MotoGP 2011 (125, Moto2, and MotoGP)

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Honda has definitely been busy, I would imagine their cheque book has taken a beating too. Rossi's 9th is probably a bit disappointing for him but he is the fastest Ducati rider and it is only day one of the three day test.

I know it's stupidly early to be making calls but I'll stick my neck on the line and say Stoner is going to be the man to beat.
 
3 Repsol Hondas in top 5? Oh they're gonna be strong this year! Also, glad to see Colin Edwards in 4th. I guess that Vale still isn't 100% ready after that shoulder injury, but 9th isn't too bad.

Honda has definitely been busy, I would imagine their cheque book has taken a beating too. Rossi's 9th is probably a bit disappointing for him but he is the fastest Ducati rider and it is only day one of the three day test.

I know it's stupidly early to be making calls but I'll stick my neck on the line and say Stoner is going to be the man to beat.


I find Rossi's result to be Solid. Only 1 second off the top time on a new bike after surgery + ahead of Nicky

Chances are he is still focusing more on bike setup rather than pushing for a max time. If he can get within .4 - .5 by season start then That is a great platform to be a contender yet again 👍
 
^ It is solid but it's overshadowed by having nearly all of the Honda's in front of him! It definitely hasn't gone well for him today as Illness forces Valentino Rossi to miss second day in Sepang but it's not all bad as Valentino Rossi thrilled with Ducati progress. Sounds like his shoulder is much improved too.

Honda's have done well again today

1. Casey Stoner AUS Repsol Honda Team 2m 0.171s (43)

2. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team 2m 0.229s (41)

3. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Repsol Honda Team 2m 0.531s (46)

4. Ben Spies USA Yamaha Factory Racing 2m 0.824s (54)

5. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Yamaha Factory Racing 2m 0.931s (45)

6. Marco Simoncelli ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini 2m 1.033s (52)

7. Hiroshi Aoyama JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini 2m 1.439s (64)

8. Colin Edwards USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 2m 1.738s (44)

9. Bike #T2 JPN Yamaha test Rider 2m 1.792s (23)

10. Hector Barbera ESP Aspar Team 2m 1.909s (64)

11. Alvaro Bautista ESP Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 2m 2.035s (35)

12. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Team 2m 2.208s (44)

13. Bike #T1 JPN Yamaha Test Rider 2m 2.596s (54)

14. Randy de Puniet FRA Pramac Racing Team 2m 2.604s (35)

15. Loris Capirossi ITA Pramac Racing Team 2m 2.624s (40)

16. Karel Abraham CZE Cardion AB Motoracing 2m 2.676s (36)

17. Toni Elias ESP LCR Honda MotoGP 2m 2.941s (60)

18. Cal Crutchlow GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 2m 2.984s (40)

19. Nobuatsu Aoki JPN Suzuki Test Rider 2m 4.582s (46)
 
Of all the riders in any level of MotoGP, do you have any underdog or dark horse favorites to win the championship? Do you see any riders coming from nowhere to be a legitimate title threat? Of course, if so... who are your underdogs?
 
Well, one could argue Ben Spies to a degree. Simoncelli is worth a mention too.
 
^ Ditto although it's hard to think of them as underdogs especially when Simoncelli is quicker than Dovi on the factory bike although Gresini Honda's are pretty much factory spec.


Stoner and Pedrosa have both gone extremely fast with the first ever MotoGP laps of Sepang under 2 minutes!

