Most obedient and disobedient cars

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Here's another couple:

Obedient: Lamborghini Aventador LP 700-4. It's 4WD system almost feels as "magical" as the GTR's. It also feels like if you were driving a stock NSX Type-R and you end up wondering if this car really has a 700HP V12 breathing fire behind your head... Then, when I just started telling to myself, "this car is too docile to be a Lambo" I look at the speedometer and I realize I've reached 320 Km/h in a heartbeat... But just when I think I'm dead, the incredible brakes stop the car beautifuly.

Disobidient: Lamborghini Murcielago LP 640. What does that car want?! Oversteer, or understeer? It's got to be the worst supercar in the game. But it is a lovely machine if you put the torque split dif. However, the LP 670 SV is a different story.
 
Obedient: Ferrari Formula 1 cars. Things are easy...
Ferrari F-40 a beauty! You may think it sucks but after a while you find it is a great looking car.

Disobedient: Every single diesel powered Le Mans Prototype. Takes one lap to trick you into thinking you've finally "mastered" the massive wheel spin given by the monster torque you find yourself spinning out of control and you are left wondering "What the hell! Last lap I did the same thing and now it decides to snap from me!?

The Enzo. I've seen a Samba Bus corner better at 10kph than that nonsense super car that can even go straight
 
Obedient: BMW 320i Touring Car. I don't know if it's my most obedient but I've been driving it a lot the last few days and I was very surprised at how well it drives. Good choice for the FR Seasonal with reasonable differential bonus. Give it a try.

Disobedient: All those tuscans without suspension tuning. Though I'd say there are worse cars.

-J
 
Most Obedient 07 BMW M3, Very Forgiving, Never feels overpowering even on sports hard.

Most Disobedient 427 Shelby Cobra. Sporting a healthy Power to Rate ratio does nothing for this cars road handling character, If you wedge it for daytona events your fine but even in the draft shes a couple handfuls.
 
Most Obedient: Any Nissan Skyline GTR from R32-R35
4WD, ATTESA, HICAS.

Most Disobedient: Cizeta V16T
Too much weight at the back makes it tail happy, fun to drive with comfort medium at Nurb 24H, makes the hand sweaty all the way.
 
Obedient- Audi R8

Disobedient- Lancia Stratos. I loved the comment in a recent C&D article on a reissue "The author contemplates how many corners before he spins."
 
"Most" is a tough one to answer definitively, there's so many.

Obedient - 2010 Camaro SS. So much grip and it always seems to respond the way I want, very easy to reign back in when it does get a little wild coming off a corner. Easy to forget it weighs as much as a small village. But it's also very easy to slide around and mess about with when I want to.

Disobedient(flame-proof suit ready) - 2007 R35 GT-R. Trying to get this car to cooperate still gives me nightmares. It wants to enter every single corner backwards and even the slightest touch of the gas when it is doing so instantly sends the front end flying straight towards the wall. Only way I managed to wrestle it into compliance was with an 8 or 9-0 brake balance. Fast when it works perfectly. I imagine it's ok with ABS but that's never going to happen. I don't seem to have such trouble with the other GT-Rs that I have tried, just with the basic model so far.

*Cars in stock form.


So many more that could be mentioned... another time perhaps.
 
HuskyGT
Obedient: Lamborghini Aventador LP 700-4. It's 4WD system almost feels as "magical" as the GTR's. It also feels like if you were driving a stock NSX Type-R and you end up wondering if this car really has a 700HP V12 breathing fire behind your head... Then, when I just started telling to myself, "this car is too docile to be a Lambo" I look at the speedometer and I realize I've reached 320 Km/h in a heartbeat... But just when I think I'm dead, the incredible brakes stop the car beautifuly.

Disobidient: Lamborghini Murcielago LP 640. What does that car want?! Oversteer, or understeer? It's got to be the worst supercar in the game. But it is a lovely machine if you put the torque split dif. However, the LP 670 SV is a different story.
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I'd put them the other way round.

