New news about the price

[Solid Lifters]

Please dont...bring that up. It's about experiences of a game and real life techniques. Dont turn this into some childish battle on who's more experienced.

My judgment was questioned, so it was valid to state the facts.

And before this gets ugly...

Well, that's entirely up to you, now isn't it. You keep it clean, it'll stay that way.

1) MGS is no where near realistic. I'm not taking away from the fact that it's the most amazing console game I've ever played, but it's not worthy of that much praise in the shooting department.

I agree, but it's more realistic than SOCOM, which you admit below needs to do what it does to promote fair and fun gameplay.

With the PS3 coming, maybe we'll get to see more IRW sniping techniques and features like adjusting for windage, elevation, temperature, humidity, angle, target speed, etc. To be able to read signs for windage would awesome. You could test for windage in Hot Shots Golf Three by being able to drop some blades of grass, so why not sniping in a video game?

2) I'm not doubting you're a great shooter, or even questioning your experience, I am however, stating that movement is natural when you're not firing. Obviously you haven't had sniper courses. Shooting and hunting are very different from sniping. Having been in a Training Support unit for 4 years in the military, I have come across many Snipers from the op 4 team.

All movement is natural, so I don't know what you were trying to say there. I've beaten the pants off of Military snipers in IHMSA competitions. Though, that's with handguns, but I went to handgun silhouette shooting when rifle was too easy to hold my interest. I never hunt anymore with a rifle, unless it's with my lever action .44 Marlin or Winchester. To train for silhouette shooting, you study Military Field Manuals in sniping, which I still have and read from time-to-time. I know military sniping technique, believe me.

You DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT, tense up and hold still while "tracking" your target if you do not have a tripod. Your muscles will get tired and you have a greater chance to miss.

I don't remember saying you do "tense up." But, you do use as little muscle strength to control your movements and your line of sight.

You relax, losely follow your target, then you hold your breath, lock up, and fire. These are all taught by the military, and Socom is a military game. I'm not doubting any of your experience, however, you are ignoring key factors about this in place of Civilian firing techniques that are not for sniping at all.

Again, I know military sniping techniques, so no need to tell me what to do. I have no idea why you feel I'm ignoring something.

Also, you are forgetting that Socom is a game, and I will admit some (to an extent) of the muzzle movment is exaggerated, however, it is this way for balance. If the muzzle were to stay perfectly still, or even slightly still, then it would take away from the balance of the game(as the sniper rifle would become too powefull).

I know it's just a game. Though, not a very good one. Again, too much exaggerated sight movement, unable to track a moving target and fire, too much recoil, etc. But, I would like a Military video game that was a bit more accurate. BTW, a sniper is very powerful tool on the battle field, so why not a game? Though, I do like the game, because I've played is more than several times, it still leaves me cold.

With that having been said, I do not know ONE sniper who takes his M25 (Which, by the way is the urban combat sniper rifle of choice by both the US army and US Navy) without at least carrying a tripod. Also, while the M25 is best with distances up to 500m, it has a maximum effective range of between 800 and 900 meters.

Actually, the M25 has an attached bipod. Every single one I've seen has one. A lot of people might choose the M25 for sniping duty, but I would never. I like shooting at distances at and over 1,500m with my .308, and .338. Making ammo for bolt action rifles is a lot easier and more accurate than for a semi-auto.

With that all having been said, I don't doubt that Socom is overcompensating, but it isn't that bad, as it does in fact reflect real practices of the US military. Your goal as a sniper is not to maintain your steady aim throughout, only when you are ready to fire to you steady your self, close your scanning eye, hold your breath, and pull the trigger. Any other time, you are simply scanning, with no focus on your other fundementals.

Read a Military Field Manual for sniping, and you'll know what's need of you. Again, keeping steady is easy IRW, and I never move around as much as in SOCOM. That's why it's so disappointing.

 

[Niels]

My judgment was questioned, so it was valid to state the facts.

You both dont get it, if someone would be smart in this endless discussion, then someone would shut up.
I mean by that, just stop posting, not like thacon did, thats posting you are gonna shut up and still reply to every message...

Thacon you arent the creator of SOCOM, you dont need to defend it like this man, if it's just a game like you said, why bother making such a big deal of it.
Solidlifters, you made your point that you think SOCOM isn't realistic.

This is supposed to be about the price of the PS3, the last posts are all about the discussion of Socom, I dont think this is the appropriate thread

Edit:

These are far from just "my" needs. A lot of people feel the same way I do about the following games. They lack a certain need to play these games, and lack that fun factor other games I mentioned have.

Thats true:tup:

 

[Tedehur]

The report says that the manufacturing cost is estimated at $900. It doesn't mean at all that the PS3 will be sold at that price or higher.

It means that Sony who has already invested a lot in R&D will lose a lot of money on each PS3 sold, and that it will take years for the console to be profitable. And of course, it a company is less profitable, shareholders get less dividends so they sell their shares to buy more profitable ones.
That's all what the report is about. Not about the console selling price which has to be roughly the same as competitors' products.

