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No way code they're not trying to scare everyone away cuz that would include me. most I'll pay s $500 if it comes with some nice content, say a free blu-ray movie and HD cables.
 
$400 to $500 sounds reasonable to me:tup: , but more than that?..nah...👎 I'll wait a couple of years.
 
I think I'll have to wait until after release to get one now. I don't see me and my brother saving up enough for getting it on the release date if it's going to be £400, while getting a game and whatever acessories we need for it. We could probably afford the console by itself, but nothing more which is pretty useless. :lol: We may have to wait until Christmas (if it gets released November). If not that, we may have to wait until the first price drop... I'll just have to see what deals and packs they do with the consoles.
 
LaBounti
No way code they're not trying to scare everyone away cuz that would include me. most I'll pay s $500 if it comes with some nice content, say a free blu-ray movie and HD cables.
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Sony said a while ago the PS3 will come with a Blu-ray Demo disk of games available, or soon to be available. Plus, a free Blu-ray movie and a Blu-ray disk with high-def TV shows.

I'd buy one at either $500 or $600 US Dollars, if I can find one. But, I might hold off if I don't have my new SED 1080p HDTV set by then. 'Cause, I don't have a HDMI 1.3 input on my current HDTV set, which is five years old. So, that means I wont be enjoying any high-def movies or games, because you'll only get HD via a HDMI connection.
 
Remember for the UK price, the £400 is the maximum in the pirce range the Sony guy mentioned, £300 was the minimum in his price range, it could be £300, £350 or £400.
 
Solid Lifters
So, that means I wont be enjoying any high-def movies or games, because you'll only get HD via a HDMI connection.
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So what you are saying is sony will screw everyone that runs HD via component cables? I dont think sony would force people to buy HDMI to DVI-D converters.
 
LaBounti
So what you are saying is sony will screw everyone that runs HD via component cables? I dont think sony would force people to buy HDMI to DVI-D converters.
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It's not yet known, completely, what all studios and game developers are going to do. But, Disney and Fox said they would block HD via anything other than HDMI. It's not yet known if that means it will be down-rezed, or completely blocked. We still have to wait, but Sony said "It's up to movie and game developers."
 
Solid Lifters
because you'll only get HD via a HDMI connection.
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No, that means you will only get 1080p via an HDMI connection.

It's like this, Component is a great cable format, but the bandwidth the cables offer only allow 720p, maxed at 1080i (this is only possible because it is an interlaced signal vs 720p' progressive signal), vs HDMI, which has EXTREMELY higher bandwidth, thus allowing resolutions upto 1080p.

But a Component cable will serve you just fine for 480p, 720p, and 1080i.
 
tha_con
No, that means you will only get 1080p via an HDMI connection.

It's like this, Component is a great cable format, but the bandwidth the cables offer only allow 720p, maxed at 1080i (this is only possible because it is an interlaced signal vs 720p' progressive signal), vs HDMI, which has EXTREMELY higher bandwidth, thus allowing resolutions upto 1080p.

But a Component cable will serve you just fine for 480p, 720p, and 1080i.
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I have an HDTV and I reallllllllyyyy want to know what GT5 is going to look on it. That plus my 5.1 surround sound. Now all I need is a cockpit:)
 
$499 I think

Seems like a good price/ratio for a start :)
 
Yep, the penny less than the pound or cent less than the dollar ect is done for psycological reasons.
 
I don't buy it. $600 to $750? Unless the person in charge of Playstaion at Sony(whatever his name was) calls for the press and officialy says that PS3 will retail at somewhere between $600 - $750, I won't believe it. I don't know about all the weird pricing in the markets around the world, but in the U.S., anything over $500 definitely will not fly. If they did release it at $500, I predict the X360 to close the Xbox-Playstaion gap really fast.

U.S. Prices(and my predictions):

Over $600 - X360 will be the best selling console, while PS3 and Revolution battle for the No. 2 spot.

Around $500 - Sony looks to beat out X360 with PS3, but by a much smaller margin than we've seen before with PS2/Xbox. Nintendo, very happy with "better than expected" sales of Revolutions.

$350 - $400(maybe $450) - Sony dominates. Again.
 
tha_con
No, that means you will only get 1080p via an HDMI connection.

It's like this, Component is a great cable format, but the bandwidth the cables offer only allow 720p, maxed at 1080i (this is only possible because it is an interlaced signal vs 720p' progressive signal), vs HDMI, which has EXTREMELY higher bandwidth, thus allowing resolutions upto 1080p.

But a Component cable will serve you just fine for 480p, 720p, and 1080i.
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No, it wont. Not with the PS3, or other BD, HD-DVD and other HD devices, either.

