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plate88
^^^^That is a pretty badass looking car.:dopey: The blue deuce is going to look superb with that body:tup:
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I would like Penske to make it black and gold like Rusty's 90's car.

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MustangRyan
It's not that he doesn't want to, it's that his current contract at Roush-Fenway doesn't allow it. His hands are tied.
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He also isn't one to talk about his contacts anyway until he firmly can say. He keeps it private.


Now as far as Sam getting the 22, I don't see why he wouldn't or shouldn't. He is a team player and paid his dues there to learn. Joey seems to think he has a card to play with other teams or against JGR when he should be thankful for them still trying to work to keep him after I think he almost lost them HD sponsorship if you ask me.


Over the last few days I've been watching some random NASCAR videos on YouTube and it got me thinking after someone made a comment. Truck races seem to be most exciting because they don't have tons of practice time, or pit stops to get adjustments made with such short races. I know people won't agree with me but maybe NASCAR needs to split up a few races a year to double races like some series do. If it's like the whatever 500, make it two 250 races and after 1st race draw to invert the field. You can easily add a little break in between with a halftime show for fans while teams can either A. pull out backup if wrecked but have to start in rear period or B. repair damage or work on adjustments C. Anything like swapping engines or whatever major like that go to the back too.
 
Wilbur
He also isn't one to talk about his contacts anyway until he firmly can say. He keeps it private.


Now as far as Sam getting the 22, I don't see why he wouldn't or shouldn't. He is a team player and paid his dues there to learn. Joey seems to think he has a card to play with other teams or against JGR when he should be thankful for them still trying to work to keep him after I think he almost lost them HD sponsorship if you ask me.


Over the last few days I've been watching some random NASCAR videos on YouTube and it got me thinking after someone made a comment. Truck races seem to be most exciting because they don't have tons of practice time, or pit stops to get adjustments made with such short races. I know people won't agree with me but maybe NASCAR needs to split up a few races a year to double races like some series do. If it's like the whatever 500, make it two 250 races and after 1st race draw to invert the field. You can easily add a little break in between with a halftime show for fans while teams can either A. pull out backup if wrecked but have to start in rear period or B. repair damage or work on adjustments C. Anything like swapping engines or whatever major like that go to the back too.
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I dont like the idea of double races. I think NASCAR should try everything at it's disposal before moving to the gimmick of reversing the field etc.

Just shorten the races across the board. Only the Daytona 500, Coke 600, and Southern 500 should be 500+ mile races. Everything else needs to fit in a nice 3 hour window not counting pre-race.

For example

1:05 start your engines
1:15 Green Flag
- 2 hours 30 minutes of racing
3:45 Checkered flag
- 15 minutes interviews
4:00 coverage finishes

Looking at the race statistics this year the races are averaging 2 hours and 50 minutes to around 3 hours and 15 minutes in length.

I would like to see that taken down to 2 hours and 30 minutes. One way to do this would be to make races on 1 mile tracks 250 miles in length. Races on 1.5 mile tracks 300 miles in length, 2 mile tracks 350 miles in length. 2.5 mile ovals 400 miles in length. The Coke Zero 400 at Daytona finished in 2 hours and 30 minutes, which is an ideal race time for the modern fan, IMO
 
I think many of you have already mentioned this at length, but I think shortening the schedule would be great as well. Does Nascar in this day & age even really need as many as 36 races a year? Seriously? Honestly, I can't even think of another series (televised anyway) that has anywhere near as many races in a season.
 
RACECAR
I think many of you have already mentioned this at length, but I think shortening the schedule would be great as well. Does Nascar in this day & age even really need as many as 36 races a year? Seriously? Honestly, I can't even think of another series (televised anyway) that has anywhere near as many races in a season.
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I agree, it would be great.

Which races would you get rid of, though?

Off the top of my head I think Dover and Pocono should both lose 1 slot on the schedule.
 
RACECAR
I think many of you have already mentioned this at length, but I think shortening the schedule would be great as well. Does Nascar in this day & age even really need as many as 36 races a year? Seriously? Honestly, I can't even think of another series (televised anyway) that has anywhere near as many races in a season.
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No way should they shorten it. If they have the sponsors and the means to race as often as possible, they should do it. I bet you that more series' around the world would race every weekend if they had the money and the means.

I think that they need to add two more road courses to the schedule, though. The last three times the Sprint Cup series has been "on the road" have produced some very exciting finishes and I believe it's time they got back to their roots and did some more road racing.
 
