MW3 vs BF3

[a6m5]

WHERE THE 🤬 DID I SAY CoD 4??? I said that they are relaunching MW2 with another name EVERY 🤬 YEAR and I don't expect this is going to be any different in MW3 and future CoD games.

Only one another Modern Warfare game in existence(for PS3/X360) is the Call of Duty 4, the first Modern Warfare. They were released two years apart.

I think you are thinking of Call of Duty games called Black Ops & World at War, which were created by Treyarch, not Infinity Ward. After purchasing & playing their World at War, I had them written off. Didn't even bother playing Black Ops. These two games are not Modern Warfare games. Made by different studios, though both were released through Activision as part of the Call of Duty series. I think I did read that World at War was based on CoD4 engine.

As for the questions:

1 - A lot.
2 - Nope.
3 - Nope.

As for now, I'd say I'm at:

1) MW3
2) BF3
3) Counter Strike

The #2 & 3 are a lot closer to the top now though. I'm just looking for good enough excuse to jump ship, and there's plenty of time for me to decide.

 

[poolhaas]

If you can't decide, you won't go to hell if you buy both games.
Feeling in a tactical mood, put in BF. Want to tear stuff up go for MW

 

[cuco33]

I love both franchises and I'll definitely be getting both on day 1 but I have to admit... I am MASSIVELY looking forward to BF3 more so than COD. COD for me just felt like expansions and rehashes of the same game. Proven formula yes but I got tired of all the Michael Bay-ness gayness going on in the game. It's not fun getting into a match to go on dieing a bunch of times due to artillery strikes and pavelows and rcxds and valkerie missles launched from campers. At least in BF series I'll be able to blow out the wall the camper is camping in leaving him exposed... and usually I'll do it with a tank and will gun him down

One thing is for sure. I refuse to buy any DLC for COD anymore. Just don't play it enough to warrant the DLC cost and $15ea x 3 expansions puts COD:BLOPS overall cost at $105 if you paid new, only to deal with camping teeny boppers. Only time I pop in COD now is when I link up with friends, and I've played every COD since the 1st one. COD2 on PC was epic for me, up until my PC died. COD4 on console was epic for me. Everything after has not really sat as good as those games.

 

[a6m5]

I love both franchises and I'll definitely be getting both on day 1 but I have to admit... I am MASSIVELY looking forward to BF3 more so than COD. COD for me just felt like expansions and rehashes of the same game. Proven formula yes but I got tired of all the Michael Bay-ness gayness going on in the game. It's not fun getting into a match to go on dieing a bunch of times due to artillery strikes and pavelows and rcxds and valkerie missles launched from campers. At least in BF series I'll be able to blow out the wall the camper is camping in leaving him exposed... and usually I'll do it with a tank and will gun him down

One thing is for sure. I refuse to buy any DLC for COD anymore. Just don't play it enough to warrant the DLC cost and $15ea x 3 expansions puts COD:BLOPS overall cost at $105 if you paid new, only to deal with camping teeny boppers. Only time I pop in COD now is when I link up with friends, and I've played every COD since the 1st one. COD2 on PC was epic for me, up until my PC died. COD4 on console was epic for me. Everything after has not really sat as good as those games.

As for avoiding dying, there are ways with most popular one being Cold Blooded Pro.

So ivoyared is right that there aren't any foreseeable things you have to buy like map packs, or something similar to CoD Elite? While it is not at all a deal breaker, it would be plus for me.

Battlefield fans, sell me the game(BF3). What are its' advantages over Modern Warfare? So far, I've gotten that you can have tanks, blowout walls. I've never seen a playable demo on PSN Store, so I just figured it's their loss, never got to try it. One thing for sure, I will not know many people, if any, playing BF3 in real life. I don't care, as just about everybody I know sucks on MW or the 2. All my capable teammates are from Clan [GTP].

 

[Patrick]

Battlefield is going to have dedicated servers and a open beta unlike CoD.