Blu-ray, and therefore the PS3, will run HDCP and AACS. Look that up. It will run something called ICT, which stands for Image Constraint Token. It blocks all HD sources by either downrezing or completely blocking them if the connection used is anything but HDMI.

Meaning, no HDMI, no high-def by way of downrezing, or complete blocking. Nice, huh?
 
Solid Lifters
No, it wont. Not with the PS3, or other BD, HD-DVD and other HD devices, either.

Blu-ray, and therefore the PS3, will run HDCP and AACS. Look that up. It will run something called ICT, which stands for Image Constraint Token. It blocks all HD sources by either downrezing or completely blocking them if the connection used is anything but HDMI.

Meaning, no HDMI, no high-def by way of downrezing, or complete blocking. Nice, huh?
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HDCP = Wrong.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/14/sony-wont-downsample-blu-ray-flicks/

Blu-Ray is *capable* of HDCP, but the publisher will be the one to implement it. I doubt many publishers (Disney, Fox, Paramount) will opt to alienate a large amount of their user base using HDCP so soon. The ICT is merely a publisher option, as proven by Sony's choice to EXCLUDE ICT from their Blu-Ray titles.

Why you would even BRING UP AACS is beyond me, since it is merely a method to prevent piracy and nothing more.

So, in conclusion, since you felt the need to insult my intelligence and knowledge on the matter, how about YOU look up the information before you go around providing false information to other forum members.

The PS3 will display your video games in HD resolutions between 480p and 1080i just fine via Component cables, while 1080p will only be achievable through HDMI, because of bandwidth Issues.

As far as movies go, I seriously doubt any publisher is going to immediately implement HDCP right from the start, even though a significant amount of HDTV's are no longer analog (and haven't been since around 1999). Sure, if you do run into a movie that supports HDCP, you will need to snag yourself an HDMI cable (or HDMI > DVI converter) to watch them, but your games, rest assured (if you want to say they won't I'll bookmark this to laugh at you later) will do just fine via component cables.

HDCP is merely a method to protect the integrity of the signal, to assure that it will display at maximum resolution and recieve all proper color data at all times. Nothing more, nothing less, and I doubt movie studios will use it frequently as it has nothing to do with piracy, and would only alienate a portion of their consumer base.
 
Source: CVG

PS3: YOURS FOR 500 EUROS

SCEE senior VP reveals anticipated price for PS3 and confims plans for European launch this November

George Fornay, senior vice-president of SCEE and president of SCE France, has revealed that the company's next-gen console PlayStation 3 is still bound for simultaneous launch, including Europe, this November and that the machine is expected to retail for around 500 euros - well, it'll fall somewhere in the 499 to 599 euros range anyway, apparently.

Speaking on French radio Europe 1, as reported by numerous French gaming sites, Fornay admitted that the price point could be considered high for a console - however, he was keen to point out that it's peanuts when you consider the PS3 is a high-definition platform, fully supporting the Sony-backed Blu-ray disc format.

Looking over at the well-worn CVG exchange rate abacus, we've calculated that 500 euros roughly equates to around 350 of our Great British pounds. Whether this pound value is an accurate representation of the PS3's final UK retail price when it hits stores this Autumn remains to be seen.
 
Just thought I'd toss in that Sony did say these comments were of "personal opinion and speculation, and we have made no official announcement about the price"



But it should also be noted that they said the same thing when Howard Stringer said the PS3 would be delayed until fall...and it was.
 
Why shouldn't their opinion be off anyway? They're not morons.
 
tha_con
HDCP = Wrong.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/14/sony-wont-downsample-blu-ray-flicks/

Blu-Ray is *capable* of HDCP, but the publisher will be the one to implement it. I doubt many publishers (Disney, Fox, Paramount) will opt to alienate a large amount of their user base using HDCP so soon. The ICT is merely a publisher option, as proven by Sony's choice to EXCLUDE ICT from their Blu-Ray titles.

Why you would even BRING UP AACS is beyond me, since it is merely a method to prevent piracy and nothing more.

So, in conclusion, since you felt the need to insult my intelligence and knowledge on the matter, how about YOU look up the information before you go around providing false information to other forum members.

The PS3 will display your video games in HD resolutions between 480p and 1080i just fine via Component cables, while 1080p will only be achievable through HDMI, because of bandwidth Issues.