Talladega, and a shortened 2nd race at Daytona.

400 Miles at Daytona was 375 miles of high-speed pace laps with a crap shoot at the end.
 
Snaeper
No way should they shorten it. If they have the sponsors and the means to race as often as possible, they should do it. I bet you that more series' around the world would race every weekend if they had the money and the means.
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Thing is even when there hasn't been a world Economic decline, many series have never even had that many races in one season. Also, why not? The schedule has been shorter before and it worked just fine and it works well for many other series so I failed to see how it would not work here.
 
I wouldn't like the schedule to be shortened.

About removing/replacing races, I would want Rockingham to return to the Cup and have two races. The first I would replace with Rockingham would be the first race at Phoenix, giving it back the spot it had before it got removed from the schedule, and the second would replace the chase race at Kansas. I would also like Darlington to have a second race that replaces the chase race at Texas.
 
Stormtrooper217
I wouldn't like the schedule to be shortened.

About removing/replacing races, I would want Rockingham to return to the Cup and have two races. The first I would replace with Rockingham would be the first race at Phoenix, giving it back the spot it had before it got removed from the schedule, and the second would replace the chase race at Kansas. I would also like Darlington to have a second race that replaces the chase race at Texas.
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Rockingham realistically cannot hold races at Cup level anymore due to their limited seating capacity.
 
If we're going to start removing races, let's start with the duplicate races at the very similar 1.5-mile Charlotte/Texas/Atlanta/Kentucky/Vegas/Chicago/Kansas tracks. Now, we can start adding back tracks that are different, like Rockingham, Darlington, and other road courses.
 
A NASCAR schedule I would like to see, with the length of race in miles. 30 races also means dropping the chase

  1. 500 Daytona
  2. 250 Phoenix
  3. 300 Las Vegas
  4. 250 Bristol
  5. 300 Fontana
  6. 200 Martinsville
  7. 200 Road America
  8. 300 Texas
  9. 300 Kansas
  10. 225 Richmond
  11. 400 Talladega
  12. 500 Darlington
  13. 600 Charlotte
  14. 300 Dover
  15. 350 Pocono
  16. 350 Michigan
  17. 200 Sonoma
  18. 300 Kentucky
  19. 400 Daytona
  20. 250 Loudon
  21. 400 Indianapolis
  22. 200 Watkins Glen
  23. 300 Atlanta
  24. 300 Texas
  25. 250 Bristol
  26. 300 Chicago
  27. 400 Talladega
  28. 300 Charlotte
  29. 250 Phoenix
  30. 300 Homestead
 
Removing races from the schedule won't happen unless tracks are somehow unable to host races.

Shortening race length would by a disaster and cause fan attendance to drop like a rock.
 
If you shorten the races, then the fans will think they are at Nationwide races and leave begrudgingly.
 
Adamgp
Removing races from the schedule won't happen unless tracks are somehow unable to host races.

Shortening race length would by a disaster and cause fan attendance to drop like a rock.
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Atlanta has lost a race, so has Fontana. With the attendance being the way it is at Dover and other places I can see them losing races. Getting down to 30 races from 36 can happen.

As for shortening the races, yes, some fans my not like it because they dont get to see that much racing. But my model only reduces the race length from around 3 hours to 2 hours and 30 minutes. The races are still longer then the Nationwide series.

What about the positives of shorter races? If the race isn't that great it will be over faster. Drivers will be more prone to fight for positions on the track instead of giving so much and waiting for the last 50 miles. Drivers will have to take bigger swings on car setup during pit stops instead of making minute adjustments. That should help spice things up.

Shorter/fewer races also means less fuel and tire usage, which means more savings for the teams. Also less wear and tear on the engines which means the engines can go further before needing to be rebuilt.

With shorter races every lap, every pass, every pitstop, every mistake will count more.
 
Earth
Atlanta has lost a race, so has Fontana. With the attendance being the way it is at Dover and other places I can see them losing races. Getting down to 30 races from 36 can happen.

As for shortening the races, yes, some fans my not like it because they dont get to see that much racing. But my model only reduces the race length from around 3 hours to 2 hours and 30 minutes. The races are still longer then the Nationwide series.

What about the positives of shorter races? If the race isn't that great it will be over faster. Drivers will be more prone to fight for positions on the track instead of giving so much and waiting for the last 50 miles. Drivers will have to take bigger swings on car setup during pit stops instead of making minute adjustments. That should help spice things up.

