My GT4 impression

[j8mie]

Exactly, I dont even like driving the F1 cars in the GTs, I even avoid F1 games cause there so plain boring.

I have a NTSC version with a NTSC PSTwo.

Sorry. I misread your first post. I thought you said you had a PAL copy. Me bad.

Still you can hardly call an F1 car and series in GT4 as a bad thing, it's not exactly replacing anything and it's adding diversity.

Besides, the goal of the GT series is to eventually offer all aspects of car racing known.

Both are very true L4S. However, I do feel that there is plenty PD need to work on to improve the game. For example the AI in GT4 is not meant to be much better than GT3's, and more European cars would have been nice. I'd much rather they had sorted the AI out and dropped the F1 cars. I guess it comes down to what you want from the game. Each to their own.

Cheers, Jamie

 

[NoQuarter]

This is the information I was refering to, concerning downforce...

From Big Wings - not just for looks ! at the GTX.

Today, having stuck a wing on my lime Stratos purely for looks, I realised that I could now choose up to 30 units of downforce in the garage - front and rear! There's no visible change to the front of the car, but obviously there's an airdam or something. Anyway, it works - just like with fitting [R] bodies in GT1, cornering is a a whole new ballgame with the air pressing you to the ground. I can now take on and beat LM cars in the Dream Car Challenge with my (heavily tuned) RX-7 from the used-car lot.

 

[Dave A]

The thing is you can't say if they'd not put in the F1 races they'd have had more time to do the AI, one the only hard part making the F1 series would be modeling the car, to create the series would require very little work, secondly the pepole that structure the game, model the cars and program the AI are all different people, if the car modelling guy stops modelling cars he doesn't start programing the AI, that only happens in very small development teams where theres not enough staff to do all the jobs like the guys who did Live for speed.

 

[Taneras]

The only way I'd complain about the AI is if it was worse then it was in GT3. I wasn't disapointed at the AI in GT3 at all... I wasn't impressed with it by any means, but then again I didn't think it was horrible.

Even if GT4's AI is a tad bit better then GT3, I'm not going to care too much. I really didn't find anything wrong with the AI in GT3...

BTW, live4speed, nice avatar. Looks like we have similar taste in women 👍

 

[smellysocks12]

Do you know what neons aren't in GT4?

I've seen a pic of a skyline with blue neon light at the front.






I like the spoilers, it's additional, if you don't like one on your car, don't get them, it's simple. Same for the NO's. I probably won't use them often either.... maybe just to try it out.

 

[ragundy]

Ehi j8mie, your signature is wrong; Release date is 9 march 2005.

 

[Glut]

Just on the topic of N2O (because I know all you guys love it)
I'd say that it's been added for the D1 crowd, as there are a few D1 cars that use it to cover holes in their power curve. IIRC the DRFT S15 is one of those cars, but I'm too lazy too look it up.

 

[Red Six]

NOS isn't a bug, nor a negative point. Don't use it, that's all there is to it. the AI will NEVER use NOS, so let it go.

Spoilers are NECESSARY when driving a highly tuned FR, MR, or RR car...what makes you think they suck?

Say rice once and I'll completely disregard your entire "impression" as it was pretty good up until those two points.

my thoughts exactly!

 

[Taneras]

I've seen a pic of a skyline with blue neon light at the front.

Were not talking about stock add-on's here. The spoilers and nitrous are options, and he was talking about neon lighting being an option. I know some cars have neons in GT4, but thats because they have them in real life.

 

[Moadib]

You know what, you stick to your guns. I hope you pull up next to a mustang at a red light one day thats had a 351 swap, and purges his nitrous next to you. Then blows your doors off when the light turns green, and all you can see through the smoke far off in the distance, are his tail lights and "wing". But its ok, because pretending its a need for speed car makes you feel better... And thats all that matters

My only hope in that situation, is that his NOS takes him soooooo far away that he can't see me in hysterical laughter. Laughing at thinking it's some kind of race to be able to go fast in a straight line. Laughing at spending so much on a car that can't go round corners. Laughing at whacking a huge wing on a car and thinking it makes him look like a racer.

Nitrous, wings, skirts, rims - all of these things and more are related to a particular "sect" of the market - but one which has VERY little to do with the kind of racing which is showcased by the GT serious, up to and including GT4.

If PD want to include them (or perhaps under pressure from Sony) that's fine by me, I can choose not to use them. - but it's not an opinion I'll ram down someone's throat. Only when someone starts telling me they're better than a proper car - then I do have a quiet chortle. Give it a few years - once people have matured they'll cringe with embarrasment at the kind of things they drove, and how sad it was to think burning someone off in a straight line race with the aid of nitrous is even remotely cool.

Getting a better laptime around the ring in an equivalent car shows you are a better driver. Pressing a button and beating someone in a straight line "race" shows only that you have more money and less embarrasment.

My humble opinion only. I fully appreciate and accept others will love this stuff, and don't mind it being in GT4. I DO retain the right to laugh at it though....