 

[slims]

"Will the new Battlefield game have additional cost, similar to MW's CoD Elite, map packs, etc.?"

3 - Nope.

I wouldn't say 100% nope to the last question. The extra maps available to the people who preorder the game will be available at a later date but nowhere does it say that they will be free DLC.
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/24135/EA-Addresses-Battlefield-3-Preorder-Concerns/

The Back to Karkand expansion provides the following 5 classic maps - "Strike at Karkand," "Wake Island," "Gulf of Oman" and "Sharqi Peninsula". These additional maps will become available for non-preoder customers sometime after the full game launches.

Oh and your argument about them, "RELAUNCHING MW2 EVERY YEAR!!!!!!" is quite invalid. You make it seem like there's been a ton of CoD games since MW2 yet only Black Ops has come out since then and those two games do have quite a bit of differences.

 

[a6m5]

Ah, thanks slims.

And isn't BF3 EA? If so, I'd be really surprised that EA wouldn't want to pad their profit off this game. They are as greedy as they come IMO.

Battlefield is going to have dedicated servers and a open beta unlike CoD.

What does that do, exactly? I'd imagine that players rage-quitting becomes non-issue. Does it do anything else? Really good input, I appreciate it. 👍

 

[OLDSKOOLACURA]

Everyone has good arguments for their loved game. (I'm a huge BC2 fan).

both are great games (in different ways), but the thing that makes my hate COD games are

-yes they are just copying and pasting a "new" game every year with a different name and a few new things.
-team killing &%(&^%&*^ are everywhere
-no real strategy you just run around with your finger on the trigger (which I love/hate).

both are great games in different ways but I'm not wasting my money on MW3, but I already pre-ordered BF3 a long time ago.

 

[Patrick]

Ah, thanks slims.

And isn't BF3 EA? If so, I'd be really surprised that EA wouldn't want to pad their profit off this game. They are as greedy as they come IMO.

What does that do, exactly? I'd imagine that players rage-quitting becomes non-issue. Does it do anything else? Really good input, I appreciate it. 👍

Ya it means no one will be a host and people rage quoting won't do anything.

 

[Omnis]

This thread is a couple months too early.

Although BF3 does look a little more attractive for me. I can't log hours on COD games like a lot of people can. As soon as first prestige becomes available those games start to bore me a little.

 

[a6m5]

-yes they are just copying and pasting a "new" game every year with a different name and a few new things.

You guys need a new name for that, because that's not what copying & pasting is. NBA Live could've been considered a copy & paste back in the day. New roster, few new things, new guy on the box, same game.

What works for me on CoD4(Modern Warfare 1) definitely does not work on MW2. New perks & kill streak rewards changed everything. Overpowering air support from AC130 to three different choppers. Predator drone? World at War was in WWII with tanks & dogs for god's sake. And that's just off the top of my head.

 

[Sharky.]

I said that they are relaunching MW2 with another name EVERY 🤬 YEAR

How many COD titles have come out since MW2?


That's right, one. And it wasn't anything like MW2. If you play COD you know just how different Black Ops is to Modern Warfare 2... I assume you've never played either of those games, because if you have the difference is immediately apparent.

As for MW3 being MW2 in a new suit, what exactly is IW supposed to do when MW2 played so well once you ignored the retarded stuff like Commando and noobtubes? They're (supposedly) removing all the douchebaggy stuff that was in MW2, changing up the unlock and killstreak system and overhauling Spec Ops. About the only things that are going to be identical/very similar to MW2 that I can see thus far are the UI and the way the game feels... that's relaunching MW2 with a new name?

If anything, DICE is the one relaunching an older game in a new suit - what more can DICE add to BF3 that wasn't in BF2?

 

[CMvan46]

You guys need a new name for that, because that's not what copying & pasting is. NBA Live could've been considered a copy & paste back in the day. New roster, few new things, new guy on the box, same game.

