the last boss and watch the ending movie (and all the movies in between)?

Of course I didn't expect that. Game devs are apparently too close minded to offer it as an option. Entering a code to beat GT is acceptable. Entering a code to beat God of War is acceptable. It's not my business how someone else plays their game. And it's not your business how I play mine.

It doesn't matter what game, "cheats" are perfectly welcome.

"I paid for 72 tracks at 1000 cars I should get them" Well if you bought God Of War III you paid for 20 levels filled with baddies who want to kick your ass, but since you paid for them the Bad Guys should just lay down their weapons and let you win.... So you can get all your levels.

Invalid. I don't play God of War, and it doesn't have online. And if I did play GoW, and I happened to like single player, there is nothing contradicatory about enjoying playing GoW "properly" and "cheating" in GT5.

The argument is even more invalid because the proper analogy would be entering a cheat to have a GoW level selecter. What you are describing is a cheat that would make AI cars park on the side of the road. You don't benefit your point with bias, unintentional or not.

 

[ItsHim]

So why do you expect every car in the game that you have to earn to be immediately available to play for you from the get-go? There has to be some incentive for people to actually play through the career mode.

Not for me. Going in a car round circles on an rather dull racetrack is the dumbest setting I can think of for any game.

Yet I'm perfectly happy doing just that.

There's no story to be told, no princess, who happens to be in another castle anyway, to be rescued. The dog doesn't die in the end nor are you avenging any crimes in bullet-time.

Rockstar soved the problem with using cheats that you'll never get 100% but stay at 99,xx%. For those who care, so they can still brag

So pretty please, I want the cars I paid for I am going to pay for.

 

[Tommy_861]

Of course I didn't expect that. Game devs are apparently too close minded to offer it as an option. Entering a code to beat GT is acceptable. Entering a code to beat God of War is acceptable. It's not my business how someone else plays their game. And it's not your business how I play mine.

It doesn't matter what game, "cheats" are perfectly welcome.



Invalid. I don't play God of War, and it doesn't have online. And if I did play GoW, and I happened to like single player, there is nothing contradicatory about enjoying playing GoW "properly" and "cheating" in GT5.

The argument is even more invalid because the proper analogy would be entering a cheat to have a GoW level selecter. What you are describing is a cheat that would make AI cars park on the side of the road. You don't benefit your point with bias, unintentional or not.

Thanks for attacking my post without reading the whole thing. At the end I said hey if theres a cheat code or something thats fine, your thing not mine, so if someone wants to go out and intentionally cheat and maybe then as "ItsHim" said it prevents you from completing 100% or maybe from using everything online or getting trophies or something thats fine. But if you look through the posts in this thread theres many who believe the game should have been made this way (as in you buy it from the store, no codes at all and you can access every car in Arcade mode). When its handed to you like that its like; whats the point?

 

[Exorcet]

Thanks for attacking my post without reading the whole thing. At the end I said hey if theres a cheat code or something thats fine, your thing not mine, so if someone wants to go out and intentionally cheat and maybe then as "ItsHim" said it prevents you from completing 100% or maybe from using everything online or getting trophies or something thats fine. But if you look through the posts in this thread theres many who believe the game should have been made this way (as in you buy it from the store, no codes at all and you can access every car in Arcade mode).

I read your entire post.

When its handed to you like that its like; whats the point?

Fun.

 

[turbomp301]

Let's move the discussion away from whether cheats should or shouldn't be in the game.

For those that want cheats, what cheat do you want?

I would simply like a money cheat.

Free money to buy the cars available to buy and help get the prize cars. If you can't get the prize cars with endless fonds, then I would argue you might not deserve them.

 

[rktsci]

I'm a complete GT noob but I have to agree with the OP. Like the OP I don't have much time to devote to my gaming and would love to be able to experience all of the cars and tracks that I believe I am entitled to while in the offline arcade mode.

As i said, I am a GT noob and wasn't expecting to have to have a 2nd career away from my real office to get everything out of this game. As i read through the entire thread before posting I've seen many responses saying that if you can't devote the time than don't play or try NFS, DIRT (or some other piece of crap arcade racer) but those games don't provide the level of detail and simulation that GT and I want. I think its frustrating that I may never get to a point to drive the Veyron or the Red Bull X1 because my skill level may not be there or that I don't want to throw down more money for a steering wheel setup to gain that extra thousandth of a second to complete a challenge.

