NFS Shift 2 Unleashed - Details
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I read boxox post after posting this, so..... . I'm not going to remove this list though.
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- Bonn
- GTAce
Of course, but it sounds like they won't give controller users the full physics engine.
GT5 and even PC sims only have a slight (often adjustable) steering assist, all the other assists can be switched off. That quote above sounds like it will play completely different.
I really don't like that idea.
GT5 and even PC sims only have a slight (often adjustable) steering assist, all the other assists can be switched off. That quote above sounds like it will play completely different.
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- xXGalmOneXx
- xXGalm OneXx
I second it to 100% !!! 👍
Nuck81
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Great Post!!
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- GTP_paltik
"Put GT5's physics in Shift 1, and you had a BRILLIANT game."
That tells me that 'sim' aspects is a big part of a fun game!
I had shift 1, sold it in a couple of days. No matter what 'fun' aspects you put in a game if the 'sim' aspects are not there then it's no good.
"I just don't get how the 'sim' aspects of handling have ANYTHING to do with whether a game is fun or not. "
So this is not quite true, it's all relative to the player.
That tells me that 'sim' aspects is a big part of a fun game!
I had shift 1, sold it in a couple of days. No matter what 'fun' aspects you put in a game if the 'sim' aspects are not there then it's no good.
"I just don't get how the 'sim' aspects of handling have ANYTHING to do with whether a game is fun or not. "
So this is not quite true, it's all relative to the player.
I can't help but feel there is a certain degree of projection and parsing going on with that statement 
I think he's more talking about the sterile feel of "sims" - where there is no possible objective to racing other than finishing first, no atmosphere of a track at race day, no personality for your driver, no personality for your opponents. The invisible man racing against cars (as opposed to drivers) to unlock paintschemes and not much else. You might pick up on the fact that he goes right on to say
So what he's saying is, they do that, but they also bother to simulate and flesh out the other drivers and atmosphere of the race, by presentation, visual cues, tutorials, etc, which is of no real interest to some developers who are content to make a game that simulates cars driving on whatever setup and nothing else. But the game is useless if you can't complete tutorials and can't do close aggressive racing with your opponents on an ordinary gamepad or if there is other stuff you simply can't do if you don't have a wheel.
I think he's more talking about the sterile feel of "sims" - where there is no possible objective to racing other than finishing first, no atmosphere of a track at race day, no personality for your driver, no personality for your opponents. The invisible man racing against cars (as opposed to drivers) to unlock paintschemes and not much else. You might pick up on the fact that he goes right on to say
So what he's saying is, they do that, but they also bother to simulate and flesh out the other drivers and atmosphere of the race, by presentation, visual cues, tutorials, etc, which is of no real interest to some developers who are content to make a game that simulates cars driving on whatever setup and nothing else. But the game is useless if you can't complete tutorials and can't do close aggressive racing with your opponents on an ordinary gamepad or if there is other stuff you simply can't do if you don't have a wheel.
Destinkeys
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- Destinkeys
Not quite sure you got me there. I personally feel that GT5 is NOT a 'fun' game at all. Whereas, for all its flaws, I DID for Shift. The handling alone was not sufficient to turn GT5 into a fun game. And the handling in Shift was not enough to turn it into a NOT fun game.
It's that independence of fun and physics I was trying to point out.
GT5 is a DRIVING game. Shift is a RACING game. Driving, IMO, isn't fun. Racing IS!
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- BlackWhiteWolf; GTP_DeadlyWolf
I simply want to add, no fun is when you grind for a whole week for 10,000,000 credits to buy the F10 only to find that it almost is useless as you can't use in it A Spec at all...
I committed this very stupid mistake when I first had my hands on the game...
Destinkeys
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- Destinkeys
Or is it turning into another 'complaining about complaining' thread?
No, it's turning into a GT5 COMPARISON thread... There's quite a bit of Shift 'complaining' (if you want to take ANY negative comparison as a complaint - most just call it 'description'), too. We are discussing games. They can be better. But they won't if we don't even TALK about it.
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- Headsoup Bob
On a positive note for Shift 2, and interview on 1up states "you can share replays and photos"
http://www.1up.com/previews/shift-2-unleashed-hardcore-sim-social
http://www.1up.com/previews/shift-2-unleashed-hardcore-sim-social
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- DomSupra
- Dom Supra
I hope I can do this again with real 900 degree support on SHIFT 2
I have read a couple of comments regarding the career mode in NFS Shift 1. Someone at RSC made the following comment:
As someone who is currently fairly early into Shift's career mode, I would like to know how accurate this statement is? Is the AI difficulty really as unpredictable as people are saying? Can I go from winning a race easily to struggling to keep up with them even if I perform well on the track?
Also, what's this about car upgrades being irrelevant? Is this true? Does upgrading your car improve the performance or are these people correct when they say it's a waste of time buying upgrades for your car?
Please let me know guys, as this will determine whether or not I will continue playing the single player career mode.