What works for me on CoD4(Modern Warfare 1) definitely does not work on MW2. New perks & kill streak rewards changed everything. Overpowering air support from AC130 to three different choppers. Predator drone? World at War was in WWII with tanks & dogs for god's sake. And that's just off the top of my head.

Same engine, same ideas, same killstreaks for the last 3 games (more or less), only marginally better graphics.... That's why BF supporters say copy and paste. Killstreaks besides the chopler gunner, ac-130 and nuke really haven't changed in 3 years. And don't get me started on perks.

I used to love COD and then I found BC2 after Black Ops got boring, now it's BF or nothing.

 

[Sharky.]

You realise the AC-130 and nuke were only in MW2 and the CG was in MW2 and Blops, right?

 

[CMvan46]

You realise the AC-130 and nuke were only in MW2 and the CG was in MW2 and Blops, right?

Well aware. I'm saying besides those three killstreaks, they haven't changed much...

 

[Icarus25]

Shhhh...you're starting to talk common sense. The CoD haters will stick to their blind views no matter what you say. It will be riotous fun shoving the same detractions back at them when the next BF game uses the same engine with barely improved graphics, giving players the same weapons and the same killstreak rewards.

 

[Sharky.]

COD4 and W@W had fixed 3-5-7 killstreaks
MW2 gave the player the option to choose their own killstreaks

COD4 and W@W only had one version of each perk
MW2 introduced "pro" versions which had extra/upgraded effects

MW2 had shotgun and machine pistol secondaries, the other games were pistols only
MW2 added the ability to dual-wield certain weapons
MW2 added new perks like Scavenger and Bling, changed Extreme Conditioning to infinite sprint and called it Marathon etc
W@W had tanks
W@W had the "War" gametype
Black Ops removed Stopping Power and created a couple of new perks like Tactical Mask, Hacker and Flak Jacket

I dunno, there's a few changes in that list...

 

[CMvan46]

Shhhh...you're starting to talk common sense. The CoD haters will stick to their blind views no matter what you say. It will be riotous fun shoving the same detractions back at them when the next BF game uses the same engine with barely improved graphics, giving players the same weapons and the same killstreak rewards.

Dice hasn't used the same engine for two games yet (unless you include that crap they call Medal of Honor). Plus we don't have killstreaks on this side of the fence WE are the air support. There are no rewards for lone wolfing in BF besides a fancy pin haha.

 

[CMvan46]

COD4 and W@W had fixed 3-5-7 killstreaks
MW2 gave the player the option to choose their own killstreaks

COD4 and W@W only had one version of each perk
MW2 introduced "pro" versions which had extra/upgraded effects

MW2 had shotgun and machine pistol secondaries, the other games were pistols only
MW2 added the ability to dual-wield certain weapons
MW2 added new perks like Scavenger and Bling, changed Extreme Conditioning to infinite sprint and called it Marathon etc
W@W had tanks
W@W had the "War" gametype
Black Ops removed Stopping Power and created a couple of new perks like Tactical Mask, Hacker and Flak Jacket

I dunno, there's a few changes in that list...

Uav, airstrike, chopper been in every game since COD 4. Flak Jacket is a fancy new juggernaut...from Cod 4. Dual pistols/shotgun is just like adding a special new gun where you can't aim but have extra stopping power. Machine pistols were instead of the Cod 4 perk allowing two primary weapons.

Keep buying it, I don't care other than your making the wrong decision ;p

Oh and Dice supported BC2 with FREE maps and the $15 add on was an expansion with 4 maps AND new weapons AND new vehicles.


Edit: sorry for double post. Blaming it on the app on my phone.

 

[Sharky.]

Keep buying it, I don't care other than your making the wrong decision ;p

I'm making the wrong decision eh? Guess I'd better not buy BF3 like I was planning to, and slap some money down on MW3 then because you said I'm making the wrong decision!

 

[CMvan46]

I'm making the wrong decision eh? Guess I'd better not buy BF3 like I was planning to, and slap some money down on MW3 then because you said I'm making the wrong decision!

I was joking haha. I don't care what anybody buys as long as I get BF lol.