1. Casey Stoner AUS Repsol Honda Team 1m 59.665s (37)
2. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team 1m 59.803s (38)
3. Marco Simoncelli ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini 2m 0.163s (46)
4. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Repsol Honda Team 2m 0.541s (45)
5. Ben Spies USA Yamaha Factory Racing 2m 0.678s (32)
6. Colin Edwards USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 2m 0.966s (29)
7. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Yamaha Factory Racing 2m 1.003s (48)
8. Alvaro Bautista ESP Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 2m 1.194s (34)
9. Hiroshi Aoyama JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini 2m 1.328s (48)
10. Hector Barbera ESP Aspar Team 2m 1.346s (21)
11. Valentino Rossi ITA Ducati Team 2m 1.469s (59)
12. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Team 2m 1.469s (71)
13. Loris Capirossi ITA Pramac Racing Team 2m 1.493s (39)
14. Cal Crutchlow GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 2m 2.034s (50)
15. Randy de Puniet FRA Pramac Racing Team 2m 2.155s (42)
16. Toni Elias ESP LCR Honda MotoGP 2m 2.410s (57)
17. Bike #T1 JPN Yamaha Test Rider 2m 2.457s (40)
18. Karel Abraham CZE Cardion AB Motoracing 2m 2.506s (55)
19. Bike #T2 JPN Yamaha test Rider 2m 3.016s (13)


The third and final 2011 pre-season test will be held at Qatar from 13th March.
 
Stoner and Pedrosa have both gone extremely fast with the first ever MotoGP laps of Sepang under 2 minutes!

That is amazing!

Simoncelli surprises me with his time and I'd name him ''underdog'' with a chance to win championship. Another underdog is definately Abraham, but he has no chance to win championship:D I keep fingers crossed for him though as he's 1st czech rider that made it to MotoGP and that's a great thing for motorsports in Czech republic.
 
Of all the riders in any level of MotoGP, do you have any underdog or dark horse favorites to win the championship? Do you see any riders coming from nowhere to be a legitimate title threat? Of course, if so... who are your underdogs?

Highly unlikely in my opinion. Unless in between now and the season some non-Honda bike turns out to be a revelation like the '07 Ducati. Spies will challenge to some degree, but the eventual champion is likely to be Stoner, Pedrosa or Lorenzo.

I'd say that Rossi is an underdog for the first time in a while, not just because of injury but because the Ducati looks to be two steps behind Honda and Yamaha, so I'd say I'd be pretty surprised if he spends any significant time at the top of the standings.
 
Lorenzo seems to be on the backfoot a bit , allready complaining at the bike needing more power and grip , still all riders will say that .

Jorge and Ben now have to get stuck in and Develop the Bike to suit themselves now that Rossi has gone but more importantly so has JB .

Honda seems to finally have a Bike that is a Title Contender , Took Swedish Forks a Few Ex Yam Technicians and of course Stoner , it seems have hit the Race Track with a rocket up its behind , with Stoner consitently the Fastest Rider its also lit a fire under Pedrosa .

Simo well I hope the kid gets up the front in the Races he's done really well in Testing and seems to have upped his game a lot


Rossi , hmmmm.....well so far its not looking too great , but its early days and I remember when he jumped from Honda to Yamaha everyone wrote him off that time . Ok so he's a bit older and there certainly is a lot more Talent out there , But its Motivation that gives Rossi the Edge and History , Rossi likes his History and both he and JB have a Chance to win a Championship on 3 Different Makes of MotoGP Bike . No one has ever done that not even in the old 500 Days either .

Qatar will be the Real Test for Rossi can he Match or better Stoner's Time on the Last years GP10 Ducati , because as we have seen in the Past when Stoner Stays on the Bike Qatar was a Track Dominated by the Ducati .
 
I'd say that Rossi is an underdog for the first time in a while, not just because of injury but because the Ducati looks to be two steps behind Honda and Yamaha, so I'd say I'd be pretty surprised if he spends any significant time at the top of the standings.

Well I expect him to be a bit slower at the first few stages, but remember what he did with Honda and Yamaha. He started MotoGP on Honda RC211V (not sure about the name) and he made it unbeatable. Then moved to Yamaha M1 and did the same thing. He's genius in terms of bike development and has much more ecperience than most of the field. I can't see why he couldn't do the same with Ducati. Maybe we'll have to wait until 2012 season for that to happen. I think that if he moved to Suzuki he could make it a podium bike. But it's all speculations and we'll have to wait some time to see the truth;)
 
Interesting stuff...if you like the oily bits.