While I haven't driven an LP640 stock yet (I have the Chrome Line but it's been so long since I drove that I don't remember what it's actually like), the LP670-4 is, I would agree with you, a great car. Most of the stuff about it points in the right direction, and that's why I consider it my favourite supercar in this game. It really is a peach.

The Aventador, though, I find, tends to be hopeless to drive. It's not as fast as it is in real life, turning while braking results in stupidly high levels of smoke and scariness, and in fast corners it understeers like no tomorrow. Hmm.
 
projects2k
Bronzed all x1 challenges with a ds3 :indiff:
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Yup, I bronzed all of them with a controller and I think it's my biggest achievement in any GT series game.

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Obedient: BMW M3 CSL, predictable and fun to drive.

Disobedient: Oullim Spirra & R5 Maxi Turbo Rally Car. The last one is just being pretty in my garage, there is no other useful thing it can do.
 
C-ZETA
I'd put them the other way round.

While I haven't driven an LP640 stock yet (I have the Chrome Line but it's been so long since I drove that I don't remember what it's actually like), the LP670-4 is, I would agree with you, a great car. Most of the stuff about it points in the right direction, and that's why I consider it my favourite supercar in this game. It really is a peach.

The Aventador, though, I find, tends to be hopeless to drive. It's not as fast as it is in real life, turning while braking results in stupidly high levels of smoke and scariness, and in fast corners it understeers like no tomorrow. Hmm.
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I'd switch them too. The Murcielago is my favorite supercar in game as well.:) I wouldn't say the Aventador is hopeless, but it does understeer far more than it should.
 
zedextreme8177
So basically, which cars do you feel do exactly as you told, and which of them do the total opposite, and why? :sly:

Here's my opinions:

Most obedient: Daihatsu Copen Active Top
A very well-behaved car. It does exactly everything you tell it to, rarely oversteering or understeering. If you want to go fast, it goes fast. It turns just as much as you want it to, and rarely gives me hairy moments :)

Most disobedient: TVR Tuscan Speed 6
This car basically does everything you don't (or possibly do) want it to. It either understeers catastrophically as you try to go around a corner, or oversteers if you lock up the brakes upon entry (basically, the real car doesn't have ABS). Then decides to snap oversteer almost immediately as the throttle is applied :ouch:

That being said, it's still one of my favourite cars to drive 👍
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Obedient:Mazda 787b
Oh my god I love it.the sound is gorgeous,the turning is good and the brakes is good too.not a easy car to drive but the throttle response is good enough for it to put the power down.

Disobedient:bentley speed 8 race car
Its a good handling car but this car,it doesnt matter how much gas I give it,It always want to slide when i don't want it too
 
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C-ZETA
I'd put them the other way round.

While I haven't driven an LP640 stock yet (I have the Chrome Line but it's been so long since I drove that I don't remember what it's actually like), the LP670-4 is, I would agree with you, a great car. Most of the stuff about it points in the right direction, and that's why I consider it my favourite supercar in this game. It really is a peach.

The Aventador, though, I find, tends to be hopeless to drive. It's not as fast as it is in real life, turning while braking results in stupidly high levels of smoke and scariness, and in fast corners it understeers like no tomorrow. Hmm.
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That, is your problem right there. Go to the Special Events > Grand Tour > Toscana Night Race. And enjoy. Or rather, try not to get killed. :lol:
 
C-ZETA
I'd put them the other way round.

While I haven't driven an LP640 stock yet (I have the Chrome Line but it's been so long since I drove that I don't remember what it's actually like), the LP670-4 is, I would agree with you, a great car. Most of the stuff about it points in the right direction, and that's why I consider it my favourite supercar in this game. It really is a peach.

The Aventador, though, I find, tends to be hopeless to drive. It's not as fast as it is in real life, turning while braking results in stupidly high levels of smoke and scariness, and in fast corners it understeers like no tomorrow. Hmm.
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I honestly don't know how can you feel that the Aventador is hopeless. Maybe our driving styles are different. I trade fast lap times for precision, so I judge a car for how stable it stays during cornering. That's what makes me smile when I'm driving. In contrast, I think that most people here like to take their cars over the limits, going sidways in every turn and stuff like that. I've figured out that some cars like the Aventador or the GTR don't like to be driven that way on stock form. They just don't respond too well.

