Need a car now...budget decreased to $7k

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So, this isn't your typical "my car sucks i want a faster car!/weekend track star/high performance whatever" thread. I'm just looking for a more fuel efficient yet still decently fun to drive vehicle to replace my 300M Special. It's starting to get some electrical problems, and I'm sick of its really bad gas mileage and completely shot suspension. It would cost more to repair/replace everything than the car is worth. I want a newer car with fewer problems and better gas mileage. I'm not looking to spend more than about $10,000. So far, the only cars I've looked into are an 06+ Hyundai Sonata (slightly out of my price range, but i could probably talk them down a little) and an 03+ Honda Accord. The only things I require in the new car is better than 14 city 19 highway MPG (looking to get at least 20+ in city and high 20s/low 30s highway) and newer than 2002. I'd prefer an automatic but if I find a car I like that's only a manual transmission, ill learn. Drive wheels do not matter, number of doors does not matter, though I prefer sedans, and I would like a leather interior but that is not a deal breaker. So...any suggestons?
 
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2003+ Mazda6. Should easily be able to find an earlier example 4cyl with fairly low mileage that suits your specs well within your price range, and they're most definitely fun to drive. Not incredibly fast in a straight line though.

Also if you must get an automatic 6, go for an '06+ 4cyl or '05+ V6. I can't vouch for the difference in the V6s, but the later 4cyl gets a few MPG better than '05 and earlier due to less "struggle" off the line (shorter 1st gear = less effort to get the car moving) and lower cruising RPM. Manual trans 6s all have 5-speed manuals, earlier 4cyls have 4-speed autos, late have 5-speed, early V6s have 5-speed autos and late have 6.
 
The Accord's a good choice, in fact it might be the best choice, as far as reliability and fuel economy goes, much the same with a Camry. But they're pretty boring to drive...

How about an Altima or Maxima, or a 99-02 TL, maybe even a newer 03-04? They're starting to creep in your price range.
 
2003+ Mazda6.
The last gen Mazda 6 ('03+) and Mazda 3 ('04+) have proven to be reliable, and both cars are fun to drive. A 4-speed autobox 6 may be a bit sluggish...that engine needs revs. But, they should be in your price range, and should hold up well for several more years at least.
 
Huh, I just happen to have a list laying around "For When YSSMAN Gets a 'Real Job' and 'Has Money' to Buy a 'Nice Car'" list...

  • 2001-2003 Subaru WRX
  • 2001-2005 Honda Civic Si
  • 1999-2004 Ford Mustang GT
  • 1996-1999 BMW E36 328i --> M3
  • 1998-2005 Mazda MX-5
  • 2003-2005 Volkswagen Jetta GLI
  • 2004 Pontiac GTO (5.7L)
  • 2005-2006 Nissan Altima SE-R
  • 2002-2003 Nissan 350Z
  • 1999-2006 Toyota Celica GT-S

Of course, there seems to be a bit of a year discrepancy between what you want and what I've got here. Just some quick thoughts...

- The Jetta
* Pro: Fuel mileage is pretty decent when driven nicely, turns out the later ones are actually quite reliable, and I think you'd find a pretty adequate balance between comfort and "fun to drive" for your daily commute. Plus, you can get Tiptronic, and it isn't a bad setup in the car.
* Con: When things break, it will be expensive. Don't look for cheap insurance rates either.
* Overall: The best car you'll ever hate, will cause you to drive Volkswagens for the rest of your life. Your wallet will leave you.

- The Altima
* Pro: The SE-R is a pretty bad-ass car, but you can get away with more than enough hoonery in just a 3.5 SE. Hell, even the 2.5 S is fun! The Altima is huge, fun to drive, and surprisingly not as terrible as I thought on fuel economy. Nissan packaged a lot of goodies into the later cars, I'd give it a look.
* Con: Interior bits and pieces were better with the later cars, but not quite as nice as the Accord of the era. The 3.5L VQ is still a bit thirsty, the 2.5 a little thrashy. Automatics were replaced by CVTs later in life as well.
* Overall: The Altima is a compelling choice if you want your car to keep your attention, I'd give it the upvote over the Accord.
 
