NFS shift or GT5 (driving experience)
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- NOS_Waster or GTP_NOS_Waster
- NOS Waster
ANY car can spin if you don't apply the right type of driving to correct undesirable behavior.
FWD: Brake in a straight line and accelerate all of the way through a corner. You may have to slow down more, but this allows for easier control.
FR: If you are going the max speed your tires will allow in a corner, DO NOT LET OFF! TTO (trailing throttle oversteer) will spin you like a top if you do. If you try to speed up in a corner when at the max grip for the tires, you WILL understeer. Brake however you want and keep the back end in line through the corner and you'll be fine.
RR: These cars drive exactly like a FWD through a corner. On throttle: Understeer. Off throttle: Oversteer. Try to find a good balance and don't let TTO kill you.
4WD: They are fairly unpredictable. One second they could understeer. The next, they can oversteer. Try and learn the car's behavior.
I played the GT5 Demo, GT5 Prologue and shift.
My Shift is on xbox, but i found great settings for controller.
I tried GT5D and GT5P on the DS3 so it wouldn't be a wheel versus controller thing. I also prefer the 360 controller a tad for racing games.
I found that GT5D/P's cars reacted very predictably. The dynamic handling was outstanding. The physics allow for TTO and FR understeer under acceleration.
Shift's physics (set to pro with all aids off) are just TOO EASY. I can NOT get the car to oversteer when letting off the throttle AT ALL. I also can not get a FR car to understeer when flying through a corner. They just don't have dynamic car behavior down in Shift. While the tires in races seem to be okay, they are a bit too grippy. If i can take a hairpin turn in a Murcielago at 60MPH IRL, then sign me up. Until then, the shift tires have too much grip. Weight transfer is great. i can see the car shifting along its suspension under forward accel, lateral accel, and decel (also known as Accel, Turning, Braking/Decel).
There is just something that doesn't add up in Shift. If eA and the game developer rework the physics a tad in NFS Shift 2, then i believe it will be pretty nice. until then, ill stick to GT5
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You are asking a pretty biased crowd here, but I am gonna go with GT5P... I like how shift stylizes speed, blur and tunnel vision, but ultimately the feeling with the wheel I like better with GT5P.
Now I use a G27 but I doubt it would be much different if I had a g25
Now I use a G27 but I doubt it would be much different if I had a g25
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- sher_da_putt
Trust me when I say this, SHIFT is crap.
Forza 3 and GT5 blow it out the water.
Forza 3 and GT5 blow it out the water.
- 3,239
- New York
- thepatriots
You have not played NFS Shift until you have played it on the PC with the overhaul mod. It is MILES better than stock. Its basically GTR Evo physics with NFSS graphics (minus the stupid blur and crazy bloom effects). For me, right now, it is the best racing experience. The stock game is terrible and GT5p and I assuming GT5 are miles ahead but the modded PC version is nothing to scoff at.
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- NY
- SavageEvil
Shift is fun in short bursts, but all that bouncing around on a seemingly smooth course for no apparent reason is quite annoying. Long list of weird and just plain confusing things in that game, Perfect Launches...still doesn't do squat other cars will still accelerate from start faster than you, random bs the guy lined up next to you out accelerates you even though you are driving identical cars and had a perfect launch. 
The interior car view was a blast, at first. Then after a while it settled in, realistically when you first use a high powered car, it will come off as jittery and crazy, but once you get used to it, that stuff is barely noticeable and is not as pronounced or heavily scripted as it is in Shift. Unless you are driving something with obscene Hp and really stiff suspension setups = bad braking on bumpy surfaces = trip to gravel trap.
GT5P car view is very nice to look at and most things are a bit muted and the wind noise is cranked up, pretty annoying I must say. While there aren't any purpose built race cars in GT5P, the cars with the stiffest suspension setups don't vibrate as wildly at speed. A subdued shaking in the faster and more violently accelerating cars would be welcomed as well as some sort of impact blur, disorientation.
I'd go with GT5P driving as it's not as wild and out of control, but it does punish you heavily for less than smooth inputs, Ford GT anyone(any MR car for that matter).
side note, anyone know if when going at high speed on a less than ideally smooth surface, does the steering tend to twitch and jerk to either left or right? Played GT4 and on la Sarthe in a R92, omg that straight away will work your arms out big time.
