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PovertyI wish that this would have 400hp and a price tag of $120,000. Then I could buy one.
My dads just said if it was to go on sale as a sort of 911 priced car he'd go and try to put his money down now
PovertyI wish that this would have 400hp and a price tag of $120,000. Then I could buy one.
OnikazeTwo things, first, that car really is gorgeous, what can I say, I dig the retro thing.
Second, the original Testarossa had a 3 liter 12 (I do believe it was a V, not flat) and was Front Engine/RWD.
If they were going to go retro, I'd like to see them take styling cues from the original "Redhead" and not the 80's version.
Oh, neat Rumor I've seen on the Ferrari Dino. 2.4 liter V-8...can you imagine the sounds that would make?
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ToronadoThey need to burn this design and everything that has to do with it. Who wants to bet this turns into another "Audighini" like the Gallardo? If they do put it into production, they should replace the mid-engined Audi S4 that the Gallardo is and instead make this. They shouldn't make this "neo-Miura" anyways, but whatever. The Miura was the flagship, and in order to faithfully remake it, they would have to replace the Murcielago. And that would be a large step backwards. Maybe a side model to the Murcielago, perhaps, with only 2WD and a similar price? As an aside, I wonder how long it will take before Gandini sues Lamborghini for full on ripping off his designs.
Okay, but has it ever been in Lamborghini's interest to make a "super" supercar? Discouting the SW30 Diablo, Lamborghini has always made cars one step down from the full monty, and my question is, could this lead to another early 90's? Lamborghini avoided the destruction of sales then because their cars still sold due to the Diablo's comparitivaly lower price. But what if they tool up to build this, and it just sits there? What will Lamborghini do then?*McLaren*This Miura is expected to BE the flagship.
I meant his designs for the Miura.*McLaren*And what models has Lamborghini down to "rip-off" Gandini, a designer of almost all previous Lamborghinis? This is the 1st model they "ripped-off" him.
ToronadoOkay, but has it ever been in Lamborghini's interest to make a "super" supercar? Discouting the SW30 Diablo, Lamborghini has always made cars one step down from the full monty, and my question is, could this lead to another early 90's? Lamborghini avoided the destruction of sales then because their cars still sold due to the Diablo's comparitivaly lower price. But what if they tool up to build this, and it just sits there? What will Lamborghini do then?
I meant his designs for the Miura.
ToronadoThey need to burn this design and everything that has to do with it. Who wants to bet this turns into another "Audighini" like the Gallardo? If they do put it into production, they should replace the mid-engined Audi S4 that the Gallardo is and instead make this. They shouldn't make this "neo-Miura" anyways, but whatever. The Miura was the flagship, and in order to faithfully remake it, they would have to replace the Murcielago. And that would be a large step backwards. Maybe a side model to the Murcielago, perhaps, with only 2WD and a similar price? As an aside, I wonder how long it will take before Gandini sues Lamborghini for full on ripping off his designs.
That and Ford can't seem to style a new looking car at all anymore.nikyThe GT works because it's commemorative, not derivate, and the GT shape was nearly modern anyway. For that matter, if Nissan re-produced the R390 now, they could give it some minor styling tweaks and it'd still look modern.
Snap son! I forgot all about that. And lest yee peoples forget, the Miura's V12 was puny compared to the Murcielago's, coming in at a "tiny" 4.0L. Unless they make this approx 7 feet wide in the rear, there's no way the Murcialago engine would fit and all hell would break loose if they shove the "Lamborghini" Gallardo 5.0L V10 in the back of it. It would be a crime to put that poser engine in anything that even looks like a Miura.nikyThe Miura's shape isn't. It was designed for a transverse mounted V12, hence the long low cowl and short butt. Look at the concept. Now think, how are they going to fit a 5 liter V10 or V12 behind the driver? The transverse mount was all fine and dandy for the original, but for a modern car?
The Miura's balance was dominated by the awkward packaging. Where does the fuel tank go? Laid out way forward in the original, the fuel tank caused the weight balance to change dramatically as the weight of the fuel changed over the length of the drive.
Alternitavely, they could try to shove the V8 in the rear, but then it would be the Espada, not to mention the Spyker does that better most likely anyways. Let's face it, we all know that Ferrari's always have been and always will be better cars than Lamborghinis, so if they start making all of the Lamborghinis like the Gallardo there will be no reason to buy them.nikyThey could go with the general proportions and make a front-engined Audi-chassis (with that wonderful V8, perhaps tuned to 500hp) car with more modern lines... but don't call it a Miura... please.
ToronadoSnap son! I forgot all about that. And lest yee peoples forget, the Miura's V12 was puny compared to the Murcielago's, coming in at a "tiny" 4.0L. Unless they make this approx 7 feet wide in the rear, there's no way the Murcialago engine would fit and all hell would break loose if they shove the "Lamborghini" Gallardo 5.0L V10 in the back of it. It would be a crime to put that poser engine in anything that even looks like a Miura.