Sorry for not posting for a while. I recently moved into my own apartment and just got internet today.

Anyone (Brad?) care to shed a little more light on a Jetta GLI? There's a dealer here that's got an '05 for $13,995 and I'm thinking I could probably talk them down to around $11k. It's looking pretty tempting...
 
All of these cars are over your price limit, but can probably be negotiated down:


2006 Acura RSX Type S- $13,988: http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=47181788&listingRecNum=36&criteria=prMx%3D14000%26sf1Dir%3DDESC%26prMn%3D0%26mlgMx%3D70000%26stkTyp%3DU%26rd%3D30%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-pseudoPrice-pseudoMileage%26zc%3D35801%26rn%3D0%26PMmt%3D0-0-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26rpp%3D50%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=thestate

2007 Ford Fusion S- $13,644: http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=49047407&listingRecNum=65&criteria=prMx%3D14000%26sf1Dir%3DDESC%26prMn%3D0%26mlgMx%3D70000%26stkTyp%3DU%26rd%3D30%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-pseudoPrice-pseudoMileage%26zc%3D35801%26rn%3D50%26PMmt%3D0-0-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26rpp%3D50%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=thestate

2006 Mazda 6s- $12,990: http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=45480191&listingRecNum=111&criteria=prMx%3D14000%26sf1Dir%3DDESC%26prMn%3D0%26mlgMx%3D70000%26stkTyp%3DU%26rd%3D30%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-pseudoPrice-pseudoMileage%26zc%3D35801%26rn%3D100%26PMmt%3D0-0-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26rpp%3D50%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=thestate

2007 Honda Accord EX- $12,800: http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=42618473&listingRecNum=147&criteria=prMx%3D14000%26sf1Dir%3DDESC%26prMn%3D0%26mlgMx%3D70000%26stkTyp%3DU%26rd%3D30%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-pseudoPrice-pseudoMileage%26zc%3D35801%26rn%3D100%26PMmt%3D0-0-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26rpp%3D50%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=thestate

2007 Toyota Corolla S- $11,925: http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=48945717&listingRecNum=200&criteria=prMx%3D14000%26sf1Dir%3DDESC%26prMn%3D0%26mlgMx%3D70000%26stkTyp%3DU%26rd%3D30%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-pseudoPrice-pseudoMileage%26zc%3D35801%26rn%3D200%26PMmt%3D0-0-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26rpp%3D50%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=thestate

2007 Ford Focus ZX4 SE- $11,599: http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=48311261&listingRecNum=209&criteria=prMx%3D14000%26sf1Dir%3DDESC%26prMn%3D0%26mlgMx%3D70000%26stkTyp%3DU%26rd%3D30%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-pseudoPrice-pseudoMileage%26zc%3D35801%26rn%3D200%26PMmt%3D0-0-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26rpp%3D50%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=thestate

2006 Nissan Sentra S- $11,599: http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=48948111&listingRecNum=212&criteria=prMx%3D14000%26sf1Dir%3DDESC%26prMn%3D0%26mlgMx%3D70000%26stkTyp%3DU%26rd%3D30%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-pseudoPrice-pseudoMileage%26zc%3D35801%26rn%3D200%26PMmt%3D0-0-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26rpp%3D50%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=thestate
 
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Huh, I just happen to have a list laying around "For When YSSMAN Gets a 'Real Job' and 'Has Money' to Buy a 'Nice Car'" list...

  • 2001-2005 Honda Civic Si
Brad, considering what you currently drive that wouldn't be an improvement.

But why would you want to?



Though the RSX is a really nice idea.
 
Nineteen highway? Damn son, how fast do you drive!?

