But that was the special part about it, it practically defied the fact that it weighed that much and still cornered well. Are you guys literally telling me you're okay having the GT-R slower like this?
I'm afraid it doesn't work like that i.e. vertical force (weight) vs lateral grip...
Well there goes that attempt failed. But you seriously can't just accept a 1980's ferrari car beating a GT-R. That really doesn't make sense to me. I would understand if it was something like a 458 but it was nothing of the sort.
I guess this is pretty close to reality too! Ferrari FXX, meet the Honda FITT..:
No, that's not me. I'm not British.I am so glad this guy (you?) put his head in the video… much better like that.
Well there goes that attempt failed. But you seriously can't just accept a 1980's ferrari car beating a GT-R. That really doesn't make sense to me. I would understand if it was something like a 458 but it was nothing of the sort.
That said the extra weight also means there is more grip from the tyres as they are pressed into the road better. But if you get it wrong you are right 1800kg of momentum means its very hard to change direction
He was using the 07 gtr not the 2012.OK the OP is actually sorta right. I did the testing, and I feel I'm a fast enough driver to make this point:
test setup:
G27
Apricot Hill
Online private room
Tires : Sports Hards
grip set to real
ABS was on at 1, everything else was off (SRF, TC, etc)
Practice mode:
Note, I messed up sector one on my fastest lap in every car but the C7, thats why my "theoretical best time" is so much better.
GTR 2013 Black Edition : best real lap in 5 laps : 1:27.65X
GTR 2013 Black Edition : adding up all my best sectors lap from 6 laps (theoretical best time) : 1:27.3 (I bet I could shave a tenth off that).
GTR 2013 Black Edition : PP : 546
It was very easy to get a 27.7~ in the GTR, but got harder as I tried to lower the time. Bad brakes in this car, so that can't be right.
GT0 '82: best real lap in 5 laps : 1:27.72X
GT0 '82: theoretical best time : 1:27.2XX (still had time left, very hard car to drive)
GT0 '82: PP : 520
Very fast in a straight line VERY good brakes, not right for a car made in the 80s. Its mid-corner manner was messy but way to much front grip. I know back in 1982 a Sports Hard tire would be like a slick tire (SH tires can grip past 1G) but that won't make it out run a GTR. And at 520PP
So is the GTR slow? We know the GTO is way too fast for it's PP and well, everything.
Well I tested the C7 as a control/base.
C7 : best real lap in 5 laps : 1:28.4XX
C7 : theoretical best time : 1:27.9XX (still had time left, very hard car to drive)
C7 : PP : 538
The C7 was easier to drive than the GTR but much slower. It's Only 8PP down but I don't see it coming close to the GTR. So yes, the GTR is still fast.
So for the TL,DR people
GTR, about right, brakes aren't very good for a car that in IRL has great brakes. Also felt a "little" low on grip. Not much, just a little. It's been taken back to the real world from GT5.
GTO, WAY TO FAST!
C7, Feels right for the PP.
Shoot, I messed that up.He was using the 07 gtr not the 2012.
That's flawed logic and neglects an important fact, yes tyres give more grip with more downward force applied but then you've forgotten to consider that the same mass pushing down on the tyres is also trying to throw the car sideways out of the corner which is far more detrimental than the traction benefit you get from having more weight over the tyres.
That's the whole reason downforce works as well as it does, you get the benefits of forcing the tyre into the ground without the negatives of that same force trying to throw the car to the outside of the corner.
Question for you: Have you actually driven an real GT-R around a track at speed? Because I have, and I've never had an issue. In fact, I thought it was pretty spot on.As a fanboy of the Nissan GT-R, I don't want to sound like I'm a whiner but I think there's something really wrong with the car's handling in GT6. I know I have heard many people on GT5 said that this car was too dominant in the stock car/shuffle world, or that they think that the Nissan & PD partnership stirred up some conspiracy to make their flagship supercar unrealistically fast. But to be seriously honest, I think they nerfed the handling in the R35 GT-R a bit too much. I bought all the GT-Rs assuming that my favorite supercar was still going to be a cornering dream like in the previous game, but was utterly shocked when I used it online and got outpaced by an '84 Ferrari GTO on Apricot Hill (there was no tuning allowed). To make long story short the GT-R's strongest points have always been its ease of use and amazing cornering speeds, but with the way it is now I don't think the GT-R will be all that good in GT6 and that's depressing to admit coming from someone who praises this car dearly.
Question for you: Have you actually driven an real GT-R around a track at speed? Because I have, and I've never had an issue. In fact, I thought it was pretty spot on.
Why are there a bunch of threads now with people complaining about individual cars?
GT5 wasn't bad, but with GT6's new physics I feel it's just that much closer.So which is more realistic, GT6 or GT5?
As a fanboy of the Nissan GT-R, I don't want to sound like I'm a whiner but I think there's something really wrong with the car's handling in GT6. I know I have heard many people on GT5 said that this car was too dominant in the stock car/shuffle world, or that they think that the Nissan & PD partnership stirred up some conspiracy to make their flagship supercar unrealistically fast. But to be seriously honest, I think they nerfed the handling in the R35 GT-R a bit too much. I bought all the GT-Rs assuming that my favorite supercar was still going to be a cornering dream like in the previous game, but was utterly shocked when I used it online and got outpaced by an '84 Ferrari GTO on Apricot Hill (there was no tuning allowed). To make long story short the GT-R's strongest points have always been its ease of use and amazing cornering speeds, but with the way it is now I don't think the GT-R will be all that good in GT6 and that's depressing to admit coming from someone who praises this car dearly.
meanwhile sivakis, the poster above you who claims to have driven a r35 in real life seems to think otherwise. So whose more credible, someone pulling vids off the internet, or the guy whose actually driven the car in real life? HM. Also we have no info on how the tires in that vid translate to a video game.
OP is correct. The R35 in GT6 does seem to handle a lot worse than what is observed in real life by other drivers.
I tried the R35 stock and was surprised - I was expecting a lot more grip.
Here's a fantastic video on how the R35 compared to the likes of the Gallardo, 911 Turbo and others!
Lost to a GTO? Driving a GTR? Online?
I think your car was missing a stage 3 driver swap, really need those to stay competitive.
I'm the same as you. Used the GTr Spec V and Black edition in gt5 and loved it. Even took it on Rally stages.
What editions have you tried in GT6?
The car is very capable in real life. The new 2013 GTR Nismo is the 3rd fastest car to lap nurburg. Smoked competition 10 times its category. So making the GTR fast is not about fanboism its about reflecting the cars real world performance
I think the problem is the strong slipstream, too strong in gt6.Well there goes that attempt failed. But you seriously can't just accept a 1980's ferrari car beating a GT-R. That really doesn't make sense to me. I would understand if it was something like a 458 but it was nothing of the sort.
Fourth fastest actually, and thats obviously a modified car not the stock. Still awesome... I loved it in GT5 ... still havent tried in GT6
http://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-times/lap-times-top-100/
Lol that you don't think the weight of the car presses down onto the tyre increases "lateral grip".
The extra weight may reduce your cornering ability but it certainly will increase the amount of grip an individual tyre can provide.