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[ckenaan]

Since I dont have time to RTFF Im Not sure if this was asked or if it was answered... but wouldnt cheats have an effect on the online gameplay? glitching and what not? Just a thought..

 

[Tommy_861]

I read your entire post.



Fun.

No, you apparently didn't because in the end I said cheating was OK if thats your thing and you proceeded to attack anyway. Maybe I worded it incorrectly, what I meant was do you get a game like GoW and you start it up and every level is accessible immediately. Then what is the point? Theres no challenge, theres no discovery. You are missing the GAME part.

There needs to be limits too, like using the cars online and stuff. The minority are the people that want to play like that, for them there are cheats, but just because YOU like it like that doesn't mean you can ruin it for the rest of us. Why would I ever want to bother to work at the game to get better cars when then I take them online and some putz who has the game one day has the same car, blocks up the track with it, and can't complete a lap without bouncing off the wall. (just as an example)

If theres a cheat out there fine, but I don't agree with handing people everything on a silver platter. It may make it "Fun" for you, but it cheapens the experience for the rest of the world that wants to enjoy the game as it was intended by the developers. There needs to be limits too, like using the cars online and stuff or the ability to get Trophies or 100%. The minority are the people that want to play like that, for them there are cheats, but just because YOU like it like that doesn't mean you can ruin it for the rest of us.

 

[Exorcet]

No, you apparently didn't because in the end I said cheating was OK if thats your thing and you proceeded to attack anyway. Maybe I worded it incorrectly, what I meant was do you get a game like GoW and you start it up and every level is accessible immediately. Then what is the point? Theres no challenge, theres no discovery. You are missing the GAME part.

The game is perfectly in tact. All the levels are open. Now you can spend hours trying to beat them. That's where the fun comes from. Do you instantly toss a game after you've beat it? Unlocking things hardly matters at all. It's the gameplay that makes you keep coming back. GT5's gameplay is burried under tedious boring monotony.

There needs to be limits too, like using the cars online and stuff.

Why? As long as what someone does doesn't effect someone else, it's fine.

The minority are the people that want to play like that, for them there are cheats, but just because YOU like it like that doesn't mean you can ruin it for the rest of us. Why would I ever want to bother to work at the game to get better cars when then I take them online and some putz who has the game one day has the same car, blocks up the track with it, and can't complete a lap without bouncing off the wall. (just as an example)

I don't know why you would not enjoy unlocking cars if everyone else had access to them. I thought the unlocking part was supposed to be fun. If unlocking is fun, you should enjoy it regardless.

If people can't drive online, boot them from your room. It's that simple. Perhaps people would be able to concentrate more on learning to drive if they didn't need to bother with GT life.

If theres a cheat out there fine, but I don't agree with handing people everything on a silver platter. It may make it "Fun" for you, but it cheapens the experience for the rest of the world that wants to enjoy the game as it was intended by the developers. There needs to be limits too, like using the cars online and stuff or the ability to get Trophies or 100%. The minority are the people that want to play like that, for them there are cheats, but just because YOU like it like that doesn't mean you can ruin it for the rest of us.

I just don't see it. Nothing that I'm asking for will negatively impact you. And if it does, it's probably the result of poor game design [ie, the hypothetical field of Red Bull X1's vs Mini Cooper. The obvious problem is lack of common sense on the online game design, but of course the blame would go to people "cheating" even though it has nothing to do with it. BTW, everyone who picks up the game has the Zonda R for online racing. Why haven't I heard complaints?]. I've already taken everyone else's wishes into account. In fact, I'm the one who should be arguing for others to drop their "selfishness". I don't care one ounce about GT mode. I can get what I want without impacting you. Why should you be against me?



EDIT

You are also wrong to assume that anyone who wants to bypass GT mode can't drive/is a novice. I've grinded through every GT in the series besides the PSP and JP concept versions. I've probably earned over 1,000,000,000 credits and 1,000's of cars. But I have to put up with all of the nonsense again. I just want to play the game.