So the 300M isn't cool enough to warrant replacing the dampers, eh? That sucks. I get attached to my cars and tend to fix them when they go bad. Besides, a grand and a half to replace some switches and dampers is a lot cheaper than ten grand on a whole car, and then you've got new dampers and new switches to last double the miles.

Think of it this way: set your fix-stuff-budget at $10,000. Use it. At that point, all the wear items on your car are brand new and ready for double the mileage, while that money spent on a used car gets you just that, a used car with half it's first life already spent.

I don't advocate getting a new car unless you've got growing paint and/or rust problems, or imminent drivetrain catastrophe. Good bodywork and legit paint jobs are hella expensive and unless you're a bear in the garage replacing engines and transmissions is a huge chunk out of your pocket.
 
- The Altima
* Pro: The SE-R is a pretty bad-ass car, but you can get away with more than enough hoonery in just a 3.5 SE. Hell, even the 2.5 S is fun! The Altima is huge, fun to drive, and surprisingly not as terrible as I thought on fuel economy. Nissan packaged a lot of goodies into the later cars, I'd give it a look.
* Con: Interior bits and pieces were better with the later cars, but not quite as nice as the Accord of the era. The 3.5L VQ is still a bit thirsty, the 2.5 a little thrashy. Automatics were replaced by CVTs later in life as well.
* Overall: The Altima is a compelling choice if you want your car to keep your attention, I'd give it the upvote over the Accord.
This wouldn't be bad except CD is more than likely going to be hard pressed to find one around $10K that isn't far from pushing 130K miles. A regular Altima could probably handle that, but a 6 year old SE-R with that many miles in that time is more than likely bound with issues.

Fred mentioned a '04 TL. That's possible with $10K, but if you can spare another $2-3K, it'll make a nicer difference & get you a better car. Any $10K TLs will probably not be far from the 100K service it needs for the belt & that's around $1,000 if I remember correctly.
 
Nineteen highway? Damn son, how fast do you drive!?

More than half of all my driving is in the city. I only go out on the highway when I drive to work (about half the commute) or feel like going to Huntsville. I don't know exactly what I get on the highway, but my mixed average never goes over 20mpg. Speed limit is 65-70 on the highway, I do 70-75. Also, 4 speed auto box FTL. You really gotta give it the beans to get going.

So the 300M isn't cool enough to warrant replacing the dampers, eh? That sucks. I get attached to my cars and tend to fix them when they go bad. Besides, a grand and a half to replace some switches and dampers is a lot cheaper than ten grand on a whole car, and then you've got new dampers and new switches to last double the miles.

Think of it this way: set your fix-stuff-budget at $10,000. Use it. At that point, all the wear items on your car are brand new and ready for double the mileage, while that money spent on a used car gets you just that, a used car with half it's first life already spent.

To me, a car is only for getting me places, and if I can have a little fun getting there, then that would be nice. I have no emotional attachment to them. I'm not about to set a $10k budget for repairs on a nearly 9 year old car. It would cost more to replace/repair everything than the car is actually worth. You can't tell me that's a financially smart decision?
 
Anyone (Brad?) care to shed a little more light on a Jetta GLI? There's a dealer here that's got an '05 for $13,995 and I'm thinking I could probably talk them down to around $11k. It's looking pretty tempting...

It being the last year for the MKIV GLI, most off the wiggles should be worked out of the car by then. The price sounds about right, assuming it has pretty low mileage. Other than that, you just have to worry about the typical VW problem areas... Occasionally buggy electronics, switchgear that will randomly break on you (only if you mistreat it) and outrageously expensive replacement parts.