The interior car view was a blast, at first. Then after a while it settled in, realistically when you first use a high powered car, it will come off as jittery and crazy, but once you get used to it, that stuff is barely noticeable and is not as pronounced or heavily scripted as it is in Shift. Unless you are driving something with obscene Hp and really stiff suspension setups = bad braking on bumpy surfaces = trip to gravel trap.
GT5P car view is very nice to look at and most things are a bit muted and the wind noise is cranked up, pretty annoying I must say. While there aren't any purpose built race cars in GT5P, the cars with the stiffest suspension setups don't vibrate as wildly at speed. A subdued shaking in the faster and more violently accelerating cars would be welcomed as well as some sort of impact blur, disorientation.
I'd go with GT5P driving as it's not as wild and out of control, but it does punish you heavily for less than smooth inputs, Ford GT anyone(any MR car for that matter).
side note, anyone know if when going at high speed on a less than ideally smooth surface, does the steering tend to twitch and jerk to either left or right? Played GT4 and on la Sarthe in a R92, omg that straight away will work your arms out big time.
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- NOS_Waster or GTP_NOS_Waster
- NOS Waster
Ya it did that to me on GT4.
It only starts doing it when i start going fairly fast, though.
I think it doesn't twitch enough at low speed and too much at high speed.
If anyone wants, i can take a video of how the FFB in iRacing is and how it twitches. It seems to be a very nice balance of twitch and jerk.
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Shift is fun but it isn't a simulator by any means.
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- Darty08
In NFS SHIFT you dont steer the wheels , you steer the car which makes it floaty and terrible rubbish compared to driving a real car , you cant compare GT5 to anything accept real driving
- 389
I always liked playing the need for speed games, until shift.
SHIfT ... remove the lower-case letter and that's what i think of it.
if you approach ANY nfs game thinking it's a sim, you'll be very disappointed. pick it up and play it like the arcadey racer it is, and you'll have a blast.
like others have mentioned, my biggest problem with shift was all the bouncing the car would do around the tracks. it gave me a headache and annoyed me beyond all hell.
it's like some cheesey/cheap hydraulic job on a car.
gt5-p feels so damn refined in comparison to shift. difference is night and day for me.
SHIfT ... remove the lower-case letter and that's what i think of it.
if you approach ANY nfs game thinking it's a sim, you'll be very disappointed. pick it up and play it like the arcadey racer it is, and you'll have a blast.
like others have mentioned, my biggest problem with shift was all the bouncing the car would do around the tracks. it gave me a headache and annoyed me beyond all hell.
it's like some cheesey/cheap hydraulic job on a car.
gt5-p feels so damn refined in comparison to shift. difference is night and day for me.
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- xNEVER-ONEx
Why was it ever made?
How was this ever made? I thought the mods prevented gibberish from getting posted.
- 6,318
- West Virginia
- HBR-Roadhog
- HBR Roadhog
I played Shift for maybe an hour before I tossed it.
As far as Sims go the best [only] one NFS has done is Porsche Unleased hands down.
As far as Sims go the best [only] one NFS has done is Porsche Unleased hands down.
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- Labounti
I wont trust you because I have lots of fun with shift. It also plays well with the G27.
Right just nail the gas through the corners and drift your way to the finish lineiAMgt5
. Something tells me you never really played the game or you were on some type of hallucinogen when you allegedly played it.Play it today and see how crappy it is compared to a modern racer like NFS Shift.
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I wont trust you because I have lots of fun with shift. It also plays well with the G27.
Right just nail the gas through the corners and drift your way to the finish line
Play it today and see how crappy it is compared to a modern racer like NFS Shift.
no need for you to be rude. did you read my post or you just came on to spout hate? i said i always liked the NFS series until shift, which is utter crap. and because of the crap you were talking, it must mean you're also crap. there? you like being spoken to rudely as well?
i gave shift a good few hours to see if i was just missing something. it didn't feel arcadey as the previous ones, and it DID NOT feel like the sim it was trying to be so badly. it was just a crap game that was probably put out to appease gamers with crap taste or little kids. how about that one? am i down to your level yet?
well, i'm done hating. your turn.
EDIT: i was thinking about completely removing this post, but i already said it, so it holds. But to clarify, the reason I came across so rudely is because the poster is implying i'm either a liar or a druggie. both are uncalled for.
