Have to agree, by the time you've arsed about buying parts, sending them, quitting the game, onto another account, send them back, quit game, back onto proper account you could have grinded Indy 3 times, bought 5 sets of racing soft tyres and have 200k left over. A pretty silly idea to dupe parts when you think about it.
5 RSS is 180,000. 3 Indies is 252,000 (it makes more sense to do max $/min, not max $/race). You're not going to have 200,000 left over. Whats more the grind was 8 minutes around a rather boring track. With the dupe, you get the 5 RSS, a 6th RSS on the car you just duped, said car, and 1 of every other tuning part.
Duping is clearly quicker, easier, and allows you to get more. The time argument is what doesn't make sense.
The idea that you need to "dupe" cars and parts to avoid "grinding" is just rubbish. If you just play A-Spec and win all the Seasonal Events you would have enough money to buy EVERY car in the game in about 6 months and the vast majority of them in a fraction of that time.
And if you dupe, it takes less than 6 months because you don't have to wait a week to refil your cash.
Indulging in tedious "duping" exploits just to fill a garage full cars, most of which you can't possibly have driven, just seems insane. Why not enjoy the cars you do have and get the most out of them whilst playing the game in the way it was designed? You'll soon get every car you want, but in the meantime will actually have some fun.
You're missing the point. Duping is what allows one to have fun in GT5. It gives me more cars and lets me ignore A-Spec for the most part. That last bit alone about ignoring A-Spec is one of the things that makes it truly great.
And duping certainly isn't tedious. I mean it's duping, not grinding Indy or racing the AI.
'Yo dawg, we heard you like to dupe so we put a fake account into your PS3 so you can dupe while you dupe.'
Preciesly. We're duping already, so why not dupe parts?
Would you prefer exploiting?
Exploiting is actually accurate, since duping isn't cheating.
Some people have to work hard to win cars and money to get a good car, other people just use "exploits" that clearly weren't intended by the game developers to short-cut this process. This basically undermines the whole value of hard-to-get cars in the market.
Some people
choose to work hard for cars to boost their "accomplishment". Other people choose to focus on racing. I have no problem with either side.
I play for online, so hard to get car is pointless to me. The X1 would be virtually useless if rare. Duping is what made the car great because now it can be raced online. IMO
Imagine if someone found a way of duping diamonds. What do you think that would do the value and prestige of them as a commodity? What would you think of "dupers" if you'd invested heavily in a large diamond collection through hard work and astute investments?
I'd say "why didn't I think of that!"
The funny thing is, this happens all the time. You're only giving it a negative connotation because you don't like duping.
What if people invested millions in HD-DVD, only to have someone with Bluray come along and make their work pointless? This is simple business.
Personally I do think all the exploits have a negative and corrosive effect on the entire community. Whilst it's not a major concern for me what other people do, it does have an effect outside the little bubble people pretend they exist in.
Aside from having people go around online and demand 500 cars from one car, there is no effect. People act like GT5 market, which was completely made up and never intended by the devs, was built into the game and "ruined". The truth is, it just wasn't popular.
aha.. and then.. with your 900 dupes you NEED to have .. how many of these cars has been driven more then once if even once..
Well, I don't have 900 cars, but the vast majority have been driven multiple times. The only barrier reducing the number of drives so far has been the 100 car limit to favorites list. If I could access my entire garage at anytime, I would have certainly been able to drive everything more than once.
imo this whole duping is plain stupid. Whats the point of having 1000 cars as fast as possible?! its so "lol"
And now.. duping parts. just because you have to save, backup-relogin-send back.. why not just drive and have fun with the cars you can afford and with time you will have the cars you want and need. ah.. wait.. there is a trophy.
No one cares about the trophy, at least I don't. I could sit there with 5,000,000 from seasonals and buy 1000 karts. Easiest way to get the trophy. The only problem is trophies are pointless wastes of time. My other options are grinding and occasionally playing, or duping and playing a lot. As I bought GT to race, it really leaves duping as the best option. Fun is the whole point after all.
its not the way its meant to be so its a cheat.
Then the trading market was a cheat too, I see.
GT5 is the best example of how the gamer community is somehow addicted and its all about finishing and having everything right now. If there is some effort needed it sucks, it's unbalanced. If not everyone can get gold -> it's unfair.