I'm personally more a fan of the 1.8T GLI than the VR6 GLI of the same era, but they're essentially the same cars that offer essentially the same performance. Its a car I still want to own, despite my love/hate relationship with Volkswagen. At the very least, I'd give it a drive.
 
it seems like you already have a lot of choices, but might i suggest the corolla XRS! fuel efficient and power when you need it.. (well its not THAT powerful) at least it looks nice and simple..
(9thgencorolla.com)
 
Sounds good. I'm pretty sure its a 1.8t GLI. I need to go back up there soon and take a better look at it...
On thing to keep in mind is that the 1.8T has some occasional drivetrain reliability problems that the VR6 models generally lack. Not frequent ones, but more frequent than the VR6 and usually quite expensive.

it seems like you already have a lot of choices, but might i suggest the corolla XRS! fuel efficient and power when you need it.. (well its not THAT powerful) at least it looks nice and simple..
(9thgencorolla.com)
I assume CDailey still has a soul. He even explicitly mentioned "decently fun to drive" in the OP.
 
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I'd shy away from any VW/Audi product with the 1.8L engine. There's a pretty darn good reason why those cars depreciate like old milk. The VR6 motor is a workhorse and cars with that motor get much better mileage than the EPA advertises. My Passat averages 27mpg combined and I live in a huge city with congested expressways. I've never gotten less than 450mi per tank of gas. One of the best cars I've ever owned...no BS.

The one car I haven't seen in this thread is the 3-series. The 330ci has a small premium since it's a coupe, but they can be had for under $12k with very reasonable miles. It's a car that's DIY friendly...except for a few bespoke tools. As far as driving it, it's a hoot. Don't let the low HP numbers fool you, it's a quick car and handles...well...like a BMW 3-series. It's been the industry standard decades. I'd be shocked if you didn't get 200k miles out of it with only basic maintenance.

Mazda's are very reliable, quite durable too. They hold their value reasonably well and you'll see why when/if you drive one. The Maza3 w/the 2.3L is a blast, even w/a auto trans. Feels like a go-kart compared to larger sedans. It has a great feel to the steering, good brake feel, and is a real nimble car. It's a little noisy at speed, not quite as refined as some others, but it's a great drive & is super practical. Another fun one would be the Protege5 (wagon). Not sure you need the cargo space, but that's a great car. Slow, but still a good car. The Mazda6 has the refinement that the 3 lacks a bit of, but isn't as 'flickable' or fun. Nor is it really bigger...just heavier. [get the 3]

I'd stay away from GM products (incl SAAB, but for other reasons). Mechanically, they're very sound...but the Delco electronics are notoriously crappy and the interiors are not nice places to be. Poor seats, everything rattles, and not very durable. You may find a good one or you may find a turd, buy from a private seller. Oh, don't expect a great drive either. The transmissions in these things are either the textbook definition of 'slush box' or they give you whiplash between the 1-2 shift. You can test 2 identical models and the trans will shift different. You can thank the Delco electronics.

Chrysler was owned/operated by a financial firm that wanted to make money by financing cars. That should tell you enough. If the salesman shows you a Dodge/Chrysler product with the 2.7 engine and follows up with "great car" or says anything positive about the engine - punch him/her in the groin. Even if I have to lose a sale, I won't take a trade in with that engine.

Ford stuff is usually quite good. The FWD cars from the early 2000's have few issues and the Focus and Taurus would be the most reliable. The interiors suck and most FWD Fords you'll find cheap will be ex-fleet vehicles, so beware. The Taurus gets crappy mileage too.

A $10,000 Mercedes does not exist. They're steaming piles of maintenance costs, flashing idiot lights, and **** that will break the second you leave the repair shop. These cars will haunt you in your dreams. You want to love it, yet it will make you miserable and drain your bank account. Run from them.

Honda/Toyota; not much can really be said about these cars that isn't obvious. Reliable [except auto transmissions in V6's, they can have issues], hold their value, but by God are they boring. Toyotas drive like you're on top of a beach-ball and Honda's have, I can't really explain it other than a 'cheap feel' to them. Test drive a Mazda3 and then hop in a Civic - you'll see what I'm on about. The Corolla is a mystery to me. There's no room in the front, there's less room in the back, it turns like an ice cream truck, the door handles ALWAYS break, the dash is cheap, and it's butt-ugly...however Toyota sells every single one they make no matter how many of them are beige. People LOVE this car...as much as I try to understand it, I can't.