Shorter/fewer races also means less fuel and tire usage, which means more savings for the teams. Also less wear and tear on the engines which means the engines can go further before needing to be rebuilt.

With shorter races every lap, every pass, every pitstop, every mistake will count more.
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Let's look at a race that's alrady been shortened, Pocono. Did the track lower ticket prices? no. So fans pay the same ticket price and see less racing.

On tv they interviewed a bunch of ticked off Pocono ticket holders who didn't renew for that reason, they payed to see 500 miles of racing and only got 400.

Currently I go to 2 races a year, Daytona 500 and the 400 in Chicagoland. Pay alot of money for the tickets, plane travel, car rental, etc. (Daytona) and gas money (Chicago) and if those races got shortened while the ticket price stayed the same, I would be ticked off as well. Most likely will not renew.

Your model has one fault. Nascar race lengths are not set by time, they are by distance.
 
Earth
Atlanta has lost a race, so has Fontana. With the attendance being the way it is at Dover and other places I can see them losing races. Getting down to 30 races from 36 can happen.

As for shortening the races, yes, some fans my not like it because they dont get to see that much racing. But my model only reduces the race length from around 3 hours to 2 hours and 30 minutes. The races are still longer then the Nationwide series.

What about the positives of shorter races? If the race isn't that great it will be over faster. Drivers will be more prone to fight for positions on the track instead of giving so much and waiting for the last 50 miles. Drivers will have to take bigger swings on car setup during pit stops instead of making minute adjustments. That should help spice things up.

Shorter/fewer races also means less fuel and tire usage, which means more savings for the teams. Also less wear and tear on the engines which means the engines can go further before needing to be rebuilt.

With shorter races every lap, every pass, every pitstop, every mistake will count more.
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The engines are torn apart and rebuilt following every race. The engine shops have a ton of engines, because they need probably 3 per car ready for each weekend. The ones that are being rebuilt from this past weekend probably won't go back into a car for more than a month, as plenty of other engines were already built and ready for the next weekend's race.
 
Adamgp
Removing races from the schedule won't happen unless tracks are somehow unable to host races.

Shortening race length would by a disaster and cause fan attendance to drop like a rock.
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Without removing races or shortning distances, hasn't that already happened? Hell look at Indy, They tried to make this massive triple header weekend and from the videos I've seen on youtube of the Cup race, still had hugely empty seats.
 
RACECAR
Without removing races or shortning distances, hasn't that already happened? Hell look at Indy, They tried to make this massive triple header weekend and from the videos I've seen on youtube of the Cup race, still had hugely empty seats.
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It's down now because the economy is in the toilet.

Shorten the races so the few who still have the means to attend pay the same price to see a shortened race, and it will attendance will fall faster.
 
Because they're too good to race on the weekend, it's NASCAR Trucks tonight at Bristol. Wednesday Night NASCAR! They should put on a great show as per usual. Good luck to all the drivers and teams tonight. Be safe and drive hard.
 
JohnBM01
Because they're too good to race on the weekend, it's NASCAR Trucks tonight at Bristol. Wednesday Night NASCAR! They should put on a great show as per usual. Good luck to all the drivers and teams tonight. Be safe and drive hard.
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And the Whelen Modifieds. 👍

EDIT: I just looked at the Cup standings. I can entirely see Tony Stewart intentionally finishing terribly just to mess up the whole fight for the Wild Card positions.
 
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Yes the economy does have an impact on attendance but everyone here can agree the races are boring! Would you pay a lot of money to see a boring race? Me either. They want ridiculously high prices and the races have been boring lately. . They need to come up with something to make the cars harder to drive and get rid of those stupid cookie cuter tracks just my 2 cents.
 
Anyone watching the Modified race? Wild crash just took out over half of the field.
 
The NASCAR Whelen Modified Tour is live at Bristol on SPEED.

A 13 car wreck on lap 4! Cars EVERYWHERE! Half the field has appeared to have wrecked.
 
Cowboys965
The NASCAR Whelen Modified Tour is live at Bristol on SPEED.

A 13 car wreck on lap 4! Cars EVERYWHERE! Half the field has appeared to have wrecked.
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Red flag is out. Hoping that everyone is alright.

EDIT: Clear to go back racing. Several cars in the pits.
 
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