 

[Tommy_861]

The game is perfectly in tact. All the levels are open. Now you can spend hours trying to beat them. That's where the fun comes from. Do you instantly toss a game after you've beat it? Unlocking things hardly matters at all. It's the gameplay that makes you keep coming back. GT5's gameplay is burried under tedious boring monotony.

The fun doesn't just come from that. Maybe for you it does but you aren't everyone, why should the game cater to JUST YOU. The fun for me and most others comes from discovering new things that i can't just skip to if I get frustrated.

Why? As long as what someone does doesn't effect someone else, it's fine.



I don't know why you would not enjoy unlocking cars if everyone else had access to them. I thought the unlocking part was supposed to be fun. If unlocking is fun, you should enjoy it regardless.

If people can't drive online, boot them from your room. It's that simple. Perhaps people would be able to concentrate more on learning to drive if they didn't need to bother with GT life.



I just don't see it. Nothing that I'm asking for will negatively impact you. And if it does, it's probably the result of poor game design [ie, the hypothetical field of Red Bull X1's vs Mini Cooper. The obvious problem is lack of common sense on the online game design, but of course the blame would go to people "cheating" even though it has nothing to do with it. BTW, everyone who picks up the game has the Zonda R for online racing. Why haven't I heard complaints?]. I've already taken everyone else's wishes into account. In fact, I'm the one who should be arguing for others to drop their "selfishness". I don't care one ounce about GT mode. I can get what I want without impacting you. Why should you be against me?

I'm not against you. I'm saying cheating is fine within limits. And I'm just saying at least make it so that the person who wants to cheat has to go through at least a modicum of effort to do it. You still get what you want (all the cars and tracks) and I still get what I want (a challenge knowing I played the game as intended and it wasn't cheapened by the fact that everything is just there for anyone to get).

We aren't going to agree on this because you think one way and I think another, its like a politics or religion argument.

 

[Exorcet]

We aren't going to agree on this because you think one way and I think another, its like a politics or religion argument.

I'm willing to keep trying. I've got nothing to lose, the game isn't how I want it anyway.

The fun doesn't just come from that. Maybe for you it does but you aren't everyone, why should the game cater to JUST YOU. The fun for me and most others comes from discovering new things that i can't just skip to if I get frustrated.

I never implied that the game should only cater to me. And a significant portion of my argument is the simple fact that what I want caters to more people than the current system does.

Again, you seem to be making assumptions. Nothing is frustrating me about the game besides the fact that it needlessly restricts how you can play. I'll get where I want eventually. I have yet to find a race that is overly difficult. But it's a pain to keep doing something I have no interest in, and there is no reason for me to go through it.

There is just no getting around the fact that people are better drivers than the AI. And, for me at least, unlocking adds no value at all. I respect those who think differently, and I would not want to put them in my position. But I also certainly don't want to have to play their way.

I'm not against you. I'm saying cheating is fine within limits. And I'm just saying at least make it so that the person who wants to cheat has to go through at least a modicum of effort to do it. You still get what you want (all the cars and tracks) and I still get what I want (a challenge knowing I played the game as intended and it wasn't cheapened by the fact that everything is just there for anyone to get).

There is no reason for that either. Whether or not I go through effort to get things will have no impact on your game.

EDIT

And supposedly, you enjoy putting in the effort. So if I don't want to go through with it, why not just let me lose out?

 

[Ya Pops]

Only read the first 5 pages of this thread and it seems a lot of people are completely missing the point of the OP purely because he used the word 'cheat'..

Seeing as this game expects you to buy blind without the option of test driving, surely having access to all stock cars in arcade mode would only benefit you and give you even more reason to work towards buying a particular car in career mode once you've tried it out.

Worked perfectly well in 'the other game'.

 

[Tommy_861]

There is no reason for that either. Whether or not I go through effort to get things will have no impact on your game.

I understand what you are saying, but this is where we disagree. I feel that it cheapens the game experience for me if I can buy the game new, open the box, put the game in, start it up, and everything that you would have to play through the game to get, is already sitting there waiting for me. Theres no advancing storyline, no videos to watch, nothing like that in this game. Just earning of cars, cash, and trophies. If there is 0 effort required to do that to me there is no point.