Well, when you mention the 911, DB9 and GS as the competition, guess what....that's what the Gallardo is supposed to competiting against. Now I haven't read up lately on how the Gallardo is doing, but the 911s, DB9s, AMV8s, F430s....these are what the Gallardo is supposed to be taking on.YSSMANI'll first make it clear that I'm more of a Ferrari guy than Lamborghini, and second that I know very little about Lamborghini's history (overall, I know some) when compared to other marques from around the world...
...That said, I think it would be much more cost effective and more sensible to the lineup to place the Muria at the bottom instead of the top. Now now, I know that the Muria was the top dog at the time, but wassent Lamborghni only producing one other car at the time?
To me, it would just seem logical to build a car that can be priced and perform compeditively with the Porsche 911, Maserati Grand Sport, and Aston Martin DB9. Considering that they can use many of the bits and pieces from Audi, I would vote for the detuned Lamborghini V10 from the R8 or the RS4's V8 matted to a 6-speed manual or 6-speed DSG transmission...
To me, it seems more logical. The car even looks as though it would be placed beneath the Gallarado and Murcilago...
ToronadoThat and Ford can't seem to style a new looking car at all anymore.
Well, right now, no one but Lamborghini is sure of how "small" the Murcielago version of the engine is.niky👍 Except ones they're not building, like the Iosis. Even the new Ford Focus has been slammed for being too conservative (despite looking hot in ST trim). S' why I got my "Ford" at a low price. Ultra-conservative styling just pushed it out of the market. I paid about $2000 less than I would have for a similarly equipped Civic. 200 unit limited edition and all, and I still got one without waiting in line.
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The concept design leaves very little room for a mid-engine layout, unless, as Toronado says, they put in a 4 liter or smaller powerplant. If they make it front engined, it'll just seal my belief, as well as convince the Italian sportscar cognesceti, that it's just a cynical marketing ploy.
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*McLaren*Well, when you mention the 911, DB9 and GS as the competition, guess what....that's what the Gallardo is supposed to competiting against. Now I haven't read up lately on how the Gallardo is doing, but the 911s, DB9s, AMV8s, F430s....these are what the Gallardo is supposed to be taking on.
Yeah, but they are still selling every one of the pieces of garbage they can make.YSSMANThe Gallarado, yes, is supposed to compete with the 911 Turbo, DB9 V12, and F430... But its performance (although good) hasent lived up to everything, as even the Corvette Z51 can match it (or beat it) in most situations.
Not with this it wouldn't be. The Miura was the flagship. If they were going to build it, they would realistically have to make it perform as such. And Ferrari already sort of had that area covered, with the Gran Sport, and then they sold Maserati. They don't want that area, because it would dilute the brand heritage.YSSMANI was refering more to the high-lux, but lower end performance cars in and aound the area of the "regular" 911 Carrera, V8 Vantage, Grand Sport, and SL55. Not to deminish their performance figures, but a good $100K sports car would be a great target market for Lamborghini and Ferarri to shoot for.
Experts agree: The best thing ever produced by Automobili Lamborghini in both styling and image -- if not on the road -- was the Miura between May 1966 and December 1972.
For those counting, the Miura’s 40th anniversary was celebrated throughout 2005, by, alas, overly eager party people. A naked Miura chassis debuted at the Turin exhibition in November 1965, but it wasn’t until March 1966 in Geneva that Bertone coachwork mastered by Marcello Gandini dressed it up and changed the world.
When Miura went out of production in 1972 it was just the beginning of perpetual rumors that this evocative design would make a comeback. The question was when.
The answer is now.
The reveal for the new Miura concept was set for Jan. 5 for a small, invited group of hoity-toity at the Museum of Radio and Television in Los Angeles, before its public bow at Detroit’s North American International Auto Show, alongside the Gallardo Spyder.
Why Detroit and not Geneva? There is no better way to tip its hat to Lamborghini’s largest market. “It’s a good way of thanking the U.S. for over 40 percent of our total business,” Stephan Winkelmann, CEO and president of Lamborghini, told AutoWeek on an exclusive visit to its Sant’Agata Bolognese headquarters. “That, and we have something else planned for Geneva.”
Know that the Miura is now just an advanced exterior design study. Lamborghini officials say no decision has been made regarding production. But initial reaction to the Miura project has already been off the scale; how well it is received in Detroit may aid in giving it the green light.
Wildly positive reactions are not new for Walter de’ Silva, chief of design for Volkswagen’s Audi brand group (Audi, SEAT and Lamborghini) and now personally in charge of Lamborghini Centro Stile. Working with Lamborghini’s then design leader Luc Donckerwolke and head of exterior design Filippo Perini, de’ Silva led the creation of the new Miura—called Concept M internally—beginning in October 2003.
