No Endurance races in GT4

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Hmm never though of it that way...maybe they do need there 70 laps to make up for there mistakes :lol:
 
Originally posted by HsV_CoUpE
And i say you are an avsolute moron. If GT was made this way, people would not buy it and there is no doubt about it, people wouldnt buy a game where to do a race it takes you 2 hours? Simulation mode doesn't just simulate races. It simulates you buying your first car for a limited amount of money and going up through the ranks becoming one of the best racers. If you have enough time to play a game where all races expect for the first 10 are 70+ laps, you defently need to get out more. If you really feel the need to race 100 laps per race, maybe you should be limited to arcade mode and you can set your amount of laps.

If you don't have the time don't play the game? That is one of the most stupid things ive ever heard. You might aswell say if you dont have the time, just **** your pants instead of using a toilet.:rolleyes:
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I 100% agree with you, the enduro's are good but only as extra races, they have their place as do the 2,3,5 and 10 lap races and if every race took 1 to 2 hours I doubt people in general would still be playing it within 2-3 months, GT3 has the formula right IMO.
 
Yes, GT3 has a great formula...i just don't see where the hell people are pulling theese ideas about the hole game having 100 lap races per every race...stupidity to the max...i'll tell you now you 'enduro only' people , do not ever make your own racing game like this, you will simply lose money.
 
Agreed, agreed, agreed. I tried telling Canola Oil1 (or whatever;) )
twice but he wouldn't listen. And you are so right about him not needing to be a game designer. 👍
 
I think the best idea (although I doubt it will be implemented) would be for a similar option as GT2 in the "arcade" mode.

If the player could choose the number of laps for any arcade race (from 1 to 99), or have say: easy, normal, hard, professional (and an optional custom 1-99 lap mode - with this not affecting 100% game completion stats), then this would keep all happy.

Then those that spend half their life racing would be happy, right down to those who only have an hour or so a week.

The best games should cater for all.

Other than that, with loads more tracks, I expect GT4 will be bigger than GT3 (yep I know it has more cars and tracks, but I mean it may have even more races than the huge 300 odd in GT3).

Have you considered that that 100% target may take 3 or 4 times as long in GT4 for all we know, so even those who only want quick races may take awhile to work through it;)

Who'se got back into GT3 to keep them busy........ I sure have, because the way things are looking, I really believe it'll be another 345 days before we see this..... in other words Christmas. I'm gonna look at a Christmas release (be a pessimist then barring a slip to 2005, I'll be kept happy.....lol)
 
Having sort of spot race within the sim mode where you can choose the number of laps and the number of laps and the highest licence you hold decide the prize Cr, that way people who dont have much time and people who do and love longer races can have it how they want and win some Cr at the end of it. I would have though racing 50 laps in arcade mode to win nothing a bit pointless when you can do an enduro or series in sim mode and win a car and some Cr. Just an idea, i would like them to have an endurance version of every track in GT4, that would be 100 endurance races including reverse versions, I don't have the time to do alot of enduro's but I still enjoy them I just couldn't do the game if thats ALL it was. I've read a mag recentley that claims to have plaid an early build of GT4 and they said that the more they play it the more GT3 seemed like the warm up lap in an F1 race or something of that sort, they said it was insanely big.
 
I wouldn't say that all races should be enduros. I just find 3 lap races utterly retarded. What the hell does 3 laps prove? If you are so busy that you can't race a 10 lap race, then you probably don't have time for video games period.

Also, I think the main reason enduros get boring in GT3 is because of piss-poor AI. If that were fixed, I doubt anybody would complain about 2 hour races.
 
Explain to me, how does the amount of laps affect the skill needed???? All it proves is that you have ALOT of time to spare. I on the other hand like fast exciting races and lots of them, not 2 hour sat on your arse races for $1000 so you can buy muffler. I like to win loadsa cash, and buy loadsa bits! Even if the AI was realistic it would still suck, and the AI isn't going to be fixed. It's crap on GTP, it will be crap on GT4, wish people would stop pretending that GT4 is gonna be SOOOOO different to GTP!