They're 'good' cars on paper, they just don't have any personality or really 'great' traits that make you say "I have to buy this car." You might like the Toyota or Honda, but you won't love it. A 3-series, a VW w/the VR6, or a Mazda; those are cars you'll find something about them you'll adore when you drive. But a base model Honda? A beige Corolla? You'll forget you even owned that car a year after you trade it in for something else.

I haven't mentioned Nissans, my only experience with those cars would be V6 models (Altima/Maxima/Murano). I prefer the funkiness with Mazdas, even the 4cyl models. Nissans sure do move, the V6 is a great engine and they're overall pleasant cars to own but would not be my 1st or second pick. You might think differently, check em out. The 2.5L in the Altima? Blah...

Subarus are a PITA. Ugly, noisy, horrifying interiors, and not very fuel efficient...but for some reason; Dave Matthews Band fans, history professors, lesbians, and boys who wear their hats on backwards flock to them. I don't get it. AWD isn't 1/2 of what it is cracked up to be and those cars do not drive well enough to justify the price. And despite all the PR, they're nowhere near as reliable as you'd think. A Subaru with 130k miles is starting to get tired while most cars still have their pep well past that number.

Mitsubishi = junk. I wouldn't be shocked to see them & Suzuki completely pull out of the US market. Their sedans are 2 rungs below the competition in style, durability, reliability, performance...you name it. Even their badge engineered cars are sub-par. The Evo is cool, but you'd be awfully brave to buy one of those 2nd hand. Everything else is pretty much garbage.

Here's another insight; the time to buy is right now.

September is a slow month for auto sales for everyone (both coasts, midwest, south, everyone) and dealers are itching to get rid of older inventory. They either send it off to auction or whore it out to make room for new models.

The only thing going bad for you is your location. Used car values have been rising lately b/c of Cash for Clunkers. The biggest increases would be trucks/SUVs, but small cars have increased a little too. But in your neck of the woods, exporters are bidding up a lot of cars...sometimes over book value. Even mundane stuff can get expensive for dealers b/c of exporters bidding them up.

This basically means dealers have a smaller selection of profitable cars to bid on and these costs are passed to the consumer. The best deals you'll find would be old inventory or trade-ins. Popular cars that sell quickly? Dealers buy those at auction and they're priced accordingly...so don't expect any great deals.

Be smart, don't shop with your eyes, and be prepared/educated when you go to a dealer. Despite all the shopping, porn, and malware; there's still a lot of information on the 'net. Know what to look for and what to spend before you make your 1st appointment to speak to a salesman. And CALL, don't just show up. People who call and do not low-ball over the phone are treated better than everyone else. Seriously, dealers get stroked all the time by clowns trying to kill some time on a Saturday. Don't be that guy. Be upfront with what you want and what you can spend, but don't be a pushover.

It's probably best to get financing BEFORE you start shopping and do not fill out any financing paperwork despite what anyone says.

I hope this helps you out a bit. I'm a small-time dealer, one-man-band really, and I still have a lot to learn about the industry. What I wrote above is no BS and I'm really picky about what cars I buy. At the end of the day, it's your money and you'll be stuck for the next year or so with your decision - so make it a good one. The specs on a car, the safety stars, MPGs, and all of that don't mean squat - it all comes down to the driving experience. When you're stuck in traffic, MPGs do not make the cars in front of you part nor does the safety rating make the seat you're in more comfortable. Go with your gut, not the feature list taped to the window.

Good luck!

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I forgot to mention Korean cars. For $10k, you don't want one. You'll either be in the market for a very low mileage entry-level or a higher mileage premium sedan. The entry-level korean car will be a POS. The mid/high end Korean car will be a POS. And when you're driving around in a rental b/c your Kia or Hyundai is being repaired, you'll see someone driving a slightly older 3-series which looks nicer, drives nicer, isn't breaking weekly, and think to yourself "I should have bought that car instead...boy was I stupid."

