Most needed update - Cheats

[shigllgetcha]

why not add in a 100% completion cheat while were at it

 

[lchadwick]

GT has been like this since the very first game. It's a quintessentially Japanese game design mindset - But on the other hand, there are very few games that start out with everything unlocked. I can't think of any at the moment anyway.

Microsoft Flight Simulator.... that is totally unlocked. It also has what it calls 'tutorials' for those without the experience flying... so those of us who need the extra practice can do so and those of us who do not can dive straight into the game.

It also doesn't have limitations on how flights are carried out so that it follows the 'real world' But the online community gave that aspect where you could join an online airline and carry out assigned flights, because FS was seriously lacking in the online multiplayer these were all carried out offline and log reports completed and emailed to a designated crewing officer... were they open to cheating... potentially but equally there would be no purpose to do so as the only reward was self gratification of completing an assignment.

Ultimately, GT is a simulator, everyone has aspects the love and aspects they hate.

No one factors in the age of the individual. Games appeal greatly to a very close neesh of people in a set age bracket, then outside of that you get an occasional gamer and then, the ones who buy the game for other reasons...

I have always loved GT but I only started with GT4. I got it so I could compare its version of the car I owned. The reason for getting GT5 simply put, GT4 didnt work on the PS3 and the Top Gear Test Track and to have that track locked out cos I cannot simply fathom how to get anywhere near gold in the first special is highly disappointing. In about a weeks time I will get bored of trying and thus never get to experience that track how i thought I would.

 

[Ardius]

Microsoft Flight Simulator.... that is totally unlocked. It also has what it calls 'tutorials' for those without the experience flying... so those of us who need the extra practice can do so and those of us who do not can dive straight into the game.

It also doesn't have limitations on how flights are carried out so that it follows the 'real world' But the online community gave that aspect where you could join an online airline and carry out assigned flights, because FS was seriously lacking in the online multiplayer these were all carried out offline and log reports completed and emailed to a designated crewing officer... were they open to cheating... potentially but equally there would be no purpose to do so as the only reward was self gratification of completing an assignment.

Ultimately, GT is a simulator, everyone has aspects the love and aspects they hate.

No one factors in the age of the individual. Games appeal greatly to a very close neesh of people in a set age bracket, then outside of that you get an occasional gamer and then, the ones who buy the game for other reasons...

I have always loved GT but I only started with GT4. I got it so I could compare its version of the car I owned. The reason for getting GT5 simply put, GT4 didnt work on the PS3 and the Top Gear Test Track and to have that track locked out cos I cannot simply fathom how to get anywhere near gold in the first special is highly disappointing. In about a weeks time I will get bored of trying and thus never get to experience that track how i thought I would.

GT is a game whereas MS FS is a simulator, they have different goals. As much as GT refers to itself as simulator and realism is one of its goals, its not the only one.
The whole point of games is to provide some kind of a challenge and a reward. Cheats completely get rid of the challenge and reward.

I don't see PD or Sony altering their strategy as GT has always been sold as a game.

 

[lchadwick]

Ok I can accept that argument in GT mode... but in Arcade? Surely it has none of the 'game' features and is only there to allow users to take laps on tracks with cars of their choosing outside the remit of the game and as such should be unlocked entirely... this also wouldnt interfere with the GT Mode online of car gifting.

However, on the actual game box it does claim to be "The real driving simulator" so in its own right it thinks of itself as a simulator not a game.

 

[Off the Bit]

I'm not interested in having cheats for GT5, but wouldn't have a problem with someone else using them. Some of us will play the game "honestly" and wouldn't even dream of deliberately cutting a corner, some will exploit loopholes like the birthday gift and repeatedly completing short races that give a high win bonus. We've all bought a copy of the game, so we should be able to play it however we want.

I'm fairly certain there won't be any cheats for this game, but I would expect to see new cars, and maybe even game money, available soon to buy online and download.

 

[Ardius]

I personally think Arcade Mode is redundant anyway, it kind of half panders to those wanting cars try straight away but without tuning and not many cars to choose from.
As I said, the game can be a simulator or have simulation aspects, but at the end of the day it is a game aimed at gamers. It has levelling, rewards, unlocks, etc. Its designed to take time and give a sense of achievement.

I don't really know where I stand on the OP's issue. I can definitely understand not being able to play the game all the time....but then that affects everyone. I kind of lean more towards "well, you should have known it was coming as all previous GT games are the same", it is a shame though that you cannot experience all 1000 cars in this great physics engine though..

