New Lamborghini Miura Concept...? (NEW Miura pics @ Detroit on page 5!)

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:drool: The orginal miura was one of the best looking cars of all time, so i'm glad they didn't change it too much, I hope it isn't AWD though.

Poverty
I wish that this would have 400hp and a price tag of $120,000. Then I could buy one.

My dads just said if it was to go on sale as a sort of 911 priced car he'd go and try to put his money down now :( but i think it'll be more like £300,000+ Especially if it's going to have 700bhp.
 
Two things, first, that car really is gorgeous, what can I say, I dig the retro thing.

Second, the original Testarossa had a 3 liter 12 (I do believe it was a V, not flat) and was Front Engine/RWD.

If they were going to go retro, I'd like to see them take styling cues from the original "Redhead" and not the 80's version.

Oh, neat Rumor I've seen on the Ferrari Dino. 2.4 liter V-8...can you imagine the sounds that would make?

Edit: This is a Testarossa.

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Onikaze
Two things, first, that car really is gorgeous, what can I say, I dig the retro thing.

Second, the original Testarossa had a 3 liter 12 (I do believe it was a V, not flat) and was Front Engine/RWD.

If they were going to go retro, I'd like to see them take styling cues from the original "Redhead" and not the 80's version.

Oh, neat Rumor I've seen on the Ferrari Dino. 2.4 liter V-8...can you imagine the sounds that would make?

I'm pretty sure the 250TR was flat 12, and according to Ferrari there is no way the dino will be revived.

When asked if the dino will be revived deputy managing director Amedeo Felisa said: "Emphatically not. The posibility of a smaller less expensive Ferrari has been looked at but it would destroy the entire model range and proposition" :(
 
under18carbon

First he gets to drive the Daytona 500 Pace Car 2006 Corvette Z06, and then Jay Leno gets to be at the Miura launch.

Bastard.

Anyways, the 250TR from the 50's was a 3.0L Colombo V12 with red painted rocker covers, from which it got its nickname "Red Head" or "Testa Rossa". There were several variants. The early 1957 "Pontoon Fender" cars were designed for optimum airflow to cool their drum brakes (remember, Enzo despised disc brakes, and it took Ivor Bueb and Mike Hawthorn in the D-Type to prove to him they had advantages). Later cars wore various optimized bodies, most famously the TR59 Fantuzzi Spyder and the TR61 that Phil Hill drove to win the 12 Hours of Sebring in 1961.

It's this competition winning classic that Ferrari wishes to recall, not the Miami Vice atrocity.

The Miura, it's looking good too. With its size and lovely styling, I hope it supplants the boring as all hell Gallardo as Bologna's representative to fight the Modena.
 
They need to burn this design and everything that has to do with it. Who wants to bet this turns into another "Audighini" like the Gallardo? If they do put it into production, they should replace the mid-engined Audi S4 that the Gallardo is and instead make this. They shouldn't make this "neo-Miura" anyways, but whatever. The Miura was the flagship, and in order to faithfully remake it, they would have to replace the Murcielago. And that would be a large step backwards. Maybe a side model to the Murcielago, perhaps, with only 2WD and a similar price? As an aside, I wonder how long it will take before Gandini sues Lamborghini for full on ripping off his designs.
 
Toronado
They need to burn this design and everything that has to do with it. Who wants to bet this turns into another "Audighini" like the Gallardo? If they do put it into production, they should replace the mid-engined Audi S4 that the Gallardo is and instead make this. They shouldn't make this "neo-Miura" anyways, but whatever. The Miura was the flagship, and in order to faithfully remake it, they would have to replace the Murcielago. And that would be a large step backwards. Maybe a side model to the Murcielago, perhaps, with only 2WD and a similar price? As an aside, I wonder how long it will take before Gandini sues Lamborghini for full on ripping off his designs.

This Miura is expected to BE the flagship.

The Murcielago right now sits as the flagship car with all of its 600 horses. But this car, this Miura, is using Murcielago's engine and expecting to put out 700Hp. It's like the Murcielago, but better, thus, the car to represent Lamborghini.

No doubt it'll be:
Gallardo (Bottom)
Murcielago
Miura (Top)

And what models has Lamborghini down to "rip-off" Gandini, a designer of almost all previous Lamborghinis? This is the 1st model they "ripped-off" him.
 