New Kias & Hyundais 'supposedly' are better cars. But it's hard to see how they could get any worse. Don't let the huge warranty, the MPGs, or any other ratings/review fool you - these cars suck ('08 and older) and any used Korean car will have a mile-long warranty claim history. The owners are generally clueless while mechanics & dealers have nothing but horror stories with these things.
 
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New Kias & Hyundais 'supposedly' are better cars. But it's hard to see how they could get any worse. Don't let the huge warranty, the MPGs, or any other ratings/review fool you - these cars suck ('08 and older) and any used Korean car will have a mile-long warranty claim history. The owners are generally clueless while mechanics & dealers have nothing but horror stories with these things.

Usually, the 100,000-mile warranty is for the original owner, and it covers only certain "powertrain" components on its 2nd owner. Sure, that covers cylinder head gaskets, but not that persistent check engine light (unless it's a non-rusted catalytic converter or engine computer) that the previous owner declined to fix or the engine mounts and struts that are rubbish after 60,000 miles. In a few years, maybe some of those Genesis coupes will be sought after, although I've seen those Tiburons hold up somewhat.

Kia parts are surprisingly expensive: Most of them are available only from the dealers...and coming from an Audi and Lexus-dealer background, some of those Kia parts are really quite pricey! Suzukis are in the same boat — nearly zero aftermarket support in the US — there's few reasons to own a used one, unless you really have a strong desire to be the only one on your block with one.

It's understandable if you're expecting/willing to put some money into a car, why not something more fun and/or interesting...

...however Toyota sells every single one they make no matter how many of them are beige. People LOVE this car...as much as I try to understand it, I can't.
They don't let you down. Older ones have less fluff, but less huff: Funny trade-off.

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Forget black: Nothing pulls off stealth like beige.
 
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Ford Focus SVT (2002-2004) or Ford Focus ST (2005-2007). Way less than $10k and are fun, quick and reliable transportation that won't break the bank on payments or insurance.

SVT:
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ST w/SAP (street appearance package):
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OMG I hate posting at work, nothing works right!!! Can a moderator fix my post for me please? If not I can fix it when I get home if I remember lol.
 
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That's the ST with the Street Appearance Package. Most people prefer it, I don't. Truth be told I'd prefer the SVT over all of the other Focus trim models.
 
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That's the ST with the Street Appearance Package. Most people prefer it, I don't. Truth be told I'd prefer the SVT over all of the other Focus trim models.

2nd/3rd hand FWD SVT cars are really a gamble.

You either find them in those 'shady' Buy-Here-Pay-Here used car dealerships and they carry a HUGE premium or you have to go forum classified surfing. Either way, I would go into that investment knowing that any car I look at will have been beat to hell. The SVT Contour is a great driver, but cheap inside and it isn't very reliable. The hot Focus really isn't hot enough to justify the premium you'll pay for that car.

If you don't mind fixing a few things here & there and want a great driving car; BMW's from the late 80's. Those things are cult cars for a reason.

325is w/no rust and in great mechanical shape can easily be had for under $4,500. Great driver, high 20's in MPG, and simple to maintain. The real gem from that era that doesn't have an "M" badge on it was the 325ix (AWD). Awesome car. The biggest problem w/them would be rust...so look to buy in places where they do not salt the roads during winter.

Mid 90's Lexus & Acuras tend to be quite cheap and fun cars to have. Their interiors are a bit dated, the stereo/speakers will most certainly be shot, but other than those probs - they're good cars for little money. Toyotas have had issues with oil sludging if their owners did not change the oil regularly. 1st time buyers of these cars were usually boring men who know squat about cars or women who think you change the oil when the oil light comes on. That's a problem.