You're entitled to your opinion. I see instead a great example of how people are not interested in poor game design and would like a change. It would be great if PD were to listen and have GT6 come with the option to unlock all cars.
Why not having FUN. Thats what games are made for.
Dont tell me saving, backing up- quit game and so on is fun....
It's not particularly, but it beats playing A-Spec for money by a long shot.
Well, that is kind of the point. If it's not so important, then why the need to indulge in tedious and time-consuming exploits just so you can rush completing the game? Obsessively needing to have every car in the game ASAP is surely a symptom of someone who takes it far too seriously!
Tedius and time consuming? We're not talking about grinding.
The devs intentionally put it there, you're not affecting anyone but yourself, yet, it's even called a cheat.
They can call it whatever they want, doesn't change what it is. Likewise, many of you call duping cheating, but none of you realize that that doesn't make it cheating.
I love how people claim that "its not cheating" just because its possible.
Dupers are the same noobs who once they have all the cars make a thread titled. "I ruined a good game for myself in five minutes flat, what do I do now?"
There are no facts in that quote. So you don't really have a point to make.
Your the ones that can't handle playing by the rules
There are no rules. Save for ones a player makes up to restrict himself, like those who decide to earn money for cars; and the rules of the host online.
Let the game take a couple of years
Why?
like it was supposed to be played for.
No thanks, I found a better way to play it.
saviour the experience. Plus as mentioned alot of these cars are not supposed to be common they are supposed to be earned and exist in low numbers.
I am savoring it, thanks to duping. If it wasn't for duping I would have wasted countless more hours playing A-Spec, in effect ruining the whole point of buying the game.
And like I said before, rare cars are just stupid from an online perspective. Everyone should have every car so that any race can be entered. Duping brings us closer to that thankfully.
I should point out as well it gives dupers an advantage online as well as they don't need to spend anytime earning cash for their cars so they can put that time into tuning them all up instead, whilst the honest racer is left in the past with less cars and less time to tune them.
It was their choice to go focus on offline. No one is forcing them, and there is no harm in taking the alternative. Some people don't play to race online. That's fine, but I don't see why you would expect those people to have an edge online.
Yes its a game, but even games have rules otherwise there is no sense of satisfaction or point.
Well, the rules are basically up to the player in single player, or the host online. They can be anything.
That way, I can get max. enjoyment out of the game and still make money while avoiding as much of the grind as possible. The expensive cars will come when they come - it adds replay value to the game for me, so I don't see any need to trade/dupe cars, parts, etc. in a rush to have everything.
But that's just me!
So true, because none of that at all applies to me or anyone else who dislikes A-Spec.
I agree with everything you say here, this game had the possibility of having a really good marketplace where the really expensive stuff would be really rare, and it would be an achievement to get it.
Like dirving Indy for 13 hours? Where's the skill in that? The only car in the game that really requires skill to get is the X1 carbon. I generally think that people equate skill to achievement. That knocks out about 1000 cars.
Can't argue with rarity though, however I can't say that rarity is good either.
That's the thing I'm not understanding about this whole thing, when there was talk about people hacking trophies and such the general response on this forum was that it would ruin the game by making trophies meaningless. Yet having a 20 million cr car to show off is meaningless now, which is arguably a much bigger achievement than most of the trophies, yet people on here just say, "Oh well let people play the game the way they want."
Hacking a trophy would be cheating. Trophies are a competitive thing, it basically says "you did X". And the rule is that you need to do X to get a trophy. Think of it as being analogous to an online race. Getting the trophy is like crossing the line in first place. Hacking a trophy is like shortcutting Trail Mountain.
Duping on the other hand doesn't bestow the duper with an unfair advantage at all. You can't cheat offline. They still need to pick a competitive car online. They still need to make clean passes and stay on the track, or get kicked. They still need to out drive the other guys to win.
The best argument for getting rid of duping?
Duping very negatively splits the GT5 community. No matter which side you adhere to, the end result is a nasty and unnecessary split. The split doesn't go away until the process goes away.
You sure? Here I am on the duping side. I don't see any split. I have no problems with you. If I see someone who earns cars online, I don't kick them and yell
"Go dupe your cars, then come try racing!"
I welcome them and have a good race. If you see a split, it's of your own creation, and you're the only one who can mend it.
Though yeah, removing duping might be a solution. Just give us all the cars at game start and duping won't exist.