I find the Aventador to be almost "neutered." Very neutral with a very predictive tendency to gently oversteer when hammering the throttle, with an almost imperceptible understeer that you can use in your advantage (much like the GTR R35) on the exit. The Murcielago's tendency to shift from a horrible understeer to a brutal oversteer is almost rediculous. That car is almost impossible to drive in a straight constant line when stock. The main factor is not it's weight, but the 4WD system. Even in the Gallardo I can put considerably better times in small tracks such as Rome, which is a shame considereing that the Murcielago was Lamborghini's flagship model, and the Gallardo an "entry level" model.

Again, the LP670-4 SV is completely different and doesn't present the flaws that the LP 640-4 has. It is undoubtedly a marvelous machine.

By the way, I drive my cars almost stock, and suspension is something that I especially avoid to touch, unless it's not a sports oriented car, and it desperately needs some stiffening up. Normally I run on Comfort Softs to Sports Hards on cars from 0 to 550HP, and Sports Medium for anything else except more "track oriented" street cars which I use Sport Softs. This might also be a factor that changes the perception of how a car behaves from person to person.
 
obedient : silvia k's s13 - drifts like a god, perfect control

disobedient : shelby cobra full tune - this thing tries to rip my face off its so scary
 
HuskyGT
I honestly don't know how can you feel that the Aventador is hopeless. Maybe our driving styles are different. I trade fast lap times for precision, so I judge a car for how stable it stays during cornering. That's what makes me smile when I'm driving. In contrast, I think that most people here like to take their cars over the limits, going sidways in every turn and stuff like that. I've figured out that some cars like the Aventador or the GTR don't like to be driven that way on stock form. They just don't respond too well.

I find the Aventador to be almost "neutered." Very neutral with a very predictive tendency to gently oversteer when hammering the throttle, with an almost imperceptible understeer that you can use in your advantage (much like the GTR R35) on the exit. The Murcielago's tendency to shift from a horrible understeer to a brutal oversteer is almost rediculous. That car is almost impossible to drive in a straight constant line when stock. The main factor is not it's weight, but the 4WD system. Even in the Gallardo I can put considerably better times in small tracks such as Rome, which is a shame considereing that the Murcielago was Lamborghini's flagship model, and the Gallardo an "entry level" model.

Again, the LP670-4 SV is completely different and doesn't present the flaws that the LP 640-4 has. It is undoubtedly a marvelous machine.

By the way, I drive my cars almost stock, and suspension is something that I especially avoid to touch, unless it's not a sports oriented car, and it desperately needs some stiffening up. Normally I run on Comfort Softs to Sports Hards on cars from 0 to 550HP, and Sports Medium for anything else except more "track oriented" street cars which I use Sport Softs. This might also be a factor that changes the perception of how a car behaves from person to person.
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i dont know why but the lp 640 makes me smile tonnes, and i dont know why people have a problem controlling it, the 4wd, if used correctly when the back is out, floor it round the corner all wheels lit up, and you can get insane acceleration out of a corner like that. ive actually tuned a lot of 4wd's so they do this as i cant stand undresteer at all, especially the evos - insane toe, full yaw babie yeahh!
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Raggi Boy
i dont know why but the lp 640 makes me smile tonnes, and i dont know why people have a problem controlling it, the 4wd, if used correctly when the back is out, floor it round the corner all wheels lit up, and you can get insane acceleration out of a corner like that. ive actually tuned a lot of 4wd's so they do this as i cant stand undresteer at all, especially the evos - insane toe, full yaw babie yeahh!
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I can barly understand what you trying to say, but I get a general air of dissagreement and tuning of AWD cars to reduce understeer.
Do you use VCD at 50/50? If not, it really isn't the same. I speciallize in 4WD tuning and I can sefly say that non-50/50 cars don't behave right. As for the LP640, I have never drivin one (by the time I bought a Lamborghini I had enough money for a 670-4), but I do own one. I'll drive one in a bit and try to compare it to other AWD cars, to get a feel for why people say it is disobediant.
And you don't know disobediance until you've driven a Zonda C12S 7.3.
 