I wouldn't really care if there were cheats, though I feel that too many people would cop out and use them. I think some people may not like the challenges but being forced to do them may actually allow them to fully appreciate other aspects of the game or cars/tracks they might not have otherwised tried. For example, if people could cheat past the Lotus Top Gear challenge, they wouldn't experience what a Lotus on Comfort tyres is like as they were never forced to.
Its interesting game design decisions really, personally I think the player should be forced into tests but there is a line where the player finds things too difficult that they can't enjoy the game. I feel too many games these days are too easy though, so I am very happy with difficult games like this for a change.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

The bulk of what you say is moot.

1st, I did spend all this money on a brand new game and I would argue that driving cars and tracks I don't want to does not constitute playing it.

That's not what I'm talking about. You missed my point. You bought this game, spent all this money on it, and by skipping all the stuff you don't wanna do, you are essentially not playing the game. You are only playing a part of it. To me, that's money wasted. :shrug:

I thought of a third reason why cheating is a bad idea: CRED. By cheating, you get no racing credibility. If you ever show up here bragging about your exploits in the future, machschnel, I will personally have a good laugh, because I know you may not have actually worked for your rewards.

I have a lot more respect for the millionaire who worked for his money than the one who had it handed to him thru a trust fund.

2nd, I don't have the time to become an incredibly skilled tuner/driver, nor do I want to. Why waste precious time driving cars with less horsepower than my first road car?

Hey, it's your game, like I said, do what you want. :shrug: If you want to skip over the lesser-horsepower cars and jump into overkill-mode with zillions of credits you didn't actually earn, that's your choice. Just please don't come here later asking why you can't finish the World Cup or whatever.

I've been here at GTP for several years now, and trust me, I've seen a very long line of gamers showing up here: "HELP!!! I can't finish *insert race name here*. I'm using the Nissan R92CP with Stage 4 power and can't win a single race! Bob can't finish either!"

Then when we start asking questions, it's inevitable that this guy asking for help is one who cheated with AR-Max, or drove a Skyline in the Sunday Cup, etc.

One thing I will say in your credit, machschnel, and that is you're at least not afraid to label yourself a Cheater. Most cheaters get all huffy and offended if it's even suggested that they cheat. I say (to anyone other than machschnel who reads this) if you cheat, at least fess up and SAY you're a cheater! :

I wouldn't really care if there were cheats, though I feel that too many people would cop out and use them. I think some people may not like the challenges but being forced to do them may actually allow them to fully appreciate other aspects of the game or cars/tracks they might not have otherwised tried.

Yes, very true. Doing the stuff you may not like also hones your skills.

 

[Chadwicksracing]

If he wants to cheat,then let him. How does this effect/affect you[gtp members]? Simply choose not to use the cheat if you do not agree.

I know I can certainly understand his point of view. Although I would never use Cheats in this game; gt5 is whatever you make it.

 

[Sphinx]

I thought of a third reason why cheating is a bad idea: CRED. By cheating, you get no racing credibility. If you ever show up here bragging about your exploits in the future, machschnel, I will personally have a good laugh, because I know you may not have actually worked for your rewards.

It's never done me any harm here. I've used cheat codes to get what I want, when I want it, even before completing a GT game. Although I have to state that I've also completed past games many times over. For those who want to use cheats to skip through the game because they can't be bothered with certain sections of the game are only cheating themselves. To label them cheats with a big C is a bit strong in my opinion, because those who do this, if given the chance, are nowhere near what most in GT Community would consider real Cheaters within the game. By that I mean, those who cheat others, not themselves.

 

[dustbin89]

Every one who is against cheats clearly didn't read my post 108, as it kills every argument put forward, and they are just repeating themselves. I got infinite money cheat for GT4, this is what I found.

1. Doesn't remove challenge, that is down to the user, ~70 A Spec points per race.

2. Doesn't diminish longevity I've been playing GT4 for 6 years!

3. Dicks will always be online with powerful cars they can't handle, with or without cheats.

4. It doesn't prevent you from learning, I got all golds on the licences and completed all the driving missions, the hardest parts of the game where infinite money is no help!

5. If you say you would never use cheats, that's fine, no one is forcing you to!

 

[Chadwicksracing]

If you want to see real cheaters, remember the Logitech Challenge in 2009? Wall riders, the top 10...I had a clean lap in 11th place. Talk about cheated....