As far as movies go, I seriously doubt any publisher is going to immediately implement HDCP right from the start, even though a significant amount of HDTV's are no longer analog (and haven't been since around 1999). Sure, if you do run into a movie that supports HDCP, you will need to snag yourself an HDMI cable (or HDMI > DVI converter) to watch them, but your games, rest assured (if you want to say they won't I'll bookmark this to laugh at you later) will do just fine via component cables.

HDCP is merely a method to protect the integrity of the signal, to assure that it will display at maximum resolution and recieve all proper color data at all times. Nothing more, nothing less, and I doubt movie studios will use it frequently as it has nothing to do with piracy, and would only alienate a portion of their consumer base.
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Pick up the latest issue of Sound & Vision. After that, if you still want to live in denial, that's up to you. And no, I wasn't trying to insult you, so relax. Oh, and I mentioned AACS because that's where ICT comes from. ICT is used to prevent copying analog HD movies onto the net.

EDIT: I now see that both Disney and Fox have changed their minds. They once said they would downrez HD images via analog, but have announced very recently they wont. That's excellent news. At first, it was only Sony and Universal who stated they wouldn't, and the others, Disney, Fox, Paramount, Time-Warner, said they would. Actually, Time-Warner, at this point still a standout, has said they would have "some" ICT BD and HD-DVD movies (new movies) but not on others (older movies). Perhaps they'll jump on the bandwagon.

Good news, yes, but do you think this will be permanent? I don't. I'm certain they'll change their minds, once analog HD movies are found on the net, free to download. Though, downloading one would take a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG time.

PEOPLE, believe me. It's best to have a HDMI input on your HDTV set. While there still might be movie and game makers that wont use what they have available to them to block illegal copying, it could still happen. Be cautious about what HDTV set you plan to buy.

EDIT: Make sure that's HDMI 1.3. This version has a higher transfer speed needed for 1080p at 60fps and faster. Plus, new HD digital audio codecs needed for future HD material and current SACD which includes DSD technology.
 
I agree with SL. Why not have HDMI on your television, anyway?

Just make sure that, if you're buying an HDTV, your set has HDMI. It's that simple. There is little to no price difference when looking at new sets, anyway. Also, by the time november rolls around, HDMI will most likely be the standard interface with component inputs "also included".
 
Omnis
I agree with SL. Why not have HDMI on your television, anyway?

Just make sure that, if you're buying an HDTV, your set has HDMI. It's that simple. There is little to no price difference when looking at new sets, anyway. Also, by the time november rolls around, HDMI will most likely be the standard interface with component inputs "also included".
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And, make sure it's HDMI 1.3 version if you buy a 1080p HDTV set. Not all HDMI inputs on HDTV sets, sets that are capable of displaying at 1080p, will display 1080p. Why? The HDMI input is not rated for 1080p. HDMI 1.3 is rated for 1080p. Other versions of HDMI are not. Just ask Mitsubishi.
 
Thanks for the heads up on the interface protocol Solid. Yet another solid bunch of posts. ;)

I am indeed wanting to get a serious HDTV this summer or fall. When I go full next gen, I want the display to match.
 
I dont recall reading anything about GAMES requiring HDMI to play HD. Thats all that matters. Few will care then, if we can play GAMES at 720p and 1080P. Thats all i care about.

My ps3 hopes, dreams and wishes have little to do with HD movies........

Kenji they are not going to do that.
 
LaBounti
I dont recall reading anything about GAMES requiring HDMI to play HD. Thats all that matters. Few will care then, if we can play GAMES at 720p and 1080P. Thats all i care about.

My ps3 hopes, dreams and wishes have little to do with HD movies........

Kenji they are not going to do that.
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They probably wont, but they can, if they choose to. I doubt it, though.

I'm more concerned about movies, though. It's good to see certain movie studios change their minds about using ICT, though. But, for how long?
 
KENJIusa
Well, **** Sony if they require the customers to have to buy HDTVs which HDMI input, and that damn expensive HDMI cable just to be able to watch their little stupid blueray movies. but what the hell, I'll buy the PS3 just for gaming only, so no big deal.:dopey:

Fornay's comments are not an indication of PS3 pricing - Sony
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=15937
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Thank you, KENJI. 👍 I didn't believe that news for a second.

P.S. Solid is right about making sure your new HDTV has HDMI. My TV doesn't have 1080p to start with(upto 1080i), so it doesn't matter for me, but it is very important on a new TV purchase.
 
Well, I bought my HDTV about 2 months ago, and it's just like yours, can only go up to 1080i and without HDMI input, shoot, I've already been amazed how Tekken 5 and God of war look on my HDTV, so PS3 games in 720P and 1080i will make me cry in joy:scared: so there's no need for 1080p, my heart can't handle that:banghead: :sly:
 

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