Change the oil w/Valvoline and add a qt of Marvel Mystery Oil - problem solved. [that stuff does wonders...honestly]

The cheaper Honda & Toyota cars of the same era tend to be priced about the same unless they're a bit clapped out.

However, if you want to throw caution to the wind and piss in the face of beige automotive appliances; buy a Jag.

A supercharged black XJR from '99 or so usually retail right over $10k. Ultimate boulevard & highway cruiser if you ask me. The Jags from around that time are pretty good cars in my experience. Little things here & there will go wrong, but most of the big stuff has already been taken care of. And if you have a $700 repair bill a couple months down the line, you won't care b/c you have a black supercharged Jag. Truly one of the most bad-ass cars you can buy.

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You call the Focus a "gamble" but you not only recommend a BMW but also a Jaguar? WOW. Just wow...

I also strongly recommend this car for $10k:
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anyone mention a mazdaspeed protege? could be found for a lot less than $10k and would probably be more fun would get better mileage than the v6 mazda6 (25/30)

at this price level, go for nimbleness over power if you're looking for fun. that's why the miata is so successful. you could get a miata. super reliable, and a blast to drive. and they have automatics if you're really lazy
 
The MSP is pretty much like a WRX; good luck finding one that hasn't been to hell and back.
 
As awsome as the MazdaSpeed Protege is like Fred said good luck even finding one in reasonable shape. It's hard enough to even FIND one let alone one in good shape.
 
I see one every other day at school. Although, he had a loaner for the past week or so. Apparently he was having turbo problems. Ouch.
 
I see one every other day at school. Although, he had a loaner for the past week or so. Apparently he was having turbo problems. Ouch.

Most of them suffer from differential woes as well under "hard" driving. It's a Torsen unit, and it's not cheap to replace. The OEM turbocharger is a puny little thing, so small that it's probably nearing the peak of it's capacity with the 170hp the engine makes.
 
JCE
You call the Focus a "gamble" but you not only recommend a BMW but also a Jaguar? WOW. Just wow...

What do you mean "wow"?

An SVT Focus will be approaching 100k miles and most places you look are asking north of $7,000. For a 'performance' car that didn't offer much 'performance' 10 years ago, never mind today's standards, that's a bit of coin. And every sub 20k MSRP 'performance' car from around Y2k has been beat on and will be going on its 4th or 5th owner.

If someone says they babied it, changed the oil every 3k, or always kept it in a garage - they're lying. If they say the timing belt has been changed, they're lying. These types of cars have not been taken care of very well. There's exceptions, but I wouldn't gamble on trying to find one.

A Jag owner is male, owns a home, and is middle aged. Typically understands cars require maintenance, knows better than to try DIY repairs, and kept mileage to within the terms of the lease or bought an extended warranty if they financed it.

These cars do not move off of lots very quickly, so you can find a deal. Also, the OP wants a cruiser and the Focus SVT isn't what you'd call comfy. Sure, Jags don't get the best MPGs, but if it were me and I came across a XJR that can be in budget with some haggling - I'd give it a good look. Other premium sedans like the BMW 740il, A6 2.7, or a Benz...no way, those things are nightmares...but the XJ [in black] is a gem if you're looking for boulevard cruiser. (drove one for over 6mo - absolutely loved it)

Old BMW's from the 80's are awesome drivers. You can't argue against that. Hell, for $10,000 you can find a prep'd NASA Spec E30 325is w/spares and have enough $$$ left over to buy a Craigslist trailer & an F150 to tow it with. But that's a topic for another day.

In summary; an SVT Focus would not be a comfy commuter car, it's condition will be questionable, and doesn't offer much performance for the money. As a 2nd car, it would be fun...but there's quite a bit out there that would be less or equally expensive but more enjoyable.
 
Thanks for all the posts guys! Keep them coming. Right now, the Altima 3.5 seems to be the current favorite...at least on paper. I'm at least a month away from test driving anything. Please keep the chatter/suggestions going. It's very helpful.
 

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