If ppl wanna race long laps, have an option when you start the game "normal people mode" and "loner 2 hour race mode". There.


Hmmm I don't have time for 10 lap races, NO VIDEO GAMES FOR ME!!! EVER!!!! So says majin! Majin, I think an enduro race is slightly more then 10 laps...
 
HAD A GREAT IDEA!!

OK, if we are gonna have enduro races, why not also make it so you have to do EVERY license 40 times. YEAH!!!! And if you fail it on the 39th time, you have to start all over!

WHAT FUN!!!
 
pretty sure there will be enduro's and they should be included as extras like GT3.
though honestly I do get really tired after racing after 30 laps because I'm practictly racing against myself where I'm overlapping the AI's. I know some would say use **** cars, but I want to win as well. So I think there should be an option to save the game at a pit stop. I highly doubt this will be an option though. ahh...well...

but without enduro's GT4 can't be GT.
 
Originally posted by Majin SSJ Eric
I wouldn't say that all races should be enduros. I just find 3 lap races utterly retarded. What the hell does 3 laps prove? If you are so busy that you can't race a 10 lap race, then you probably don't have time for video games period.

Also, I think the main reason enduros get boring in GT3 is because of piss-poor AI. If that were fixed, I doubt anybody would complain about 2 hour races.
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What exactly does 100 laps prove? You can sit still for 2 hours? What do you want a ****ing medal because you can sit there for a enduro where you thrash the AI by a lap or more? Oh that makes you such a better race then me. :rolleyes:
 
Sunday, Sunday, Sunday! See GTPlanet members fight online about eundurance racing!

No, I'm just playing around with you guys and gals.

A different kind of idea I had is that if you get an International Racing license, you can race a shorter enduruance. All because you don't have a GT-One (Toyota) in your garage doesn't mean you can't still endurance race. I say if you get your first international license, you can run a short endurance, and then step up to the bidtime enduros. So imagine maybe 20 or 25 laps at Fuji, then you can step up to New York, Nurburgring, Suzuka (I want to say Sebring for some reason) for the bigger races.

Now why did I bring this up? If you can recall GT classic, you remember that you had to get an International-Grade A (IA) license to race the three endurances. Those were the Grand Valley 300k and the Special Stage Route 11 All-Night endurance (normal and reverse (no racing models for reverse)). Then in GT2, you could race with an IB license with somewhat low-power cars. GT3, you could race notihng but stock Mazda Miatas (and it was slow as crap, never raced/completed it). So why not short GT4 races, then you move up to the bigger events? Why not do what you do in the Beginner to Professional races in the Endurances category? For that matter, you'd might as well low-speed rally on up to the bigtime Subarus, Fords, and Peugeots.

This was just an idea. So what do you think?
 
This would be a very negative step; it would also be evidence of the game being 'dumbed-down' for the sake of mass appeal.

Fortunately, I haven't seen this spoken of before, so there's a good chance that this is all heresay.

People don't like the enduros? Tough -- maybe they don't deserve the 'glory' of completing the game, then. When's the last time Jeff Gordon said he was only going to run 3 laps of the Daytona 500 simply because he couldn't be arsed to do that in pursuit of the championship?
 
but hondakid, thats real life, this is a game. Driving a real nascar is abit more exciting then playing a GT. Glory of completing the game...BWA AHAHAHAHAHAH, ok sure. :rolleyes: ITS NOT REAL!
 
Hey, I got a brilliant idea! Why don't we just race 1/2 lap races?!?! Or better yet, we could race 30-second timed races!! That way, all the people at GT planet with the attention span of a pigeon can be happy!! Or the game could just give away $1,000,000 credits simply for turning on the game!! That way, you won't even HAVE to race to buy all of your mods! In fact, maybe they should just eliminate all of that pointless racing altogether and get down to the important stuff: Bling-bling!!!
 