 

[DappaDaRealist]

Wings aint a bad idea, i mean REAL race cars have them, why isit frowned upon by people in this thread, its not strictley a 'ricer' thing afterall, it alows for downforce, oh ye and if you dont want a wing on your car youve got the option and the right not to fit one on As for NOS personaly i wouldnt use it in ANY race, - but then i would like to use it once and awhile on the drag strip.
any ways im just happy the option there if you one day say to your self, 'mmm I wonder how fast my car will go with a lil more boost?'

 

[EJ20TMAN]

Nitrous, wings, skirts, rims - all of these things and more are related to a particular "sect" of the market - but one which has VERY little to do with the kind of racing which is showcased by the GT serious, up to and including GT4.

If PD want to include them (or perhaps under pressure from Sony) that's fine by me, I can choose not to use them. - but it's not an opinion I'll ram down someone's throat. Only when someone starts telling me they're better than a proper car - then I do have a quiet chortle. Give it a few years - once people have matured they'll cringe with embarrasment at the kind of things they drove, and how sad it was to think burning someone off in a straight line race with the aid of nitrous is even remotely cool.

Getting a better laptime around the ring in an equivalent car shows you are a better driver. Pressing a button and beating someone in a straight line "race" shows only that you have more money and less embarrasment.

My humble opinion only. I fully appreciate and accept others will love this stuff, and don't mind it being in GT4. I DO retain the right to laugh at it though....

What are u talking about???? You dont even know what RICE is, original rice is when someone mods there car with fake racing stuff that has NO function besides looks, fast and furious didnt invent NOS and big GT wings. They were copyed from true racing cars, Proper GT wings and ground effect's (sideskirts etc) were invented for there abilty to make downforce, and last time i checked downforce is vital in track racing. on the topic of NOS, altho realiy used in track racing, it is used extensivly in drag racing. What is wrong with using NOS???? whats the diff between NOS and upping the boost or adding more timing advance to gain more power?? NOTHING. What is wrong is peoples mind set

 

[petsmart]

its sad how they put nos on gt4 but i cant complain till i play it

 

[petsmart]

the reason why peeps dont like nos is that every other game uses nos example NFS1 and NFS2.....Midnight Club.........2 Fast 2 Furious The Gay and The Curious......add nos to this game kind of degrades the GT4 series and if A.I does not use nos then why add it in the first place...if your talking about horsepower wise then its kind of cheating if u use it and the comp does not...... dont you think.
👍

 

[lnasphinx]

i was looking through some replays and noticed something: when you drive on the real tracks, there are almost no audience, it's like driving on a morning training.... and it really ruins the atmosphere for me.... i hope i am wrong with this

 

[EJ20TMAN]

Why does it degrade the game???? Its a real life thing that can give u performance edge, ok i think its a bit pointless on the track. if AI dont use it thats the AI's prob. I had experiances with N2O long before FF 2f2f and any other of those things that exadgerate the power gain. N2O has been in drag racing use sencie the early 80's

 

[1995_eclipse]

I totally agree with EJ20TMAN... if the AI dont use nos... its there problem... how is using nos cheating anyway... its like saying putting a turbo or something in you car is cheating... its not... so stop talking crap...

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

What does that NOS look like if you use it?? If you just hear a sound wich sounds like
your getting more speed, I think it's OK, but if you see a blue flame out of the back and the car is all shaking, it IS more like GTA San Andreas and NFS, but I still don't mind it being there in any case.

 

[BlackZ28]

Finally someone agrees with me, NOS sucks, certainly if you can use it in all the races(dont know this is true)

Spiolers suck too

The only reason they include NOS and wings is because they can feel the pressure of Need for Speed Underground 2 and upcoming games like Forza and Enthousia. Otherwise they would have included it in GT3.

I'm sure GT4 will be the best racing game ever, even with NOS and wings, but please dont insert neonlights and side skirts in GT5

This is my opinion, I know i will get lot's of commentary on this post, but I'm a big boi, i can handle it

I like NOS and spoilers, but I must give you props where it's due: its a marketing ploy to get more involved, thanks to NFSU2 and **** like that. I do feel, however, the GT series isnt the type of game to involve NOS.

 

[EJ20TMAN]

What does that NOS look like if you use it?? If you just hear a sound wich sounds like
your getting more speed, I think it's OK, but if you see a blue flame out of the back and the car is all shaking, it IS more like GTA San Andreas and NFS, but I still don't mind it being there in any case.

yeah spott on, as long as its realistic whats the prob

 

[j8mie]

The thing is you can't say if they'd not put in the F1 races they'd have had more time to do the AI, one the only hard part making the F1 series would be modeling the car, to create the series would require very little work, secondly the pepole that structure the game, model the cars and program the AI are all different people, if the car modelling guy stops modelling cars he doesn't start programing the AI, that only happens in very small development teams where theres not enough staff to do all the jobs like the guys who did Live for speed.

Ok so maybe the F1 cars was a bad example. But I do think PD need to do alot more work on the AI. I'm fed up of cars driving into the back on me, just because I've out braked them into a corner. Admitily, I've not played GT4, but all the videos I've seen have shown AI cars hitting into each other. Sure it happens in racing, but in the GT cars, it always seems to happen at corners.