*McLaren*
This Miura is expected to BE the flagship.
Okay, but has it ever been in Lamborghini's interest to make a "super" supercar? Discouting the SW30 Diablo, Lamborghini has always made cars one step down from the full monty, and my question is, could this lead to another early 90's? Lamborghini avoided the destruction of sales then because their cars still sold due to the Diablo's comparitivaly lower price. But what if they tool up to build this, and it just sits there? What will Lamborghini do then?

*McLaren*
And what models has Lamborghini down to "rip-off" Gandini, a designer of almost all previous Lamborghinis? This is the 1st model they "ripped-off" him.
I meant his designs for the Miura.
 
Toronado
Okay, but has it ever been in Lamborghini's interest to make a "super" supercar? Discouting the SW30 Diablo, Lamborghini has always made cars one step down from the full monty, and my question is, could this lead to another early 90's? Lamborghini avoided the destruction of sales then because their cars still sold due to the Diablo's comparitivaly lower price. But what if they tool up to build this, and it just sits there? What will Lamborghini do then?


I meant his designs for the Miura.

It's been quite a while since Lamborghini built the supercar to own, though almost all previous Lamborghinis were the fastest of their times until another manufacturer produced something faster....

I doubt the Miura will just "sit" there afterwards. Many owners, collectors, and enthusiasts will most likely buy the new Miura due to heritage of the old one.

SO what if the car doesn't perform at the top of its class? Then it'll just be like other Lamborghinis, not the top performer, but a d*mn good supercar.

If the car doesn't show it's supercar ways, it'll still sell due to the heritage of the old Miura.
 
Toronado
They need to burn this design and everything that has to do with it. Who wants to bet this turns into another "Audighini" like the Gallardo? If they do put it into production, they should replace the mid-engined Audi S4 that the Gallardo is and instead make this. They shouldn't make this "neo-Miura" anyways, but whatever. The Miura was the flagship, and in order to faithfully remake it, they would have to replace the Murcielago. And that would be a large step backwards. Maybe a side model to the Murcielago, perhaps, with only 2WD and a similar price? As an aside, I wonder how long it will take before Gandini sues Lamborghini for full on ripping off his designs.

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I've said before that the design struck me as too digital. After seeing it in more angles, I'll grudgingly admit it's got some curves.

But now I think the design is too cynical. Since when have Lamborghinis been dug-up and exhumed retro? Ford's GT I can understand, as Ford has no other current supercar, and no need for one... and the packaging made some sense, at least, within the GT's design envelope.

But Lamborghini has always been about looking forward. About being the best thing on four wheels... not about nostalgic kitsch.

Ferrari self-references itself in design, but never to the point of aping an old design completely.

That's the thing with supercar marquees. The traditional fascination with supercars includes the fact that each one is unique, with a personality all its own. I just don't see an Italian billionaire shelling out a couple of hundred thousand euros for a car that looks like a line for line copy of the Miura already sitting under glass in his garage.

The GT works because it's commemorative, not derivate, and the GT shape was nearly modern anyway. For that matter, if Nissan re-produced the R390 now, they could give it some minor styling tweaks and it'd still look modern.

The Miura's shape isn't. It was designed for a transverse mounted V12, hence the long low cowl and short butt. Look at the concept. Now think, how are they going to fit a 5 liter V10 or V12 behind the driver? The transverse mount was all fine and dandy for the original, but for a modern car?

The Miura's balance was dominated by the awkward packaging. Where does the fuel tank go? Laid out way forward in the original, the fuel tank caused the weight balance to change dramatically as the weight of the fuel changed over the length of the drive.

They could go with the general proportions and make a front-engined Audi-chassis (with that wonderful V8, perhaps tuned to 500hp) car with more modern lines... but don't call it a Miura... please.