Invent a Better Gearbox

It was Ralph Waldo Emerson who said, “Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door.” It now appears that the Honda Racing Corporation has come up with the mother of better mousetraps in the form of a ‘seamless shift’ transmission that skirts the new FIM rules that were made specifically to avoid just this sort of costly innovation in the most elegant and legal of fashions.

The FIM drew up new regulations to avoid dual clutch gearboxes, the purpose being to avoid increased costs. But the language of the regulations, specifically eliminating dual clutches and effectively preventing Honda from applying their DCT technology that is now available with the VFR1200F, may have been seen as a direct challenge by HRC engineers.

It will be seen as blasphemy by many that the FIM would discourage innovation, but the purpose was to control costs. If a seamless gear change mechanism is essential to winning, the other manufacturers, unless they are already well advanced in the project, will be caught on the wrong foot and with the season’s first race only two weeks away.

It is unfortunate that there was speculation that Honda might be running an ‘illegal’ system. By working within the letter of the law, Honda seem to have sneaked a glorious sunrise past the sleeping FIM rooster.

Unlike Ducati and Yamaha, Honda are a major automobile manufacturer, and in addition to their involvement with Indy Car, Honda were competing in Formula 1 until withdrawing at the end of the 2008 season.

HRC have always been the smartest guy in the MotoGP room—just a little short on people skills (they lost Rossi, and with him probably several MotoGP titles as well). But when it comes to technological innovation—that is what HRC is all about.


Without going into a history of Formula 1 gearbox technology over the last two decades, suffice it to say that F1 has been there and done that.

Various firms have been working to develop fast, compact gearbox mechanisms both with and without DCT.

When a journalist from the Italian Mediaset TV company went online two weeks back claiming that Honda were running a DCT system, GP journalists immediately pointed out that this system was banned under FIM regs and this led to several ‘clutchgate’ articles.

Honda HRC Vice President Shuhei Nakamoto responded at the end of the Sepang tests by saying, “Obviously HRC is not using anything illegal, but it’s true that we have something new on the transmission that currently allows for faster gear changes. We are not talking about a DCT, but I can’t tell you how it works… because I don’t know!”

Honda have a right to be proud and even a little precious about their innovations. The Honda RC212V is very, very fast anyway. At the end of last season the Honda of Dani Pedrosa was often the fastest bike on the track and Jorge Lorenzo admitted as much. So, add a slight new advantage to a bike that ended the 2010 season very strongly and you have the makings of a significant advantage—enough to slot Hondas into the top four places at the Sepang tests.

Whether this is HRC in-house development or the work of a supplier (several journalists have speculated about Britain’s Zeroshift), the fact is that Honda have found something that seems to be a game changer. The company has been working with another British company, Xtrac, in Indy Car racing for some time. Xtrac provide the gearboxes for the 3.5-liter Honda V8 used by all competitors.

So what has Xtrac been up to lately? Well, they just surfaced with information about their “Instantaneous Gearchange System” (IGS) that is described as doing the same thing that a dual clutch system does but with a single clutch.

The Xtrac IGS system incorporates a ratchet and pawl mechanism between each gear hub and the main shaft to allow simultaneous selection of two consecutive gear ratios.

Read about it yourselves at this link: http://sgeauto.com/2010/12/679/


How much is gained by this ‘seamless’ shifting? An article published today at as.com in Madrid speculates that Honda is using a Zeroshift gearbox and quotes the manufacturer as saying that, on an average of 30 shifts per lap, the saving in time compared to a conventional gearbox would be 0.9 of a second.

In a 2008 article about the Zeroshft automobile gearbox the estimated improvement was 0.3 of a second.

In Sepang the fastest of the Honda riders, Casey Stoner, took 1.013 from the fastest of the Yamaha riders, Ben Spies, fifth overall. The ‘slowest’ of the four factory Honda riders, Andrea Dovizioso, was a half second faster that 2010 World Champion Jorge Lorenzo, who was seventh.