 

[a6m5]

Same engine, same ideas, same killstreaks for the last 3 games (more or less), only marginally better graphics.... That's why BF supporters say copy and paste. Killstreaks besides the chopler gunner, ac-130 and nuke really haven't changed in 3 years. And don't get me started on perks.

I used to love COD and then I found BC2 after Black Ops got boring, now it's BF or nothing.

So are you saying that it is a copy & paste, or is it that you don't necessarily agree with the take, but you are merely clarifying their position?

If I was getting chased around by dogs & German tanks in MW2, I might buy some of your argument. Or if player controlled AC130 were firing at me in WaW, I might have bought this "copy & paste" label.

I couldn't care less which game might possibly be better than the other. What I don't get is this "copy & paste" business, when it is clearly not. As I said, the game play has changed so much between CoD4(MW1) & MW2, I can not play the same way and succeed. Kill streak rewards & new perks were huge game changer for the multiplayer. World at War was so horrid I didn't even buy Treyarch's next game, Black Ops. Again, dogs & tanks.

Edit: While I was reading up on the subject, missed some of the posts. CMvan is a fanboy isn't he? He is right, we are wrong. Sounds very familiar. Copy & paste right?

 

[OLDSKOOLACURA]

Ah, thanks slims.

And isn't BF3 EA? If so, I'd be really surprised that EA wouldn't want to pad their profit off this game. They are as greedy as they come IMO.

What does that do, exactly? I'd imagine that players rage-quitting becomes non-issue. Does it do anything else? Really good input, I appreciate it. 👍

how are they greedy?? I bought the game when it came out (BC2) and have NOT payed a penny towards it, aside from........crap I forget the name of the two maps but they came out a long time after it was released. Not like they released the game and 3 weeks later they have DLC you have to pay for.......COUGH.....COUGH... yes you can buy things like a special gun which is worse then the one you get. They made a great game and that is that

 

[OLDSKOOLACURA]

You guys need a new name for that, because that's not what copying & pasting is. NBA Live could've been considered a copy & paste back in the day. New roster, few new things, new guy on the box, same game.

What works for me on CoD4(Modern Warfare 1) definitely does not work on MW2. New perks & kill streak rewards changed everything. Overpowering air support from AC130 to three different choppers. Predator drone? World at War was in WWII with tanks & dogs for god's sake. And that's just off the top of my head.

sports is a different game all together, and you are not proving your point. You can only do so much with a sports game, but with a first person shooter you can add maps that only could be dreamed of and there are tons of different kinds of guns out there and they always seem to stick with the same kind, which there is nothing wrong with that but they dont' really add anything new.

 

[OLDSKOOLACURA]

Same engine, same ideas, same killstreaks for the last 3 games (more or less), only marginally better graphics.... That's why BF supporters say copy and paste. Killstreaks besides the chopler gunner, ac-130 and nuke really haven't changed in 3 years. And don't get me started on perks.

I used to love COD and then I found BC2 after Black Ops got boring, now it's BF or nothing.

well said sir 👍 I agree 100%

all in all I'm happy COD is "more popular" because it has all the team killing %##$%%# and ^%#$%#$ to go play their COD repeat and leaves the gamers that want to play a Military game (BF) will less lag and more real team players that are easier to find.

 

[CMvan46]

Edit: While I was reading up on the subject, missed some of the posts. CMvan is a fanboy isn't he? He is right, we are wrong. Sounds very familiar. Copy & paste right?

Hahaha you could not be father from the truth.

These are my opinions as those are yours. To me dogs and chopper gunner are the same other than an AI control or player.

People may agree with me or you and to be quite frank I couldn't care less. It's a video game and it's for enjoyment, play whatever you like better.

But in the end I'M RIGHT!!!!....uh oh run from people taking this far to serious. I enjoy a good debate

 

[a6m5]

I'm into this discussion as I'm trying to decide on which game I want to commit to next. Instead, I'm having to defend Modern Warfare from ridiculous accusation.