What's with all the supercar hate? If you modulate the throttle correctly, they're perfectly obedient (especially the zonda C12s 7.3 is brilliant, in my opinion). I think it also strongly depends on driving style: some cars suit you, some don't.

disobedient: Oullim Motors Spirra, Renault 5 Rally car (That one's good fun, though...)
obedient: There's so many, I can't pick one.
 
HuskyGT
I honestly don't know how can you feel that the Aventador is hopeless. Maybe our driving styles are different. I trade fast lap times for precision, so I judge a car for how stable it stays during cornering. That's what makes me smile when I'm driving. In contrast, I think that most people here like to take their cars over the limits, going sidways in every turn and stuff like that. I've figured out that some cars like the Aventador or the GTR don't like to be driven that way on stock form. They just don't respond too well.

I find the Aventador to be almost "neutered." Very neutral with a very predictive tendency to gently oversteer when hammering the throttle, with an almost imperceptible understeer that you can use in your advantage (much like the GTR R35) on the exit. The Murcielago's tendency to shift from a horrible understeer to a brutal oversteer is almost rediculous. That car is almost impossible to drive in a straight constant line when stock. The main factor is not it's weight, but the 4WD system. Even in the Gallardo I can put considerably better times in small tracks such as Rome, which is a shame considereing that the Murcielago was Lamborghini's flagship model, and the Gallardo an "entry level" model.

Again, the LP670-4 SV is completely different and doesn't present the flaws that the LP 640-4 has. It is undoubtedly a marvelous machine.

By the way, I drive my cars almost stock, and suspension is something that I especially avoid to touch, unless it's not a sports oriented car, and it desperately needs some stiffening up. Normally I run on Comfort Softs to Sports Hards on cars from 0 to 550HP, and Sports Medium for anything else except more "track oriented" street cars which I use Sport Softs. This might also be a factor that changes the perception of how a car behaves from person to person.
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I drove the aventador and it got crazy understeer but like you said its much more stable and gripper then the lp640 murcielago.i drove the murcielago at circuit de la Sarthe and man it oversteer like crazy.it oversteer more then the aventador but it got less understeer then the aventador. the gtr r35 is kinda like the aventador because it understeer like it got no front end grip at all.it is absolutely severe in every corner.so I do agree with everything you said but I drive some cars with racing sorts unless I want to drive the car stock
 
Obedient: GtR R35 TC - just point and shoot. Other 4wd and FF cars usually well tamed

Disobedient: the 427 Cobras, spin into Armco all the time.
 
McClarenDesign
Obedient- Scion FR-S. Good dog.
Disobedient- Oullim Motors Spirra. Very bad dog!
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I was going to say something much like this,
My disobedient car how ever would have to be the RUF Yellow Bird, I still love it though
 
Z4M
What's with all the supercar hate? If you modulate the throttle correctly, they're perfectly obedient (especially the zonda C12s 7.3 is brilliant, in my opinion). I think it also strongly depends on driving style: some cars suit you, some don't.

disobedient: Oullim Motors Spirra, Renault 5 Rally car (That one's good fun, though...)
obedient: There's so many, I can't pick one.
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Exactly. At the end it all comes to driving style. Despite they are not the grippiest and most perfect supercars, and that they are in fact a bit brutish, I personally find the Zondas to have a very exquisite handling, and they are a lot of fun to drive. What makes them different is that if you modulate the gas pedal corrrectly, they are absolutly perfect. Other cars simply won't respond, no matter how delicate you are with them. That's what makes a car either obidient or disobidient. It's like the McLaren F1; sure the car is a monster and it can betray you faster than you can blink, but after a few laps it's very easy to find a good rythm with this car, giving you not only total control of it, but a sense of speed that no other street car in the game gives you. That car is so rewarding when you learn its strenghts and weaknesess.