Casey Stoner/Honda/1’59.665
Dani Pedrosa/Honda/1’59.803 +0.138
Marco Simoncelli/Honda/2’00.163 +0.498
Andrea Dovizioso/Honda/2’00,541 +0.876
Ben Spies/Yamaha/2’00.678 +1.013
Colin Edwards/Yamaha/2’00.966 +1.301
Jorge Lorenzo/Yamaha/2’01.003 +1.338

So, whether Honda’s gearbox, whoever made it, is giving the Honda riders a couple of tenths or even a lot more is something that only Honda really knows. I can imagine this getting into the heads of Yamaha and Ducati riders.

Honda have got something going, and with Stoner and Pedrosa tucked in behind the screens it could be a rough start of the season for Yamaha and Ducati.

This all reminds me of the start of the 1992 season when Honda suddenly came out with the big-bang 500. By midseason Yamaha had their big bang winning races, but by the time big bang was the accepted configuration, Honda went back to the screamer with major improvements in mapping (plus unleaded gas) to make the screamer as rider friendly as the big bang.

After four years without winning a title, it looks like Honda is back on top, and, as usual, doing it their way.
 
First off the Japanese MotoGP race has been postponed after the earthquake from 24th April to 2nd October. I imagine the start of the season will be particularly difficult for the Japanese teams, good luck guys.

Below are the final test times from Qatar giving Stoner the hat trick from all the test sessions 👍

1. Casey Stoner AUS Repsol Honda Team 1m 55.681s (46)
2. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team 1m 55.745s (39)
3. Ben Spies USA Yamaha Factory Racing 1m 56.294s (45)
4. Marco Simoncelli ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini 1m 56.433s (70)
5. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Repsol Honda Team 1m 56.439s (58)
6. Randy de Puniet FRA Pramac Racing Team 1m 56.445s (67)
7. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Yamaha Factory Racing 1m 56.707s (48)
8. Colin Edwards USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1m 56.716s (57)
9. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Marlboro Team 1m 56.726s (68)
10. Hiroshi Aoyama JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini 1m 56.740s (73)
11. Hector Barbera ESP Mapfre Aspar Team 1m 56.798s (62)
12. Alvaro Bautista ESP Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 1m 56.931s (63)
13. Valentino Rossi ITA Ducati Marlboro Team 1m 56.988s (50)
14. Loris Capirossi ITA Pramac Racing Team 1m 57.345s (62)
15. Cal Crutchlow GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1m 57.730s (28)
16. Karel Abraham CZE Cardion AB Motoracing 1m 57.846s (49)
17. Toni Elias ESP LCR Honda MotoGP 1m 58.536s (57)

It looks like Honda are going to be the bikes to beat, at least at the start of the season, but I'm sure Yamaha and Ducati are burning the midnight oil to catch up.

It is only 5 days until the first race of the season at Qatar. The MotoGP race starts on Sunday at 10pm local time or 7pm GMT, don't forget to set the recorder!

Also Casey Stoner hails new Honda gearbox so the Honda definitely has got something trick inside it :P

Finally here's some photos from the Qatar test, look at the shiny shiny :D

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I am still not used to seeing Rossi on a Ducati. I really hope they can make up the ground to HRC. Otherwise it might be a repeat of 2007.
 
First Practice Results:
Code:
Pos  Rider             Team/Bike       Time       Gap
 1.  Casey Stoner      Honda           1m55.752s
 2.  Dani Pedrosa      Honda           1m56.362s  + 0.610s
 3.  Hector Barbera    Aspar Ducati    1m56.421s  + 0.669s
 4.  Marco Simoncelli  Gresini Honda   1m56.441s  + 0.689s
 5.  Valentino Rossi   Ducati          1m56.479s  + 0.727s
 6.  Ben Spies         Yamaha          1m56.493s  + 0.741s
 7.  Jorge Lorenzo     Yamaha          1m56.586s  + 0.834s
 8.  Andrea Dovizioso  Honda           1m56.592s  + 0.840s
 9.  Randy de Puniet   Pramac Ducati   1m56.790s  + 1.038s
10.  Colin Edwards     Tech 3 Yamaha   1m56.879s  + 1.127s
11.  Nicky Hayden      Ducati          1m56.910s  + 1.158s
12.  Hiroshi Aoyama    Gresini Honda   1m56.987s  + 1.235s
13.  Loris Capirossi   Pramac Ducati   1m57.366s  + 1.614s
14.  Cal Crutchlow     Tech 3 Yamaha   1m57.429s  + 1.677s
15.  Karel Abraham     Cardion Ducati  1m57.821s  + 2.069s
16.  Alvaro Bautista   Suzuki          1m58.528s  + 2.776s
17.  Toni Elias        LCR Honda       1m59.087s  + 3.335s