 

[Drillah]

...console selling price which has to be roughly the same as competitors' products.

Not if they can convince 'average joe consumer' that it has more gadgetry and techery stuffed inside it.

 

[Tedehur]

Not if they can convince 'average joe consumer' that it has more gadgetry and techery stuffed inside it.

Of course. But that means the console can hit the shelves at about $400 or perhaps even $500 but certainly not $800, $900 or $1,200 as it has been mentioned. There would be no justification for a price three or four times bigger than the X-box 360.

 

[a6m5]

I don't think you should take this "manufacturing cost" figure too literally. $900 or whatever is the estimate of the initial cost. With product like PS3, which will be produced in very high numbers, coming into the market, that manufacturing cost will lower very quickly. More Blu-ray and Cell Chip technology is distributed, it becomes cheaper to produce.

I'd look at it like this: It may cost $900, now. Hundred or two lower within the first year of its' production. By the time it's replaced by PS4, less than $300 to manufacture. Add all of this up, I would guess the average cost per PS3 to be around $350 - $500(pure guess). From there, Sony will probably sell the units with little bit of loss, because they will make it all back on softwares(theirs and 3rd party).

That's my take on it.

 

[Niels]

I just dont think the PS3 will sell if it kicks of at 3 times the price of the 360.

It's just not going to happen. Sony would never allow this, and they wouldn't release the PS3 if the production costs were that friggin high. They would only do this if they are cappable of already funding the production of the PS3 and can afford it to sell it at a big loss.
Trust me, Sony would have waited if the thing was that expensive.

 

[Tenacious D]

It won't cost more than $499. The component prices people are kicking around are inflated quite a bit, like the Blu-Ray drive cost based on a stand alone drive unit, which would be at least twice as expensive.

I was thinking $349 at launch a few weeks ago, but even at $499, I'll poreorder one.

 

[rubyracer]

It won't cost more than $499. The component prices people are kicking around are inflated quite a bit, like the Blu-Ray drive cost based on a stand alone drive unit, which would be at least twice as expensive.

I was thinking $349 at launch a few weeks ago, but even at $499, I'll poreorder one.

It's official it will be launched at the price not less than $425 USD.Expensive huh!

 

[Tenacious D]

Well.... yeah... and it might be $499 then. But I'll still preorder one. I can't help it, I'm lusting pretty badly after seeing some of the 360 games, the PS3 early videos and playing Forza.

 

[Pebb]

GameSpot reckon in the USA it will be sold for $500. But I reckon in the USA $400, and in the UK £290-£320.

 

[BMWteamPTG]

if it ends up costing me $400.00, ill pay it up, when i can save up the $$$

 

[dougiemeats]

Yeah I could agree with $400, considering the prices of video cards alone. I'm thinking more like 450-500 though

 

[Dave A]

But PC video cards have always been priced like that, back when the PS2 launched here for £300 there were £250-£300 PC video cards on shop shelves too, and the PS2 was as good if not better than them. PC products and console products haev always been priced differently, the PC video cards are produced in much lower numbers and they can't afford to sell the hardware at a loss because a compnay like NVidia doesn't make games and other peripherals to get the losses back like Sony and MS.

 

[dougiemeats]

Yeah you're right, pricing for PC hardware vs. console hardware is not a fair comparison. What I was trying to get at though, is that whatever we the consumer end up having to pay will be significantly less than the value of the components used to build.

 

[Gabkicks]

dont blue ray drives cost like $1000? if so i think that would justify a ps3 costing 700 or more.

all i know is i'm gonan be getting a ps3 sooner or later. probaby not untill after gt5 comes out. and if the reviews arent so great for gt5 then i'll be spending that money on a new pc

 

[Dave A]

You can get them for less a lot less, however new technology costs a hell of a lot in the first few months simply to make as much back on the development as quickly as possible. Again comparing BR drives you can buy for your TV or PC to what comes standard in a PS3 isn't going to give you consitent results, a TV player will be more expensive than a PC drive which in turn will be more expensive than a drive built to be in a hundered million plus PS3's. If there was one drive by one company made for TV's, the compnay could sell it a hell of a lot cheaper, they might not because they can charge what they want, but they can make a profit at a lower level with less competition because they get more sales. Like this to the drive in the PS3, everyone will get the same drive, theres no other drives knocking down the sales of the PS3's standard drive because there are no other drives for the PS3. It'll likely cost Sony less than $150 for each BR drive put into the PS3, you total the cost of the PS3 o be made on an individual model basis and your looking at amybe $550 each, that would put Sony at a £150 loss per unit if they sold them for $400 each which would be consistent with what a console manufacturer normally loses per unit in the first few batches of consoles made.

 

[Master_Yoda]

Well.... yeah... and it might be $499 then. But I'll still preorder one. I can't help it, I'm lusting pretty badly after seeing some of the 360 games, the PS3 early videos and playing Forza.

Yeah, I was thinking of getting a Xbox360 over a PS3. Bt after Forza, i thought that GT5 would just be (in my opinion) way betetr then Forza 2. Other wise the only games i want for PS3 is 2 Days in Vegas, that off road game, GTA4. And that's pretty much it, maybe Killzone2.