Oh, I'll admit it's pretty, but if Lambo makes this... they've sold out. Wait, they're Audighini now, right :lol: Guess they've sold out already.
 
niky
The GT works because it's commemorative, not derivate, and the GT shape was nearly modern anyway. For that matter, if Nissan re-produced the R390 now, they could give it some minor styling tweaks and it'd still look modern.
That and Ford can't seem to style a new looking car at all anymore.
niky
The Miura's shape isn't. It was designed for a transverse mounted V12, hence the long low cowl and short butt. Look at the concept. Now think, how are they going to fit a 5 liter V10 or V12 behind the driver? The transverse mount was all fine and dandy for the original, but for a modern car?
The Miura's balance was dominated by the awkward packaging. Where does the fuel tank go? Laid out way forward in the original, the fuel tank caused the weight balance to change dramatically as the weight of the fuel changed over the length of the drive.
Snap son! I forgot all about that. And lest yee peoples forget, the Miura's V12 was puny compared to the Murcielago's, coming in at a "tiny" 4.0L. Unless they make this approx 7 feet wide in the rear, there's no way the Murcialago engine would fit and all hell would break loose if they shove the "Lamborghini" Gallardo 5.0L V10 in the back of it. It would be a crime to put that poser engine in anything that even looks like a Miura.
niky
They could go with the general proportions and make a front-engined Audi-chassis (with that wonderful V8, perhaps tuned to 500hp) car with more modern lines... but don't call it a Miura... please.
Alternitavely, they could try to shove the V8 in the rear, but then it would be the Espada, not to mention the Spyker does that better most likely anyways. Let's face it, we all know that Ferrari's always have been and always will be better cars than Lamborghinis, so if they start making all of the Lamborghinis like the Gallardo there will be no reason to buy them.
 
Toronado
Snap son! I forgot all about that. And lest yee peoples forget, the Miura's V12 was puny compared to the Murcielago's, coming in at a "tiny" 4.0L. Unless they make this approx 7 feet wide in the rear, there's no way the Murcialago engine would fit and all hell would break loose if they shove the "Lamborghini" Gallardo 5.0L V10 in the back of it. It would be a crime to put that poser engine in anything that even looks like a Miura.

Ah that's were I made my mistake. I had said the the Miura will use the Murcielago's engine....What it really is using is a smaller version of the Murcielago engine.

There is no word if the engine will be placed the same way as the original.
 
I'll first make it clear that I'm more of a Ferrari guy than Lamborghini, and second that I know very little about Lamborghini's history (overall, I know some) when compared to other marques from around the world...

...That said, I think it would be much more cost effective and more sensible to the lineup to place the Muria at the bottom instead of the top. Now now, I know that the Muria was the top dog at the time, but wassent Lamborghni only producing one other car at the time?

To me, it would just seem logical to build a car that can be priced and perform compeditively with the Porsche 911, Maserati Grand Sport, and Aston Martin DB9. Considering that they can use many of the bits and pieces from Audi, I would vote for the detuned Lamborghini V10 from the R8 or the RS4's V8 matted to a 6-speed manual or 6-speed DSG transmission...

To me, it seems more logical. The car even looks as though it would be placed beneath the Gallarado and Murcilago...
 
YSSMAN
I'll first make it clear that I'm more of a Ferrari guy than Lamborghini, and second that I know very little about Lamborghini's history (overall, I know some) when compared to other marques from around the world...

...That said, I think it would be much more cost effective and more sensible to the lineup to place the Muria at the bottom instead of the top. Now now, I know that the Muria was the top dog at the time, but wassent Lamborghni only producing one other car at the time?

To me, it would just seem logical to build a car that can be priced and perform compeditively with the Porsche 911, Maserati Grand Sport, and Aston Martin DB9. Considering that they can use many of the bits and pieces from Audi, I would vote for the detuned Lamborghini V10 from the R8 or the RS4's V8 matted to a 6-speed manual or 6-speed DSG transmission...

To me, it seems more logical. The car even looks as though it would be placed beneath the Gallarado and Murcilago...
Well, when you mention the 911, DB9 and GS as the competition, guess what....that's what the Gallardo is supposed to competiting against. Now I haven't read up lately on how the Gallardo is doing, but the 911s, DB9s, AMV8s, F430s....these are what the Gallardo is supposed to be taking on.
 
Toronado
That and Ford can't seem to style a new looking car at all anymore.

:lol: 👍 Except ones they're not building, like the Iosis. Even the new Ford Focus has been slammed for being too conservative (despite looking hot in ST trim). S' why I got my "Ford" at a low price. Ultra-conservative styling just pushed it out of the market. I paid about $2000 less than I would have for a similarly equipped Civic. 200 unit limited edition and all, and I still got one without waiting in line.

