New Skyline GTR Proto

[Driftster]

In fact, I don't care for Skylines AT ALL, but if I had the money and a few of my ideal cars to buy not available, I would buy this new GTR.

I'd much rather buy a Datsun 510 and spend the remainder fixing it up then spending it all on the new GTR, much less any Skyline.

You could probably buy about 8 510's and have one for each day of the week + a track racer all runing better than new....And still have money left for spending....

 

[logi74]

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Yeah, but it depends on what you want it for.

Rally car, now that's expensive; still though, I see your point.

The Datsun 510 is one of my all-time favorite cars, that's why.

 

[Driftster]

I don't love the 510 or anything..

but I know style, performance, and potential..

And the 510 is WAAY more apealing than a racoon on wheels..

 

[logi74]

I don't love the 510 or anything..

but I know style, performance, and potential..

And the 510 is WAAY more apealing than a racoon on wheels..

Exactly.

Plus the Datsun probably has many times the lifetime of the GT-R.

The funny thing is, now that the GT-R's over 400 hp, what's left to modify?

 

[Driftster]

Depends on which engine they're using...
If it is a VQ32DE base and not a VQ35 they have quite some room to grow.

Hell even if it's a VQ35 they got SOME growing room if they got the comp right, considering a "bolt on" turbo kit can add 100-150HP to a VQ35..

 

[logi74]

Depends on which engine they're using...
If it is a VQ32DE base and not a VQ35 they have quite some room to grow.

Hell even if it's a VQ35 they got SOME growing room if they got the comp right, considering a "bolt on" turbo kit can add 100-150HP to a VQ35..

But if they screw up the engine as bad as the design, we're sunk.

Still, let's hope it's a VQ32DE. Or a VQ35 at least.

If not, I'll be more pissed at Nissan than over their raccoon design.

 

[niky]

Screwed up design? The worst part of that concept is the roofline, fix that (as Wolfe did) with a 350Z or Infiniti G35 roofline and you're all set.

Considering that the old Skyline R32 and R34 only look good from a retrospective nostalgic standpoint and the R33 looks good merely because it's a simple and uncluttered design, I don't think the GTR's hallmark was ever "good looks".

Give me a thick-walled VQ32DETT anytime... mmmhmmm...

 

[logi74]

Screwed up design? The worst part of that concept is the roofline, fix that (as Wolfe did) with a 350Z or Infiniti G35 roofline and you're all set.

Considering that the old Skyline R32 and R34 only look good from a retrospective nostalgic standpoint and the R33 looks good merely because it's a simple and uncluttered design, I don't think the GTR's hallmark was ever "good looks".

Give me a thick-walled VQ32DETT anytime... mmmhmmm...

Well, I never did say they screwed it up WORSE than the old GT-R's, I just don't like GT-R's anyway; I was also making my personall view known, and I'm sure not everyone has the same opinion. I would change the spoiler, top, C-pillar, headlights, etc..

I was making a general reference...not just the fact that the new one looks like a raccoon.

Also, I stand by the 510. I'll never own a Skyline if I can help it.

 

[niky]

I'd fix the exact same things.

Seeing as I can't find a 510 here in decent condition, and I'm not made of money, looks like I'll be owning neither.

Now a 240Z.... hmmmm....

 

[logi74]

I'd fix the exact same things.

Seeing as I can't find a 510 here in decent condition, and I'm not made of money, looks like I'll be owning neither.

Now a 240Z.... hmmmm....

There's the jock dude with a 300ZX here...

And another with a modified Ford 5.0...

Etc., etc....

I wish, I wish I had a 510...
*clicks heels together*

 

[Solid Lifters]

Better bone-up on your Japanese! Bone up? (He-he!)

http://access.scej-online.jp/counter.cgi/gt4/tms05-gtrproto.wmv

http://access.scej-online.jp/counter.cgi/gt4/tms05-gtrproto2.wmv

 

[Jay]

R34 25GT-t - your beloved 280HP RB25DET

I'm sorry....but she's right..Skyline Minus the GT-R infection...is a pretty lame car.

Hmm a stock RB25DET 280hp? whats the GTR figures then? 280hp.... (although alittle higher than rated) wow


Like I said I have compared my Skyline against other Skylines including GTR's, GTR's are not alot different in performance. At the time I had a CAI, cat exhaust and I could keep up with a Stock R33 GTR no problems at all. Dont get me wrong I want to buy a R33 GTR soon in the future but anyone that understimates (compared to GTR) RB25DET Skylines are very misinformed.

Or the R33's 190HP RB25DET for the GTS-4 and GTS25 models Blistering fast!
and of course the 255 out of the GTST

What the hell? RB25DET 190HP? you wish. and there was no R33 GTSt.

But we can't forget about the bnr34 now this car is amazing in all of it's model trims

R34GT - 140HP RB20DE
R34 25GT-V - 193HP RB25DE
R34 25GT - 193HP RB25DE
R34 25GT-X - 193HP RB25DE
R34 25GT-t - your beloved 280HP RB25DET

bnr34 would mean the car had a RB26DETT. Anything thats not turbo in a Skyline is a waste of time in my opinion since the turbo models are readly available
. I gave a Turbo example I never meantioned the non turbo version except for saying they are sporty.

well technically by what he said..

The cheapest least powerful skyline would be "The same engine family and easy to modify like the GTR"...which i'm sure you know still doesn't mean crap if the stock BHP is 212HP

Now your putting words in my mouth, My example was a R33 RB25DET (which is in the same engine family). Even the stock R32 212hp RB20DET's have alot of potential and are easy to get the power up.