 

[Steve_D]

This thread needs a lock is more like it, Cheats? No time to play Video games? Then don't play them.

Some people buy GT5 because they want a sim, not a game.

 

[JGW]

I say no cheats. Too many good games ruined by cheating.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

It's never done me any harm here. I've used cheat codes to get what I want, when I want it, even before completing a GT game. Although I have to state that I've also completed past games many times over.{/quote]

Mm hmm, and there's a difference between someone who has earned his cred and then decides to employ his cheats, as opposed to someone who just got the game and already can't be bothered with it.

I know you've been around a long time, Sphinx. I used to read some of your posts from 10 years ago over at Gran Turismo Forum before it was shut down.

For those who want to use cheats to skip through the game because they can't be bothered with certain sections of the game are only cheating themselves. To label them cheats with a big C is a bit strong in my opinion, because those who do this, if given the chance, are nowhere near what most in GT Community would consider real Cheaters within the game. By that I mean, those who cheat others, not themselves.

...you lost me here, I'm afraid. Not sure what you mean, and I read this paragraph several times, now.

 

[GTaficionado]

I was one of the people who got the game the moment it came out, back on midnight, the 24th. And after noticing it was taking quite a long to level up and get credits to tune cars, I would have probably wanted some type of cheats option to be available. Today, only 4 days later, I take that back. I'm already at level 15, almost 16, have all but the S licence(not all gold yet), with over 20 cars in my garage(13 premium and 7 standard) one of them a fully tuned 09' Nissan V Spec which I'm very proud of This game has something that just keeps me coming back for more, specially on GT mode. There's just a certain satisfaction I feel after learning to master some cars and some tracks, and winning those events almost by a second. Something that'd have not been there had I had cheats. I understand some people may not have enough time, but at least for me? nahh..I'll pass, this game is getting better and better every time I play it.

 

[Bounkazz]

Lol, just make yourself on of those boot discs PlayStation 2 had. I'll buy it of you if you manage.

 

[bevo]

I somewhat agree with the OP. There needs to be a way to at least unlock all cars online and in arcade. The single player part of the game is just to boring. With no way to determine how good your car is and the cars you are competing against are, I always end up with either my car being to slow, or too fast. It's to hard to make my car be competitive without making it to good. I don't want to just kill all the other cars on the track, I want to race them.

I really like how forza 3 had there's setup. It was very easy to set your car up, so that it was on equal ground with the other cars you were racing against. Turn the assists off, the level to hard, and give you car just high enough of a grade and you had some great racing.

 

[southslider51]

I've said it before,and i'll say it again:You can only get faster/better by racing faster/better opponents!
Sound extremely cheesy but it's the truth! Untill i signed up on this forum to race others,i thought i was M.schumacher! Guess what? I'm not! Get it?

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

Nothing should ever be locked in arcade mode. Most of the people who buy this game will be casual gamers who want to race a Lambo round Monaco or a reasonably priced car around the Top Gear Test Track. How many of those will be able to gold a TG challenge?

Yeah, so they're n00bs and maybe you feel they don't deserve it but they're paying customers, hell even I found it annoying that I couldn't jump on the nurb with a e-type Jag right out the box - was one of the first things I wanted to do. Now I'm waiting for the second thing I wanted to do - GT40 '69 around Laguna Seca. I'd rather not have to finish every damn challenge and/or wait for one randomly popping up in used cars for 80million credits or so.

 

[Interpol]

Some people buy GT5 because they want a sim, not a game.

I'd say GT5 is a pretty good simulator. Just like in real life, you bust your ass for a while playing in the little leagues to make some money before you get to play with the big boys.

Like I said before, people don't want cheats, they want a sandbox mode. PD didn't build one into the game, and there are no plans to include it later. Accept it or don't buy/play the game.

 

[Steve_D]

I'd say GT5 is a pretty good simulator. Just like in real life, you bust your ass for a while playing in the little leagues to make some money before you get to play with the big boys.

Like I said before, people don't want cheats, they want a sandbox mode. PD didn't build one into the game, and there are no plans to include it later. Accept it or don't buy/play the game.

I bought a disk that said "The Driving Simulator" on the front of it

 

[Exorcet]

challenge

Race

reward.

Win.