I'm under the impression that both games are going to be fine. I wish we could get the fanboyism out of the way, focus on what makes each game great. Other words, it is great that you love your Battlefield game. Awesome. But I want to hear more about what makes Battlefield great, not so much why you don't like Call of Duty games.

how are they greedy?? I bought the game when it came out (BC2) and have NOT payed a penny towards it, aside from........crap I forget the name of the two maps but they came out a long time after it was released. Not like they released the game and 3 weeks later they have DLC you have to pay for.......COUGH.....COUGH... yes you can buy things like a special gun which is worse then the one you get. They made a great game and that is that

My perception on EA's greed doesn't have anything to do with Battlefield as I don't know much about the game.

I was given the impression that there might not be premium add-on's, but looks like that was not the case.

sports is a different game all together, and you are not proving your point. You can only do so much with a sports game, but with a first person shooter you can add maps that only could be dreamed of and there are tons of different kinds of guns out there and they always seem to stick with the same kind, which there is nothing wrong with that but they dont' really add anything new.

You nitpick my post, pick only the part that suits your argument, then tell me that I'm not proving my point?

Hahaha you could not be father from the truth.

These are my opinions as those are yours. To me dogs and chopper gunner are the same other than an AI control or player.

People may agree with me or you and to be quite frank I couldn't care less. It's a video game and it's for enjoyment, play whatever you like better.

But in the end I'M RIGHT!!!!....uh oh run from people taking this far to serious. I enjoy a good debate

I don't know about debate. It seems pretty one way to me. No on the dogs, huh? How about the tanks? Are they still a copy & paste? j/k

Edit:

Military game

And that's what I'm after. I want more on stuff like this. What makes it more realistic military game?

 

[GumShoe]

About the only things that are going to be identical/very similar to MW2 that I can see thus far are the UI and the way the game feels... that's relaunching MW2 with a new name?

To me, MW2 'feels' so similar to the experience of MW - without all the blow you away moments - that I feel I might as well go back and play MW. I found the career of MW2 quite lacking in comparison, and multiplayer FELT like almost the same thing, regardless of what rewards and kits had changed. After the hours I put into MW (and WoW), I tried some MP MW2 but I just felt like I was experiencing more of the same thing. I haven't even bothered with Black Ops because there's nothing in there that looks like a brand new experience, rather just tweaks and add-ons for the current one.

I'd say if you want more of the MW experience then go ahead with Black Ops etc, because you'll get that with more bells and whistles, but if you want a new experience, try something different.

I hope BF3 turns out well, I also hope that when it gets here Ghost Recon FS is something a bit different that works well...

 

[CMvan46]

I was debating with you?

Okay well BF is awesome because the maps are massive. Not as a shot at MW but you could literally fit 2 or 3 maps from that game in a lot of BF maps. This works though because these huge areas have vehicles to get around them.

There are no kill streak rewards. If you want air support then (you must be playing a map with a chopper) you must get a good pilot and gunner and do it yourself. There is a UAV but it is player controlled. Like a mini helicopter you control from a set station.

Guns have recoil and bullet drop which makes being a good sniper a decent challenge.

There isn't perks like in COD, there are a few but the only one that causes debate for thee most part is magnum ammo which is something of a stopping power and should be taken out. Because of the lack of perks if you need ammo you need a player of the assault class to get it to you. Medics give you health and revive you and engineers fix vehicles and recon (if done right) is great in support and spots players easily.

Almost forgot destructible environments which look very much improved with the new engine for BF3. In bc2 you can blow away a wall or portions of buildings. Take down enough walls and the building crumbles. This is great for eliminating campers and forcing them to move. According to the BF3 MP trailer you can now knock off chunks of buildings at a time which can kill or hurt those in its way.

 

[BubbleBelly542]

Running around like a headless chicken does not work in BF.

Works fine for me. I don't have any friends and I play alone all the time. I work better that way because I'm not busy smack-talking my team-mates.