Looking very interesting!!

I doubt Rossi / Lorenzo could grab pole on the soft tyre, but a race win on the hard is another story...

The paddock is so close!!
6 tenths from 2nd to 12th
 
That is looking very interesting indeed, Stoner is on fire! Rossi's time is quite promising, certainly better than I was expecting. Roll on Sunday.
 
I can't wait for this season to be over, then it's back to the proper bikes and rid of these stupid 800cc ones.

That said I hope my fave Pedrosa can maintain the flashes of brilliance he had last year.
 
The 1000cc bikes are going to be fantastic, hopefully it'll bring a return to some proper sideways action. I think you've got a decent chance of seeing Pedrosa show what he's made of as he seems to be on the best bike at the moment...he has got a pretty handy team mate though.
 
Stoner looks to dominate if he can keep the rubber side down...

Free Practice 1 Times:

Pos Rider Team/Bike Time Gap
1. Casey Stoner Honda 1m55.752s
2. Dani Pedrosa Honda 1m56.362s + 0.610s
3. Hector Barbera Aspar Ducati 1m56.421s + 0.669s
4. Marco Simoncelli Gresini Honda 1m56.441s + 0.689s
5. Valentino Rossi Ducati 1m56.479s + 0.727s
6. Ben Spies Yamaha 1m56.493s + 0.741s
7. Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha 1m56.586s + 0.834s
8. Andrea Dovizioso Honda 1m56.592s + 0.840s
9. Randy de Puniet Pramac Ducati 1m56.790s + 1.038s
10. Colin Edwards Tech 3 Yamaha 1m56.879s + 1.127s
11. Nicky Hayden Ducati 1m56.910s + 1.158s
12. Hiroshi Aoyama Gresini Honda 1m56.987s + 1.235s
13. Loris Capirossi Pramac Ducati 1m57.366s + 1.614s
14. Cal Crutchlow Tech 3 Yamaha 1m57.429s + 1.677s
15. Karel Abraham Cardion Ducati 1m57.821s + 2.069s
16. Alvaro Bautista Suzuki 1m58.528s + 2.776s
17. Toni Elias LCR Honda 1m59.087s + 3.335s

and Free Practice 2:

Pos Rider Team/Bike Time Gap
1. Casey Stoner Honda 1m55.457s
2. Dani Pedrosa Honda 1m55.854s + 0.397s
3. Ben Spies Yamaha 1m56.116s + 0.659s
4. Andrea Dovizioso Honda 1m56.172s + 0.715s
5. Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha 1m56.220s + 0.763s
6. Colin Edwards Tech 3 Yamaha 1m56.259s + 0.802s
7. Marco Simoncelli Gresini Honda 1m56.378s + 0.921s
8. Cal Crutchlow Tech 3 Yamaha 1m56.518s + 1.061s
9. Valentino Rossi Ducati 1m56.532s + 1.075s
10. Nicky Hayden Ducati 1m56.626s + 1.169s
11. Randy de Puniet Pramac Ducati 1m56.668s + 1.211s
12. Hector Barbera Aspar Ducati 1m56.735s + 1.278s
13. Hiroshi Aoyama Gresini Honda 1m56.790s + 1.333s
14. Alvaro Bautista Suzuki 1m56.833s + 1.376s
15. Loris Capirossi Pramac Ducati 1m57.304s + 1.847s
16. Karel Abraham Cardion Ducati 1m57.683s + 2.226s
17. Toni Elias LCR Honda 1m58.801s + 3.344s
 
I think it is best keeping all MotoGP discussion in one thread, it would be spread a little bit too thin otherwise...F1 on the other hand has more posts per race than a whole season of MotoGP :ouch: :lol:

FP3 has just finished with Stoner fastest again closely followed by Pedrosa. Lorenzo was 4th 0.8s off the pace and Rossi was 8th 1.3s off. Although it's a good indication of how they're doing the race is a different matter.
 