“He has had a very clear vision for this design and has phoned me at all hours with ideas,” said Perini of de’ Silva’s involvement.
Uedelhoven Studios in Germany, which built the Audi Le Mans quattro concept, built a full-scale Miura concept from a design finally approved in early November ’05. Yes, that was short order and quick work considering the effort that had to be made.
Tipped to ride on the future Audi R8 chassis—an adaptation of the Gallardo architecture—and be built in Neckarsulm, Germany, alongside the Audi, Miura is longer, wider and lower than the R8 [production name for the Le Mans quattro concept]. It is also longer and wider than the Gallardo, but taller by 1.4 inch.
“Look at the original Miura,” Lamborghini’s Perini said, “and add 10 percent to each dimension for this one.” These numbers seem only fitting for today’s larger consumers.
Lamborghini’s design center hasn’t gone completely retro, keeping the modern Lamborghini edge particularly in the taut and clean side panels. “When an interior is created for the car, you can expect a futuristic, high-tech and Spartan atmosphere,” Perini says. “[It gets] a real GT-car feel with all essentials and no unnecessary gadgets.” The green paint created specifically for this static prototype is more subtle than the company’s current bright Ithaca green.
Despite reluctance on Lamborghini’s part to discuss technical specifics, melding what Audi offers with a study of the Miura legend gives a hint. Prior to this car’s debut, rumor had this car’s name pegged at “LP400 Miura.” Though all original Miuras were rear-mid-mounted V12s with the engine arranged transversely in front of the rear axle, this new Miura would carry a rear-mid-engine mounted longitudinally. (The “LP” designation stands for “longitudinale posteriore,” or longitudinal rear in Lambo-speak.) In the original 763 production run of Miuras, there never was an LP layout.
Traditionally the “400” refers to the displacement: a 4.0-liter 60-degree V12 engine that Lamborghini used from 1966 through 1978; the intended reference raises speculation of a new 4.0-liter V12. A production Miura would more probably use a 6.5-liter, 700-hp version out of the company’s Murciélago 6.2-liter V12. This way it could easily carry the name LP650 Miura. That would position Miura to go mano a mano with the lingering Ferrari Enzo legacy in the never-dull crosstown rivalry. The dual-clutch, seven-speed DSG sequential trans-mission, lifted from company stablemate Bugatti Veyron 16.4, is likely to be adapted here.
In the wind tunnel, the Miura shape has lower drag than the Gallardo. The forward half of the original Miura tended to lift off the ground at highest speeds; the new Miura (with roughly twice the power) addresses this with a bold air dam that masses downforce and plenty of fluid-cooling air for the radiators, placed up front as in the 1960s layout. In back, a ducktail spoiler automatically deploys Murciélago-style while at speed, and a wide diffuser takes care of rear-end stability.
Lamborghini’s team has kept the early “box” look of the original’s famous 15-inch wheel by Campagnolo but blown out to a diameter of 20 inches. And rather than reuse the original’s baleen-like black grilles over two breathing holes on the front hood, this Miura gets one large recessed and rear-facing unmasked air channel. The heavy mascara around the headlights is revived, only now housed under glass.
Side upper and lower air intakes for engine cooling echo the early car, but are cleaner in execution. Front and rear hoods hinge at the outside edges and open clamshell-style per tradition. Quad black exhaust tips poke through a black honeycomb rear valance, and the rear window covered by six black louvers finishes off the powerful look. The bull-shaped typeface of the Miura badge is also used on the new car.
If greenlighted for production in late 2007, Miura will most likely get a form of quattro all-wheel drive, so attention will focus on restraining the curb weight. Look for ceramic brake discs, a titanium exhaust system and suspension springs, magnesium wheels and carbon composite body panels for both hoods and the roof. Properly executed, top speed should crest 200 mph, and acceleration to 60 mph would take 3.3 seconds.
Pricing would surely top the stated original list price for the Ferrari Enzo of $670,000. Inside, when you can get someone to talk, the current view is for an initial run of just 400 Miuras.
That's actually true...Due to the Gallardo's "low" price, it has become the most produced Lamborghini yet, though they have alot of the "special" models to thank that for....ToronadoYeah, but they are still selling every one of the pieces of garbage they can make.
Not with this it wouldn't be. The Miura was the flagship. If they were going to build it, they would realistically have to make it perform as such. And Ferrari already sort of had that area covered, with the Gran Sport, and then they sold Maserati. They don't want that area, because it would dilute the brand heritage.
GilesGuthrieRims are quite like those on other Lambos. Stock Murcielagos have those "holes-at-the-ends-of-the-spokes" design, and Gallardo alludes to it also. Actually, it's really only an evolution of the Audi Avus wheel.
240ZI actually think the wheels are supposed to echo the Campagnolo alloys on the original miura. The chrome finish is unfortunate, though.