Ehi j8mie, your signature is wrong; Release date is 9 march 2005.

Well spotted that man. Sig changed

I really do think that you either love or hate Nitrous and spoilers. Each an to their own I guess.

Cheers, Jamie

 

[Caligula1]

No one has clarified about whether oil light still comes on - (with odometer not working in championships). This is a key question as it would determine whether this would deliberate to prevent loss of power, or a bug.

Can the championship series races be run individually as in GT3 - would be grateful for an answer to this.

Cheers

 

[miura909]

"Can the championship series races be run individually as in GT3" -> yes they can.

The odometer not working is a bug and is a bad thing bacause unlike GT3, in GT4 you can change the oil of your car in the middle of a championship.

The N2O in GT4 is a gauge like the fuel gauge but in the right side and to activate it you press R1 ( select changes the views now ). You can set the N2O for more duration or more power. I only use it for drags or for top speed runs but I don't it being in the game at all.

What bothers me in this game is hidden front wings (LOL), for me if you cant see them they're not there... AI ( which is crap ).... anyway the game is awesome.

 

[miura909]

( * I don't mind it being in the game )

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

What bothers me in this game is hidden front wings (LOL), for me if you cant see them they're not there... AI ( which is crap ).... anyway the game is awesome.

I always thought that the front "wings" were under the car, that air intake thing, BUT I really know NOTHING about those things, it just came up to my mind 👍

 

[Taneras]

My only hope in that situation, is that his NOS takes him soooooo far away that he can't see me in hysterical laughter. Laughing at thinking it's some kind of race to be able to go fast in a straight line. Laughing at spending so much on a car that can't go round corners. Laughing at whacking a huge wing on a car and thinking it makes him look like a racer.

I never said he had NOS, I said nitrous system.

So just because a car is spraying and has had a 351 swap you automatically know it can't corner? Tell me, when you take a turn, do you try to make your turn resemble as straight of a line as you can? Yes, if your racing correctly you do.

Your telling me that the Mustangs spoilers are "huge" They don't even come up three inches off the back... Get a grip man

 

[CRX]

Since I haven't played GT4 yet, I was wondering : are the races more interesting and challenging this time ?

I got bored of the races in both GT2 and GT3 and ended up just time-trailing for hours and hours, with all the different cars, on all the different tracks, comparing my times... (because the driving itself is really great).

Races challenged my patience more than my skill. The AI was crap, the best way to overtake was to shove off the other cars (which would be great if it involved a certain amount a risk), most races were quite long with just 5 other cars following each other stupidly, etc.

So, will the licence tests still be the only part of the game really challenging me this time around ? Or is GT4's structure more challenging ? (like CMR04 or even F1 2004 for example : each championship is a real challenge the player must overcome,whereas anybody can complete GT if he's willing to spend hours in fastidious championships, where the player choses the difficulty level by chosing his car, with hardlyany restrictions whatsoever).


ps : I'm not saying GT3 is too easy, it's not challenging enough. Of course, you can challenge yourself by taking 300bhp cars in the final championships, but it's you challenging yourself and not the game challenging you, which makes a big difference. (Completing an old-school shoot-em-up doesn't feel the same way if there are infinite continues available, even if you don't use any).

 

[Bilgewater]

As for the oil light, it will never come on in the F1. Power will also remain a steady 904 ps despite never changing the oil.

 

[KSaiyu]

Since I haven't played GT4 yet, I was wondering : are the races more interesting and challenging this time ?

I got bored of the races in both GT2 and GT3 and ended up just time-trailing for hours and hours, with all the different cars, on all the different tracks, comparing my times... (because the driving itself is really great).

Races challenged my patience more than my skill. The AI was crap, the best way to overtake was to shove off the other cars (which would be great if it involved a certain amount a risk), most races were quite long with just 5 other cars following each other stupidly, etc.

So, will the licence tests still be the only part of the game really challenging me this time around ? Or is GT4's structure more challenging ? (like CMR04 or even F1 2004 for example : each championship is a real challenge the player must overcome,whereas anybody can complete GT if he's willing to spend hours in fastidious championships, where the player choses the difficulty level by chosing his car, with hardlyany restrictions whatsoever).


ps : I'm not saying GT3 is too easy, it's not challenging enough. Of course, you can challenge yourself by taking 300bhp cars in the final championships, but it's you challenging yourself and not the game challenging you, which makes a big difference. (Completing an old-school shoot-em-up doesn't feel the same way if there are infinite continues available, even if you don't use any).

Exactly what I'm thinking - GT4 races are still boring time trials, and the only real challenges are bettering your times in licenses/missions. I really expected more from GT4....

 

[meister_dan]

As for the oil light, it will never come on in the F1. Power will also remain a steady 904 ps despite never changing the oil.

Does that translate into lesser chances of the HP (or ps for that matter) to drop permanently? I remember in GT3 that you lose HP that's unrecoverable in the long run..