@Mclaren

The concept design leaves very little room for a mid-engine layout, unless, as Toronado says, they put in a 4 liter or smaller powerplant. If they make it front engined, it'll just seal my belief, as well as convince the Italian sportscar cognesceti, that it's just a cynical marketing ploy.
 
The miura will obviously sell. Its beautiful. A copy of a old car but still beautiful so it will sell. As for the engine the miura will have a bit of veyron technology used on it.
 
niky
:lol: 👍 Except ones they're not building, like the Iosis. Even the new Ford Focus has been slammed for being too conservative (despite looking hot in ST trim). S' why I got my "Ford" at a low price. Ultra-conservative styling just pushed it out of the market. I paid about $2000 less than I would have for a similarly equipped Civic. 200 unit limited edition and all, and I still got one without waiting in line.

@Mclaren

The concept design leaves very little room for a mid-engine layout, unless, as Toronado says, they put in a 4 liter or smaller powerplant. If they make it front engined, it'll just seal my belief, as well as convince the Italian sportscar cognesceti, that it's just a cynical marketing ploy.
Well, right now, no one but Lamborghini is sure of how "small" the Murcielago version of the engine is.
Not to mention this is a concept, and changes can happen very fast
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Most people here on GTP know how bass-ackwards I am about newer cars, but this really, really is the 2nd best looking car made by mankind.(Can't top the original) I think it would be an awesome car. I dig the retro look, and to all of the retro haters, I think retro sells quite well. What's better than a 700 bhp car that can blow an enzo and maybe veyron's doors off, that doesn't look like a turd?

I really hope they make this. And I agre, it could use more slats and stuff.
 
under18carbon
(Anyone kind enough to translate? :))
Me, Me, Me, Me, ......., Me :nervous: :dopey:


Lamborghini revives the most famous model, the Miura. The public got the change to gaze at this retro model developed by Walter de Silva at the autoshow in Detroit.

The first appearance (the debut) of the Lamborhini Miura was in 1966. This car, developed by Macello Gandini, is till today the most admired model of Lamborgini.
Walter de Silva, whom just became head of the design department, developed this concept of the Miura in a modern fashion. What Ford previously did with the GT40, Lamborgini did with the Miura. The original (classical) model was given a modern look without “raping“ the original.
“De last 2 years, I thought about redeveloping (redesigning) the Miura”, Walter de Silva said, whom is since some time chief of design by Audi, the parent company of Lamborgini. Since December he’s, after the departure of Luc Donckerwolcke to Seat, also the chief of the Centro Stile of Lamborghini. “Manager Stephan Winckemann has with his approval, made this dream come true, “ thus so the Italian designer, whom was previous responsible for the Alfa Romeo 156 and the Seat Altea.
Lamborgini raises no doubt, that this car will go in production if there’re enough demands for this car. The Miura concept has a 6.2 liter V12 with 580 hp, which is the same engine of the Murciélago.


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Hp = pk??? I mean is the amount of "hp" equal to the amount of "pk"????
Pk is dutch for “paardekracht”. Paard = horse, kracht = power

I hope this translation is "kind of" understandable.
 
*McLaren*
Well, when you mention the 911, DB9 and GS as the competition, guess what....that's what the Gallardo is supposed to competiting against. Now I haven't read up lately on how the Gallardo is doing, but the 911s, DB9s, AMV8s, F430s....these are what the Gallardo is supposed to be taking on.

The Gallarado, yes, is supposed to compete with the 911 Turbo, DB9 V12, and F430... But its performance (although good) hasent lived up to everything, as even the Corvette Z51 can match it (or beat it) in most situations.

I was refering more to the high-lux, but lower end performance cars in and aound the area of the "regular" 911 Carrera, V8 Vantage, Grand Sport, and SL55. Not to deminish their performance figures, but a good $100K sports car would be a great target market for Lamborghini and Ferarri to shoot for.
 