You have a real attitude problem the way you address people you, you never used to be like this. I dont know what happened

I see the way you have debates and frankly I dont wish to debate this any further with you. If you dont like Skylines, thats fine.

 

[FAOLIU05]

Correct me if I'm wrong...

Apparently this is the 2007 Skyline, which isn't much different from this years Skyline in production over in Japan.

The sport edition, or "would-be" GT-R version, is called a 350GT.

This particular Skyline comes in two models, the Sedan and Coupe. They're sold here under the alias G35 from Infiniti.

 

[Dave A]

R34GT - 140HP RB20DE
R34 25GT-V - 193HP RB25DE
R34 25GT - 193HP RB25DE
R34 25GT-X - 193HP RB25DE
R34 25GT-t - your beloved 280HP RB25DET

Forgettingt he first one which is bottom spec, since when woudl 190+Bhp not class a car as sporty. I could understand if it was in a two tonne truck or van, but were talking about a car that is still sporty. Plenty of other 200ish bhp cars are classed as sportscars, just because thy arn't Subaru killers doesn't stop that.

 

[Driftster]

Forgettingt he first one which is bottom spec, since when woudl 190+Bhp not class a car as sporty. I could understand if it was in a two tonne truck or van, but were talking about a car that is still sporty. Plenty of other 200ish bhp cars are classed as sportscars, just because thy arn't Subaru killers doesn't stop that.

I guess it could be classified as Sporty...but lt still weights just as much as an STi( just the 25GT-V(rear wheel) and has 100 less hp.....and the other 2 193HP models are both AWD or atleast had the option for AWD....Making them even heavier.

So sure..maybe the 25GT-V could be considered sporty, but from an outside point of view....The new civic seems like the more powerful car, which says quite a bit.

I don't HATE skylines or anything, but IMO it's just like the C6 z06 vette..People are giving credit where credit isn't due yet....or are just having blind faith.

 

[Dave A]

I see your point about them not being special or anything, but they are still classed as sportscars, I don't dissagree with you completely over Skylines, they do get more credit than they should, I'm just making the point the 190Bhp isn't weedy like most school kids think, a 190bhp car can be driven fast, some people have this idea that anything that can't do over 200mph and hit 60 in under 4.5 is slow, I know you don't but thats where I was coming from.

 

[Carlos]

What the hell? RB25DET 190HP? you wish. and there was no R33 GTSt.
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So what is this then?


This was at the local drift day..

 

[Jay]

That Neocrox is a R33 GTS25t,

I was never refering to non turbo Skyline (under 200hp) and was really refering to RB25DET powered Skyline when comaparing them to GTR. Obviously the other engines arent so comparable to the RB26DETT but RB25DET is close.

 

[a6m5]

Better bone-up on your Japanese! Bone up? (He-he!)

http://access.scej-online.jp/counter.cgi/gt4/tms05-gtrproto.wmv

http://access.scej-online.jp/counter.cgi/gt4/tms05-gtrproto2.wmv

The car looks much better in video. 👍 Many interesting facts about the Proto Concept in the second video, but I couldn't take my eyes off the Chief Designer Hasegawa's face! It's nearly flat(kinda irrelevant).

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

Chief Designer Hasegawa's face! It's nearly flat(kinda irrelevant).

...or relevant if you replace panel in the phrase ; weather-....💡

 

[Driftster]

What the hell? RB25DET 190HP? you wish. and there was no R33 GTSt.

You're right, it was a typo on my part I meant RB25DE....And yes there is a R33 GTS"25"T....I just didn't want to type "25" because i figured your mind, which apparently works like a laser could process the fact that both you an I know it doesn't have a 2.6L engine....So i figured the GTS(25)T part of the name to look stupid when being typed..so I excluded it

Now your putting words in my mouth, My example was a R33 RB25DET (which is in the same engine family). Even the stock R32 212hp RB20DET's have alot of potential and are easy to get the power up.

..Well let's see, considering how nissan codes their engines..RB is the engine family, meaning anything with an RB in front of it..classifies as in the same "family" meaning NO not all engines in the same family have the same kind of potential or NEAR the gains you see in a RB26 or even RB25 for that matter.

You have a real attitude problem the way you address people you, you never used to be like this. I dont know what happened

You noticed this just now?

Wow..I(as a person) have been here for....what...3-1/2 - 4 years? and your just picking up on this?

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

I must admit, it's amazing, although I don't like the shape of the windows.


I haven't got a clue if Toyota's bringing out a new Supra

 

[Jay]

..Well let's see, considering how nissan codes their engines..RB is the engine family, meaning anything with an RB in front of it..classifies as in the same "family" meaning NO not all engines in the same family have the same kind of potential or NEAR the gains you see in a RB26 or even RB25 for that matter.

Although in stock form some of the RB engines (RB20E etc) dont make make large gain from doing simple mods but they are all quite capable. They all have casted spots in the block for turbo oil and coolant lines to be fitted, the single cam engines can have RB26 or RB25 DOHC heads bolted on with little modifications, they are often stroked and there is tons of aftermarket parts for them. Many people over here actually choose to make a RB30DET hybrid instead building a RB26DETT(A mix of parts from single cam RB30E and RB25DET or 26). RB30E's are very common here so RB30DET hybrids are often made. The modification difference of RB26 and RB25 is marginal (most of the small advantages like injector, interccoler, fuel pump size of RB26 needs to be replaced anyway when looking for some decent high power), in fact the RB30DET hybrid is even better.

You noticed this just now?

Wow..I(as a person) have been here for....what...3-1/2 - 4 years? and your just picking up on this?

No, Ive noticed this for quite some time but this is the first time you directed your unnecessary attitude at me, I never said I just noticed it now. Like I said you never used to be like this but you changed.