 

[LaBounti]

To me none of the xbox 360 games capture my attention to lust over a new system like Warhawk and Motorstorm have and both will be playable in a little more than a month.

There's nothing refreshing on Xbox360 imo so many pc ports and nothing fresh.

 

[SiGNAL]

screw $900 im stealing one if it comes out to be that much

 

[a6m5]

screw $900 im stealing one if it comes out to be that much

Is it gonna be close to $1,000? Answer is yes and no.

Yes - Because it is due out right before Christmas. Remember PS2 fetching around $800 on eBay? With Sony attempting to launch worldwide, in the holiday shopping season, I belive it will cause the same price hike we've seen before for the PS2 and X360.

No - Sony will never release the PS3 at $900. They will effectively put themselves out of business. Even the $299 -$399 X360 isn't cheap. No matter how good the PS3 might be, most people will never justify spending double and triple the price of the Nintendo Revolution and Xbox 360.

We all know how the console manufacturers a lot of times sell their consoles at loss, so they can make the money back on games? With Sony, it's not just the games(and accessories). Indirectly, they'll be making a lot of money off of the Blu-ray DVD movies as well. After the Sony's purchase of MGM's films, their collection(i.e. merchandises) is bigger than ever.

 

[Omnis]

dont blue ray drives cost like $1000? if so i think that would justify a ps3 costing 700 or more.

all i know is i'm gonan be getting a ps3 sooner or later. probaby not untill after gt5 comes out. and if the reviews arent so great for gt5 then i'll be spending that money on a new pc

Do you honestly believe multiple millions of 1000 dollar Blu-Ray drives will be used in the ps3's production? Sony won't mass produce anything until they drive costs down enough.

 

[Small_Fryz]

im waiting for the PS3. No reason to buy Xbox 360....

PS3 can run all the old PS2 games, plus with games like GTA4 and GT5, and that dirt racing game, the PS3 is as good as sold for me. I can pretty much buy any Xbox360 game worth having on my PC and the graphics will look just as good.

 

[amar212]

PLAYSTATION 3 WILL COST AROUND 600 EURO.

From today's PlayFrance:

If the light of PlayStation 3 being officially announced for next November, its price when coming out remained a great mystery - until yesterday evening.

Being asked about the new console on radio Europe 1 on the Generation Europe 1 Show yesterday evening around 23 hours, George Fornay - the President of Sony Computer Entertainment France and Vice president of Sony Computer Entertainment Europe - confirmed that the PS3 will be available in the range of the 500 euros, between 499 euros and 599 euros.

He also specified that it may be expensive for a game console but remains very cheap for a true HD platform with support of HD films and Blu Ray. In addition, he confirmed the world start of PS3 for November

Lastly, Mr. Fornay pointed out that the delay of PlayStation 3 was due to the adjustments on the protection system of Blu-Ray, but that it was a good thing for the preparation of launching, taking the delay of the PSP like example.

ENDS

So, we finally have a official window here. 600 euros + game + additional acessories equals around 750 which is pretty much a great price - when you take into concern that fair old PS2 was selling at 1100 Deutsch Marks (550 euros) on it's European start in November 2000.

 

[Diego440]

so in about a couple of years we could see that price cut in half... I'll be getting my PS3 in 2008! Yay!

 

[Dave A]

If it's 400 Euro's it'll be £300 which would be $500.
If it's 500 Euro's it'll be £350 which would be $600
If it's 600 Euro's it'll be £400 which woulf be $750

I've rounded all the £ and $ prices to the nearest 50.
Eurpean prices are where I expected them to be, well £300-£350, but with a world wide release in mind, the US may not get a bargain compared to us like they did with the PS2 they will likely be charged at similar prices as I've listed above.

 

[Jay]

600 Euros is roughly $1000 AUD, a bit pricey . I bet Xbox 360's $640 AUD price wont look so bad to many potential console buyers.

 

[Dave A]

Yep, it's pretty much going to cost between $700 AUD and $1000 AUD.

 

[Jay]

If Playfrance is correct, I expect it to be atleast $850 AUD+

They are going to have to pull some real rabbits out of their hats if they are going to pry $1000 out of me by Christmas.

 

[Solid Lifters]

http://www.gaming-age.com/news/2006/4/5-7

More reports coming in about the price. Jeux-France is pretty reliable, credible gaming website. I'll believe them if they say Sony leaked them an "about" price for the PS3.

Here's the original story translated from Jeux-France.

" PlayStation 3 around 500 euros


During an interview granted to the emission Generation Europe 1 on radio Europe 1, George Fornay, President de Sony Computer Entertainment France and Senior Vice-president of Sony Computer Entertainment Europe, confirmed that PlayStation 3, planned for next November in the whole world, will be available ' in the fork of the 500 euros ' by specifying that it will be expensive for a video game console, but enough cheap for a platform high definition reading of films to the Blu-ray format. In addition, the person in charge announces that more than 14 million PSP were produced in the world. "