YSSMAN
The Gallarado, yes, is supposed to compete with the 911 Turbo, DB9 V12, and F430... But its performance (although good) hasent lived up to everything, as even the Corvette Z51 can match it (or beat it) in most situations.
Yeah, but they are still selling every one of the pieces of garbage they can make.
YSSMAN
I was refering more to the high-lux, but lower end performance cars in and aound the area of the "regular" 911 Carrera, V8 Vantage, Grand Sport, and SL55. Not to deminish their performance figures, but a good $100K sports car would be a great target market for Lamborghini and Ferarri to shoot for.
Not with this it wouldn't be. The Miura was the flagship. If they were going to build it, they would realistically have to make it perform as such. And Ferrari already sort of had that area covered, with the Gran Sport, and then they sold Maserati. They don't want that area, because it would dilute the brand heritage.
 
Ferrari didnt sell Maserati, they just turned control of the company over to Alfa Romeo...

Remember that FIAT SpA owns Fiat, Lancia, Alfa Romeo, Maserati, and Ferrari.
 
New Miura info! :]

Don't know the source though. :indiff:

Experts agree: The best thing ever produced by Automobili Lamborghini in both styling and image -- if not on the road -- was the Miura between May 1966 and December 1972.

For those counting, the Miura’s 40th anniversary was celebrated throughout 2005, by, alas, overly eager party people. A naked Miura chassis debuted at the Turin exhibition in November 1965, but it wasn’t until March 1966 in Geneva that Bertone coachwork mastered by Marcello Gandini dressed it up and changed the world.

When Miura went out of production in 1972 it was just the beginning of perpetual rumors that this evocative design would make a comeback. The question was when.

The answer is now.

The reveal for the new Miura concept was set for Jan. 5 for a small, invited group of hoity-toity at the Museum of Radio and Television in Los Angeles, before its public bow at Detroit’s North American International Auto Show, alongside the Gallardo Spyder.

Why Detroit and not Geneva? There is no better way to tip its hat to Lamborghini’s largest market. “It’s a good way of thanking the U.S. for over 40 percent of our total business,” Stephan Winkelmann, CEO and president of Lamborghini, told AutoWeek on an exclusive visit to its Sant’Agata Bolognese headquarters. “That, and we have something else planned for Geneva.”

Know that the Miura is now just an advanced exterior design study. Lamborghini officials say no decision has been made regarding production. But initial reaction to the Miura project has already been off the scale; how well it is received in Detroit may aid in giving it the green light.

Wildly positive reactions are not new for Walter de’ Silva, chief of design for Volkswagen’s Audi brand group (Audi, SEAT and Lamborghini) and now personally in charge of Lamborghini Centro Stile. Working with Lamborghini’s then design leader Luc Donckerwolke and head of exterior design Filippo Perini, de’ Silva led the creation of the new Miura—called Concept M internally—beginning in October 2003.

“He has had a very clear vision for this design and has phoned me at all hours with ideas,” said Perini of de’ Silva’s involvement.

Uedelhoven Studios in Germany, which built the Audi Le Mans quattro concept, built a full-scale Miura concept from a design finally approved in early November ’05. Yes, that was short order and quick work considering the effort that had to be made.

Tipped to ride on the future Audi R8 chassis—an adaptation of the Gallardo architecture—and be built in Neckarsulm, Germany, alongside the Audi, Miura is longer, wider and lower than the R8 [production name for the Le Mans quattro concept]. It is also longer and wider than the Gallardo, but taller by 1.4 inch.

“Look at the original Miura,” Lamborghini’s Perini said, “and add 10 percent to each dimension for this one.” These numbers seem only fitting for today’s larger consumers.

Lamborghini’s design center hasn’t gone completely retro, keeping the modern Lamborghini edge particularly in the taut and clean side panels. “When an interior is created for the car, you can expect a futuristic, high-tech and Spartan atmosphere,” Perini says. “[It gets] a real GT-car feel with all essentials and no unnecessary gadgets.” The green paint created specifically for this static prototype is more subtle than the company’s current bright Ithaca green.

Despite reluctance on Lamborghini’s part to discuss technical specifics, melding what Audi offers with a study of the Miura legend gives a hint. Prior to this car’s debut, rumor had this car’s name pegged at “LP400 Miura.” Though all original Miuras were rear-mid-mounted V12s with the engine arranged transversely in front of the rear axle, this new Miura would carry a rear-mid-engine mounted longitudinally. (The “LP” designation stands for “longitudinale posteriore,” or longitudinal rear in Lambo-speak.) In the original 763 production run of Miuras, there never was an LP layout.