There it is. GT mode players can have their GT mode. Just give me somewhere I can go where I can ignore GT mode and just race. Going back the FSX example, nearly every flight sim is all unlocked all the time. It's a great plus. And if you don't think there is any challenge/reward in flight simming, you are dead wrong.

That's not what I'm talking about. You missed my point. You bought this game, spent all this money on it, and by skipping all the stuff you don't wanna do, you are essentially not playing the game. You are only playing a part of it. To me, that's money wasted. :shrug:

I thought of a third reason why cheating is a bad idea: CRED. By cheating, you get no racing credibility. If you ever show up here bragging about your exploits in the future, machschnel, I will personally have a good laugh, because I know you may not have actually worked for your rewards.

I have a lot more respect for the millionaire who worked for his money than the one who had it handed to him thru a trust fund.



Hey, it's your game, like I said, do what you want. :shrug: If you want to skip over the lesser-horsepower cars and jump into overkill-mode with zillions of credits you didn't actually earn, that's your choice. Just please don't come here later asking why you can't finish the World Cup or whatever.

I've been here at GTP for several years now, and trust me, I've seen a very long line of gamers showing up here: "HELP!!! I can't finish *insert race name here*. I'm using the Nissan R92CP with Stage 4 power and can't win a single race! Bob can't finish either!"

Then when we start asking questions, it's inevitable that this guy asking for help is one who cheated with AR-Max, or drove a Skyline in the Sunday Cup, etc.

One thing I will say in your credit, machschnel, and that is you're at least not afraid to label yourself a Cheater. Most cheaters get all huffy and offended if it's even suggested that they cheat. I say (to anyone other than machschnel who reads this) if you cheat, at least fess up and SAY you're a cheater! :






Yes, very true. Doing the stuff you may not like also hones your skills.

I have to say, a lot of stuff in here is all assumptions. How exactly does having everything open from the start degrade skill? It doesn't. If someone wants to get better they will. If not, they won't. Also, how does playing "fair" increase skill? How can you know the code users with stage 4 turbos would have had no trouble had they played fair?

It also seems to me that machschnel isn't interested in "cred"[why should anyone be?] or bragging, but racing.

 

[Interpol]

I bought a disk that said "The Driving Simulator" on the front of it

Well, if it didn't meet your expectations for being a simulator, then return it or sell it. Problem solved.

Besides, this is the only way PD will get the message - vote with your money. Buying the game and then complaining about it not having a superfluous feature you want doesn't seem like an effective way to get your message across. If enough people agree with you and refuse to buy the game, then you'll start to see changes being made.

 

[machschnel]

I'll try a different tack.........
FIA GTR 2 is arguably the best simulator money can buy (you can make a point for iRacing). Now, EVERYTHING is unlocked form the start and to make it "worse" not one car is under 500hp. But guess what? The "challenge" is in controlling these beasts at close to 200km on Eau Rouge. The "cred" comes from winning online events. If you do happen to be driving a car above your skill level it is quickly apparent.

Having Arcade mode unlocked hurts no one. I am under the assumption 90% GTPlaneters have not even used it yet.

Put it this way... If when the game came out and arcade mode was unlocked, would you have complained? I don't think so

 

[nurburgring]

If you want to see real cheaters, remember the Logitech Challenge in 2009? Wall riders, the top 10...I had a clean lap in 11th place. Talk about cheated....

One of the most intelligent post I’ve seen in this thread. Sadly, that is the kind of behaviour we meet to often online…

Nothing should ever be locked in arcade mode. Most of the people who buy this game will be casual gamers who want to race a Lambo round Monaco or a reasonably priced car around the Top Gear Test Track. How many of those will be able to gold a TG challenge?
Yeah, so they're n00bs and maybe you feel they don't deserve it but they're paying customers, hell even I found it annoying that I couldn't jump on the nurb with a e-type Jag right out the box - was one of the first things I wanted to do. Now I'm waiting for the second thing I wanted to do - GT40 '69 around Laguna Seca. I'd rather not have to finish every damn challenge and/or wait for one randomly popping up in used cars for 80million credits or so.

You are so right…
That’s exactly why I bought GT5.

I'm very sad to know that I will never have enough time to unlock all the hidden bonuses...

I'd say GT5 is a pretty good simulator. Just like in real life, you bust your ass for a while playing in the little leagues to make some money before you get to play with the big boys.