I'm loving these nightly events. Very colorful :)

Great performance from countryman Miguel Oliveira in 125. 1st championship, 1st time with the team, 1st time in Quatar, 6th time, despite a couple minor falls that show how hard he's trying.

Moto2 very tight and spectacular drifting, another awesome championship is coming.

MotoGP, Hondas are fast and look easy to push, making Stoners' life look easy. Spies showing his speed and marginally ahead of Lorenzo. Looks like a 2 way (Honda/Yamaha) championship for now, with Rossi struggling to adapt to the Ducati, since he couldn't change it to his liking.

Can't wait for the real thing on Sunday!

Edit: actually was not reading the final timetable, but the rest still applies
 
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It's Sunday :D

MotoGP warm up in 2 hours and the race in 6. Also not forgetting 125cc starts in 3 hours and Moto2 in 4 and a bit.

Qualifying times below, it looks like it will be Stoner's to lose.

1. Casey Stoner AUS Repsol Honda Team 1m 54.137s
2. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team 1m 54.342s
3. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Yamaha Factory Racing 1m 54.947s
4. Marco Simoncelli ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini 1m 54.988s
5. Ben Spies USA Yamaha Factory Racing 1m 55.095s
6. Hector Barbera ESP Mapfre Aspar Team 1m 55.223s
7. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Repsol Honda Team 1m 55.229s
8. Cal Crutchlow GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1m 55.578s
9. Valentino Rossi ITA Ducati Marlboro Team 1m 55.637s
10. Colin Edwards USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1m 55.647s
11. Randy de Puniet FRA Pramac Racing Team 1m 55.656s
12. Hiroshi Aoyama JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini 1m 55.724s
13. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Marlboro Team 1m 55.881s
14. Loris Capirossi ITA Pramac Racing Team 1m 56.323s
15. Karel Abraham CZE Cardion AB Motoracing 1m 56.665s
16. Toni Elias ESP LCR Honda MotoGP 1m 57.992s
 
It was quite a good race. I like this idea of night racing, it looks cool.
Hondas are flying and if Yamaha and Ducati want to give them some competition they have a lot of work in front of them. Good race by Lorenzo though. He put everything into it , deserved 2nd place and was happy with it.
I hoped for Vale to be in top 5, didn't make it but 7th isn't too bad. I hope he's gonna get faster and faster.
Biggest dissapointment for me was Elias. I reckon there was something wrong with his bike.
But it was good start of the season, some intense battles for 1st place, I think we can look forward to next races.👍
 
I think Stoner was really at ease. He just saved his tires and when he though it was time, blasted forward. Dovi and Pedrosa couldn't keep up on identical (?) machines.

Lorenzo used everything he had. From track and bike experience, perfect setup, to the perfect mindset. Going as fast as he could but keeping it real and knowing best to "settle" for an excellent 2nd place ahead of 2 Hondas, theoretically more suited to this track.

Simoncelli 👍 fast and fearless as usual.

If Spies hadn't made a mess of the start, and Rossi of turn one, they could have been with the 2nd->5th pack, at least for most of the race.

Remaining drivers light years away... 26s from leader, Edwards leading the last pack.

Toni Elias :boggled: How much un-adapted can someone be to a bike? I think that thing may just be too terrible for (at least him) to ride.
 
I was watching some highlights of the MotoGP 125 race at Losail. The Moto2 race will follow. Part of me still never really wonders if this Moto2 package is better than the former 250 class.

All congratulations to Casey Stoner on a job well done in the MotoGP class. Bring on the next race at Jerez!
 
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