Traditionally the “400” refers to the displacement: a 4.0-liter 60-degree V12 engine that Lamborghini used from 1966 through 1978; the intended reference raises speculation of a new 4.0-liter V12. A production Miura would more probably use a 6.5-liter, 700-hp version out of the company’s Murciélago 6.2-liter V12. This way it could easily carry the name LP650 Miura. That would position Miura to go mano a mano with the lingering Ferrari Enzo legacy in the never-dull crosstown rivalry. The dual-clutch, seven-speed DSG sequential trans-mission, lifted from company stablemate Bugatti Veyron 16.4, is likely to be adapted here.

In the wind tunnel, the Miura shape has lower drag than the Gallardo. The forward half of the original Miura tended to lift off the ground at highest speeds; the new Miura (with roughly twice the power) addresses this with a bold air dam that masses downforce and plenty of fluid-cooling air for the radiators, placed up front as in the 1960s layout. In back, a ducktail spoiler automatically deploys Murciélago-style while at speed, and a wide diffuser takes care of rear-end stability.

Lamborghini’s team has kept the early “box” look of the original’s famous 15-inch wheel by Campagnolo but blown out to a diameter of 20 inches. And rather than reuse the original’s baleen-like black grilles over two breathing holes on the front hood, this Miura gets one large recessed and rear-facing unmasked air channel. The heavy mascara around the headlights is revived, only now housed under glass.

Side upper and lower air intakes for engine cooling echo the early car, but are cleaner in execution. Front and rear hoods hinge at the outside edges and open clamshell-style per tradition. Quad black exhaust tips poke through a black honeycomb rear valance, and the rear window covered by six black louvers finishes off the powerful look. The bull-shaped typeface of the Miura badge is also used on the new car.

If greenlighted for production in late 2007, Miura will most likely get a form of quattro all-wheel drive, so attention will focus on restraining the curb weight. Look for ceramic brake discs, a titanium exhaust system and suspension springs, magnesium wheels and carbon composite body panels for both hoods and the roof. Properly executed, top speed should crest 200 mph, and acceleration to 60 mph would take 3.3 seconds.

Pricing would surely top the stated original list price for the Ferrari Enzo of $670,000. Inside, when you can get someone to talk, the current view is for an initial run of just 400 Miuras.

Anyways - heard another rumour and apparently the car is going to be priced between $250-$275K, not $700K, with a 550-600hp V12.
 
Toronado
Yeah, but they are still selling every one of the pieces of garbage they can make.

Not with this it wouldn't be. The Miura was the flagship. If they were going to build it, they would realistically have to make it perform as such. And Ferrari already sort of had that area covered, with the Gran Sport, and then they sold Maserati. They don't want that area, because it would dilute the brand heritage.
That's actually true...Due to the Gallardo's "low" price, it has become the most produced Lamborghini yet, though they have alot of the "special" models to thank that for....
 
Miura comes to Detroit....! :D

Pics courtesy of VWVortex.com. :)

I must say I'm liking it more and more..., though those rims have got to go. A bit too flashy. Too bad there's no interior shots though :( Probably a static model...?
 

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Rims are quite like those on other Lambos. Stock Murcielagos have those "holes-at-the-ends-of-the-spokes" design, and Gallardo alludes to it also. Actually, it's really only an evolution of the Audi Avus wheel.
 
GilesGuthrie
Rims are quite like those on other Lambos. Stock Murcielagos have those "holes-at-the-ends-of-the-spokes" design, and Gallardo alludes to it also. Actually, it's really only an evolution of the Audi Avus wheel.


I actually think the wheels are supposed to echo the Campagnolo alloys on the original miura. The chrome finish is unfortunate, though.
 
240Z
I actually think the wheels are supposed to echo the Campagnolo alloys on the original miura. The chrome finish is unfortunate, though.

(pulls out dusty old car encyclopedia).... hey, you're right. They should have kept a matte finish... and more of a lip would make the resemblance more obvious. From side on, they don't look much like the originals.
 
the front lights ruin it for me, they need to be more 'lairy' and to say to the enzo; hey, your'e crap compared to what i got behind my seats bro
 
I love the crazy design they did with Logo. Mimics the old SV model as well! :D :dopey:
 
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