As someone who is currently fairly early into Shift's career mode, I would like to know how accurate this statement is? Is the AI difficulty really as unpredictable as people are saying? Can I go from winning a race easily to struggling to keep up with them even if I perform well on the track?
Also, what's this about car upgrades being irrelevant? Is this true? Does upgrading your car improve the performance or are these people correct when they say it's a waste of time buying upgrades for your car?
Please let me know guys, as this will determine whether or not I will continue playing the single player career mode.
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- Neomone
Personally, I never found it to be that bad. It's certainly not a case of win one race, lose the next.
Upgrades are not irrelevant, they improve your car substantially. However, you're usually better off buying the next class of car up than seriously upgrading your crap car too much. Experiment and find out what works for you. You don't lose money selling cars or upgrades, you get the same money back as you spent on them so there's no loss to trying things out.
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- Marin County
In addition to the 'career' trailer with mad mike whiddet, I've also noticed a NFS Shift logo on his drift car this year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlrK1PmjmRQ
*prays for 4 rotor music in shift*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlrK1PmjmRQ
*prays for 4 rotor music in shift*
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Or is it turning into another 'complaining about complaining' thread?
I'd rather not have either.
A bit too early to be comparing... but I do look forward to the eventual actual comparison thread, because SHIFT2 is on my "buy" list, along with Hot Pursuit and TDU2.
I thought your original post was okay (actually agree with it), but this ought not to turn into a comparisons thread, as people will be coming in here looking for SHIFT2 news.
HKS racer
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About fun or not I think it's all about our own personal point of view of what the "ultimate racing game" have to be, GT5 it's not perfect but I'm having lot of fun while racing, I enjoy the way cars react to my inputs, giving me the sense of control and precision I've never tried in Shift 1. Anyway looking forward to demo Shift 2 because it looks promising.
Talking about news, vintage japanese wheel and engine swaps? Nice features but I think they need to work more on balancing performances of the cars. Expecially in the online events, I remember I was running almost 10 and 14 class because in 20 class was all about Works Lambo vs. Pagani Zonda R. Also the chance to allow car setup ON/OFF in pre race options of a lobby would be really handy because not everyone have the time to find the best setup for a particular track/car. This is a feature I would like to have in GT5 too. People who come back a bit tired from work doesn't always want to run 30 laps just for a single online race setup.
Another concern is about the frame rate, 30fps? Ok but will they mean 30 rock solid fps? I remember ps3 version slowing down a bit in some tracks with a particular camera.. and the sound too, kind of "slicing" maybe a bug.. Hope they completely solved with Shift 2.
Talking about news, vintage japanese wheel and engine swaps? Nice features but I think they need to work more on balancing performances of the cars. Expecially in the online events, I remember I was running almost 10 and 14 class because in 20 class was all about Works Lambo vs. Pagani Zonda R. Also the chance to allow car setup ON/OFF in pre race options of a lobby would be really handy because not everyone have the time to find the best setup for a particular track/car. This is a feature I would like to have in GT5 too. People who come back a bit tired from work doesn't always want to run 30 laps just for a single online race setup.
Another concern is about the frame rate, 30fps? Ok but will they mean 30 rock solid fps? I remember ps3 version slowing down a bit in some tracks with a particular camera.. and the sound too, kind of "slicing" maybe a bug.. Hope they completely solved with Shift 2.
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- porkchop_7
Can you really not have that though? The developers themselves are comparing Shift 2 to GT5! I've never seen developers so ballsy before... they're really calling GT5 out on a lot of stuff, and they're promising to improve it... so naturally people here will draw comparisons too, which is a good thing!
People who whine about the comparisons are much more annoying, there's no reason to be so protective of Gran Turismo 5, let alone a video game. If Shift 2 can do what GT5 can do, and improve on GT5's weaker areas, that doesn't hurt anybody. I like reading the comparisons here, it makes me that much more excited for this game. 👍
Destinkeys
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WHICH upgrades you apply in Shift makes a big difference in whether the AI ramp up too, or not. On the whole, start adding power and the AI ramps up too. But many suspension tweaks don't get a reply, and can help you gain an edge.
And yes, I feel that, the developers of Shift 2 having kicked the door down when it comes to making comparisons, you can hardly blame the rest of us for following..!
And yes, I feel that, the developers of Shift 2 having kicked the door down when it comes to making comparisons, you can hardly blame the rest of us for following..!
Driving is fun! Racing is EXCITING! Hehe!
I think there are a couple of interviews (I think with both Jesse and Marcus) where they've said clearly and directly that they were pretty puzzled (you might read - extremely angry
) at being dumped into the "arcade" racers category in comparison to console sims like GT and Forza. It's kind of hard not to notice the reaction to that in all the promotional stuff so far.- 926
- machschnel
1. Can you direct me to the "game comparisons" subforum?
2. By comparing SHIFT2 news (and eventually facts) with what we know about GT5 on a forum populated by a large amount of GT5 owners, people looking for SHIFT2 news will find the going a lot easier. GT5 acts as a known quantity, to which SHIFT2 can be compared.
3. Where in the AUP does it outlaw comparisons?