 

[Exorcet]

I understand what you are saying, but this is where we disagree. I feel that it cheapens the game experience for me if I can buy the game new, open the box, put the game in, start it up, and everything that you would have to play through the game to get, is already sitting there waiting for me. Theres no advancing storyline, no videos to watch, nothing like that in this game. Just earning of cars, cash, and trophies. If there is 0 effort required to do that to me there is no point.

Ah, OK, there is a misunderstanding then. I'm not saying that the game MUST come unlocked. But there should be an OPTION.

Example, at the first moment you run the game, it asks the question:

Do you want the game unlocked, Y/N?

I'd obviously hit Y.

You'd obviously hit N.

That sounds pretty good to me.

 

[SFX_Adavicro]

There is so much arguing in here its disturbing. I see no problem
with cheats as long as theyre kept clear of online play.

 

[Tommy_861]

Ah, OK, there is a misunderstanding then. I'm not saying that the game MUST come unlocked. But there should be an OPTION.

Example, at the first moment you run the game, it asks the question:

Do you want the game unlocked, Y/N?

I'd obviously hit Y.

You'd obviously hit N.

That sounds pretty good to me.

I've seen some games (I can't think of specific names off the top of my head) that just have a place in the options menu that you can enter a code and it gives you different cheats. If you use the cheats it limits your ability to get certain achievements but if you're doing that you probably don't really care anyway and just want to play all the cars and tracks which is what it would do. I believe thats a reasonable compromise, the codes are usually on the internet the day the game comes out anyway.

 

[TheMarco]

I have VERY limited time to play just like the OP but I'm strongly against cheats. If they exist and ever get out in the open I will not use them. Even though I have limited time I know I'll eventually get there. What's the problem with not being level 20 in 5 days? I got this game and bought a wheel especially for it with the intent to play for many, many months, probably YEARS even.

I fail to see what the hurry is good for. Who cares how long it takes to unlock everything? I don't for sure.

The only thing I see a point in is to have everything available in arcade at all times. I see no harm in that really. I never use arcade though because it won't make me advance in the game but I can see how some people just want to tear it up on a track and not care about the career.

Other than that? Screw cheats.

 

[Majin SSJ Eric]

I would love for there to be cheats in GT5 just because of how I play the game. I'm not at all interested in completing the game or doing all the events. I just want to time trial as many (premium) cars as I can on a bunch of different tracks. I never bothered with all the events on GT5P either. I like to compare cars in the same class kind of like when mags road test and compare vehicles. Unfortunately you have to have money to buy the cars you want to test so I'd love a money cheat....

 

[R6Goblin]

I just love how our culture is leaning towards no work, all reward. Has anyone ever heard the term "you gotta pay to play"? That can mean money, time or effort. No one likes to see the "other guy" take the easy way out or get a handout when he/she has to the work or put in the time to get the same reward.

Momma always said, nobody likes a cheater.

 

[SohnVonStig]

Perhaps a solution to this would be a difficulty setting at the beginning.
IE: If you choose Hard you get all driving aids off and only 20k credits to start off.
Medium: Some aids on and 50k
Easy: All aids and I dunno like 500k (just a number)

I'm not saying that if you want alot of money you should HAVE to play with all the driving aids but no game is going to make difficulty level based on money alone.

Another option might be to have cars be available only in arcade mode for those of you who don't want to go through the entire game. (or maybe a "test drive" kind of function). My point being that if you don't have time to play the game like crazy then you don't need a garage full of supercars, you just want to be able to drive them in a simulation style game.

Personally if I'm on the track with someone driving an Enzo or a classic racer online I'd like to know that they've played enough to earn the car. That way, hopefully, I can trust that they know how to drive.

 

[McLaren]

I just love how our culture is leaning towards no work, all reward. Has anyone ever heard the term "you gotta pay to play"? That can mean money, time or effort. No one likes to see the "other guy" take the easy way out or get a handout when he/she has to the work or put in the time to get the same reward.

Momma always said, nobody likes a cheater.

We're talking about a game, not real life.

 

[Jujamun]

In my opinion you shouldn't use cheats but maybe in a separate section of the game you could have unlimited money