lldantell
I drove the aventador and it got crazy understeer but like you said its much more stable and gripper then the lp640 murcielago.i drove the murcielago at circuit de la Sarthe and man it oversteer like crazy.it oversteer more then the aventador but it got less understeer then the aventador. the gtr r35 is kinda like the aventador because it understeer like it got no front end grip at all.it is absolutely severe in every corner.so I do agree with everything you said but I drive some cars with racing sorts unless I want to drive the car stock
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Yeah, you have a point there, but this is also an example of how driving styles affect the perception of how a car behaves. I don't know your driving style and how much you tune your cars, but as an example, my R35 Spec-V has nothing but Sport Hards, Sports cat-converter, the ECU Tuning and the Weight reduction 1. Although I feel the understeer, it's almost unnoticeable in my end. The car almost feels like if it's riding over invisible rails. The only negative is when braking hard, since the car looses the rear really easily. But it's easily avoided if braking gently while turning slowly into the apex.

As for the Aventador, I really don't know what to say. I just use the LP-640 as a comparison reference, reason why I feel the Aventador so perfectly ballanced.
 
The Alfa TZ2 - it will go where ya want it without questions.
 
Call me crazy and throw me into an insane asylum, but..

Obedient: Lancia Stratos '73 & Lancia Stratos RC '77
Dispite being one of those tail-happy cars most everyone knows about, it's also one of the cars that can more easily correct itself, literally making these the most forgiving, unforgiving cars. Along with that, these two are very light meaning their braking distances are vastly shorter then a bulk of other cars, along with sharper cornering then other cars of their league. It takes time to tame, but when you've mastered the Stratos, it's unstoppable.

Disobedient: *Shrugs* I don't know anything that's terrible for me.
 
Welsh-Fury
Call me crazy and throw me into an insane asylum, but..

Obedient: Lancia Stratos '73 & Lancia Stratos RC '77
Dispite being one of those tail-happy cars most everyone knows about, it's also one of the cars that can more easily correct itself, literally making these the most forgiving, unforgiving cars. Along with that, these two are very light meaning their braking distances are vastly shorter then a bulk of other cars, along with sharper cornering then other cars of their league. It takes time to tame, but when you've mastered the Stratos, it's unstoppable.

Disobedient: *Shrugs* I don't know anything that's terrible for me.
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I do have a soft spot for the stratos, I use the regular one for one of the PP events, i think the 500 pp races!
 
PureHeavyMetal
Try driving it at the Nurb in completely stock form. It's almost like the front wheels are unable to turn.
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I agree because because when I drove it around Motegi,every time I drove it around that fast corner,it don't want to turn.my integra is better around that fast corner then the vertigo
 
Most: Kubelwagen. It may be getting on for one of the slowest cars in the game but it never understeers or oversteers. It just grips like there is no tomorrow, not bad for 1944.

Least: Alfa Romeo 8C. God I hate that car, it's the only thing stopping me from all golds in the grand tour. It somehow nails that horrible combination of understeer and oversteer in the same corner. It turns in "like a derailed freight train on ice" (I got that from someone else) but also oversteers like it has about 950bhp when it's actually got "only" 450. Hateful car
 
kieran177
Obedient: dodge viper, grips when needed, has fun when appropriate

Disobedient: caterham fireblade, never grips, can be fun but strangely mixed with the 'this thing is going to kill me' kind of feeling
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Really??? For me it's one of the best car ever!:)
 
Got two more.

Obedient: Volkswagen Samba Bus. No understeer, only a teensy bit of oversteer, and quite fast, once you get the revs up (lots of turbo lag).

Disobedient: Bugatti Veyron 16.4. Just because it can go 270+ MPH doesn't mean it's a good idea. This thing has tons of understeer, and even 10/10 brakes can't slow it down fast enough. If you can find a good tune for it, it's at least drivable. God help you if you come across any bends in the road, though.
 
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