Hey, did you see that it is a game ?
And what about the driving experience I have with GT1, GT2, GT3, GT4, GT5P… it doesn’t fit with the big leagues ?

- Several GTP members can confirm that I’m a very clean racer online (maybe too much), .
- I love this game, the real tracks are very nice and accurate.
- The cars are great to drive or race, and for the first time of my life I can race online with the GT5 series.
- I'm 46 years old and have a real life. I have only 3 to 4 hours per week I can dedicace to this game. And I want to share my pleasure of racing with real humans, not with almost too perfect AI for long races that give me trophies.
- So I just hope I wont be stuck with a game and not playing online because it is impossible for me to have the right cars to be competitive online…

And finally I'm disappointed to discover there is people with closed minded opinions that believe I dont deserve to play this game because I don’t have enough time to play with. Hope for you that you won't have a 40 hours job, a wife and kids (in fact all the ingredients for a real nice life) or you will be really disappointed by life sooner or later…

I consider myself as a happy guy and GT5 is a cherry on the cake.

 

[Interpol]

Hey, did you see that it is a game ?
And what about the driving experience I have with GT1, GT2, GT3, GT4, GT5P… it doesn’t fit with the big leagues ?

I'm merely pointing out that there are people here who are claiming GT5 is a pure simulator while there are others who are saying it's a game. I personally couldn't care less what it is, I'm enjoying it for what it is.

And finally I'm disappointed to discover there is people with closed minded opinions that believe I dont deserve to play this game because I don’t have enough time to play with. Hope for you that you won't have a 40 hours job, a wife and kids (in fact all the ingredients for a real nice life) or you will be really disappointed by life sooner or later…

Way to come off sounding like a pompous jerk.

I'm not saying you don't deserve anything. But it's not PD's fault that you're so busy with your real life that you don't have the time necessary to dedicate playing a video game with rules set by them. Obviously PD didn't have any consideration for you specifically or what little time you have, but that's the game and if the gameplay doesn't accomodate your lifestyle then stop playing it.

I also take offense with you assuming that my life isn't as busy or meaningful as yours, or that I have way more free time than you do. I'm 40 years old and work close to 80 hours/week as a physician in a hospital, have 2 young children, and I'm still not complaining about not having a so-called feature in the game just because it would suit MY time better. If anything YOU are the closed-minded one.

 

[McLaren]

A typically infantile response.

I don't get why people are so defensive about the idea. Do you have no self-restraint? How would it affect you if there was an option to just unlock everything?

Because these people just get upset that someone got the same car they did for less work, even if in this case, it's in a different mode.

I don't see cheat codes any worse than the folks who have been commenting on what races to do for the most money in the least amount of time w/ the best car, b/c it's clear that their intentions are to race that same race over & over just so they can use it as their personal "gold mine" for when they need a lot of cash for a couple cars instead of beating other events to earn the money.

 

[ItsHim]

Good Lord, this thread is going down Drama Avenue really fast

I got the most out of GT4 once I had a proper save game because at last I could do the races in my preferred cars when and if I wanted. And I was mostly into driving missions and endurance races in stock cars anyway. Hardly ever cared for the other stuff, tuning included.

So, basically, I second the OP: GT5 has, from what I learned at GamesCom this year, a damn fine driving experience, second to none. But if there are no cheats/sandboxes/whatever that give access to all the good stuff right out of the box, well, then, what the heck! Waiting for GT6 will be loads of fun, too.

 

[ScouserInExile]

The problem that some people seem to neglect to think about it that a game nees to have an arc - it should start off hard, get progressively easier towards the middle of the game and then start to get harder again. What it should also do is provide some form of value for money, normally expressed in the form of time taken to complete. Allowing everyting to be available from the very start (even via a cheat of some form) takes all this away and, therefore, takes the game away.

And, in keeping with a lot of this thread: I have a full time job, a wife, a baby on the way and a 100 year old house that needs a new roof, new windows a new boiler and the baby's room needs decorating. I only get half an hour a day, tops, to play games, but I would much rather that it took me weeks to get anwhere in GT5 than it handed me everything on a plate from the very start.

 

[InSight]

Having every thing locked is everything what's wrong with this game. People should be able to enjoy the full game from the start! In FIFA, i get all teams and all stadiums at the start, so my friends and i can enjoy good football with best teams, i don't have to unlock them. Same in FSX, i can fly whatever i want, wherever i want, no unlocking.