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- simtibb
NFS Shift is a COMPLETE joke. It feels ridiculous and is purely an arcade game. It offers no real handling characteristics and comparing it to GT5 is like comparing a piece of bread to a bottle of wine.
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- West Virginia
- HBR-Roadhog
- HBR Roadhog
Actually I played it just last week on my PC with my new DFGT wheel. Graphics are not so good by todays standards and the game does not like to run under xp but I love the feel of the cars. Much more real that any other NFS game and I have played them all.
If EA would update Porsche Unleased I would be first in line to buy a copy.
Same for Road Rash, How cool could that be in an online multiplayer setting
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- Labounti
Should I quote your entire over exaggerated post? I did not say anything rude. I meant it jokingly. Either you are too sensitive or you are having a bad day. That WAS me being nice, you did however have a ridiculous statement about NFS Shift and if you actually played it you would know you cant "just play it like any arcade racer". Maybe you were trying to be funny. The handling is exactly what the developer was aiming for. It works too except with a controller it just drives bad, and FWD is not done well. The joy is the pulse pounding racing and because of the unforgiving(just not common in arcade racers) handling it makes for very intense races. I wasn't impressed at first but it grew on me and I understand what the developer was trying to achieve.
@HBR-Roadhog: PU was good for its time. And you played Shift for an hour? I know I'm wasting my time, this is the GT5 forum. its excepted.
On topic GT5 isnt even out
But Shift's Ebisu Circuit is the best short track I've seen in a video game.. With a wheel its just fantastic to use low end cars on it.
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well if you were trying to be funny, in all honesty, your msg did not come across as such. it came across like i said in my edit, that you were implying i was either a liar or a druggie. regardless, what's said is said, and i suppose i should apologize, but that's kinda pointless. i will take back calling you crap though, which was admittedly rude
about shift: i did give it enough time to try to have it grow on me. that was from my experience with prostreet, which i didn't care for at first, but then started liking a lot. however, with shift, it never happened. and if achievements (xbox360) are anything to go by in terms of how long i tried to like it, i had i think close to 500gs in that game. all to no avail in making me like the game. the bouncing/jerking around was not realistic nor fun. i've been in some fast cars and never had a single one bounce around when driving on a flat road. nor did any have such dramatized handling such as jerking one way or the other with the slightest input. i tried it both with the xbox 360 wheel (and granted it's not a Logi g25/27, but you get my idea) and the controller. the wheel was definitely more "enjoyable" but both felt detached or overly responsive.
and as i clarified in my response to you, and perhaps as was misconstrued by you in my first post, i essentially dubbed shift as trying so hard to be a sim. previous (here's where what i said was ambiguous) NFS titles were pretty much arcadey (pick up n go).
so shift's biggest failing, IMO, was that it wasn't arcadey nor a sim.
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- HBR-Roadhog
- HBR Roadhog
Yes I played it for about an hour. Did not like it. I especially did not like the fact that it encourages you to drive aggresively. While NFS games are sometimes fun they are not very realistic with the exception of Porsche. Shift is the worst one to date IMO.
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I am so glade I found this thread! I can feel normal because shift is crap you all explained it right nothing feels right about that game and I feel like an idiot for trading in prolouge but can't pull myself to get it again wit gt5 right around the corner. I have shift on the pc with a full 5.1 surround sound setup that thumps and being displayed on a 55" led tv and being controlled by a g27 attached to a playseat. The sounds blow prolouge out the water and out of all my racing games sounds the best. The graphics with 16x af and 4x aa is awesome but the car models don't compair to prolouge and finally gt5p has hands down the best clutch support out of any game I own and I have gtr2, race 07, race on, dirt 2, f1 2010, shift, and rfactor (can't find the disc so can't say for sure but demo clutch sucked).
and being displayed on a 55" led tv and being controlled by a g27 attached to a playseat. The sounds blow prolouge out the water and out of all my racing games sounds the best. The graphics with 16x af and 4x aa is awesome but the car models don't compair to prolouge and finally gt5p has hands down the best clutch support out of any game I own and I have gtr2, race 07, race on, dirt 2, f1 2010, shift, and rfactor (can't find the disc so can't say for sure but demo clutch sucked).
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- TPC_Raccooon23
- CRaccoon23
From my experience, Gran Turismo 5 Prolouge blows Shift out of the water in terms of physics. But I actually thought Shift was a good game, and I don't regret getting it. The only thing that got annoying sometimes was the drifty cars.