Originally posted by HondaKid86
People don't like the enduros? Tough -- maybe they don't deserve the 'glory' of completing the game, then. When's the last time Jeff Gordon said he was only going to run 3 laps of the Daytona 500 simply because he couldn't be arsed to do that in pursuit of the championship?
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People like you need to get real, I like endoro's but I rarely have tmie to do them, I got to work for 10-12 hours 5 days a week and then another 6 on Saturday, on top of that I have whats called a social life that goes on outside my house, pubs, clubs, snooker and football. Then theres the girl who if you have one will appreciate demands a level of attention, this leaves me with about enough time to eat and sleep and about 2-3 a week to watch a film that comes on that migth take my fancy or go on my computer. Does that meant that because I have a life I dont deserve to play GT4, if you feel you can't let something compromise so that other people without as much time as you can enjoy it, I'd say screw you and that your ignorant of other people, this goes for anyonr that insists GT4 should be atailor amde to suit their 100 laps per race needs to fill up their otherwise empty free time. PD have a good thing going with how GT3 is set out why ruin it.
 
Um, if you have such a huge and bountiful life, how do you manage to post here like 20 times a day? Get over yourself.
 
I'm at work, get over it. I have this site open in the background.
 
Thats how im on here so much myself is because of work, Im rarely on the comp at home and when am I usually dont come here since im on here most of the day..
 
I can't see why everyone is bickering about this. The best thing to suit all concerned is simply, as I said before, for the game to have enough options so that people who want enduros can have them, and that those that don't like them or don't have the time, can take the shorter races.

At the end of the day, if the game has good enough user defined options, then everyone is happy, so stop fighting about it....lol

Calling each other names on here aint gonna change what happens anyway!:D

There is no right or wrong in this. Liking or hating enduros doesn't make anyone "sad". Each person is entitled to like what he likes. A simple option of choosing laps should always be inherent in a racing game to please everyone!:D
 
And I say Bring on the Bob Jane T-Marts Bathurst 1000
 
if your fuken life is so precious why are you wasting your time playing a video game. go enjoy your precious life.

those of us who have one, but can tell the ball and chain that im playing video games for the next hour or two, will will enjoy the enduros.

i dont see the point of racing a race less than 10 laps. for beginners, yes. but a short race proves what? that youve got your launch down? please. thats not racing. if the race is so short that there is no opportunity for the competion, be it AI or a person, to catch up, then its a long drag race, not a race.

at every GT party ive been to, while the short races were ok (and by short i mean five laps or so) the long ones (10 laps +) were where it was happening. you could sense the intensity climbing, the drama was unfolding lap by lap as someone inched closer and closer to the leader, as battles for third and fourth waged back and forth, as someone tried desperately to make up for that first lap miscalculation. theres no drama in five laps.

may as well be fast forwarding through a movie to see the end.
 
My stand in this issue is that each race is challenging. As a dedicated GT gamer, I know that a race with Mini Coopers is as exciting as a race with Hondas, and that's as exciting as Corvette vs. Viper, and that's as exciting as 78 laps at Monaco. I'm not looking for any insults, but regardless of endurance racing, isn't this why we play GT? The Gran Turismo series was born to bring the world of cars to all of us and have us race cars, even if we never win them at Barrett-Jackson or if we, and I quote from another forum topic I was involved in:

"...even if I sold my soul to the devil."

So why was Endurance Racing events included? They were included, in my view, with inspiration from Le Mans, Sebring, Road Atlanta, Nurburgring, and all them. While you can't race around the clock (at least not yet), it gives the GT racer a chance to experience just how long and intense racing can get. Pit strategies. Running through the pack. Carefully watching lap times. It's why we love the races.

Personally, Gran Turismo wouldn't be the same without endurance races. I'm not suggesting anything. Just that the endurance races weren't included by some guys sitting on the toilet reading the newspaper when this idea comes up out of nowhere. No. PD had a vision to make racing better. And this goes back to me saying "you have to appeal to all fans of a series." I'll admit. Some people don't have the time for an endurance. But I think people should give it a try when they have time on their hands. I can remember Gran Turismo 1 when I lost the SSR11 1st Race to an NSX-R (then came back and whipped @$$). The endurances are the closest you'll get to realistic racing conditions from the comfort of your own home. If you don't race the professional events, at least try the Endurances. And hey, you don't have to race the entire thing. Just get a feel for the conditions you'll be dealing with. If you don't want a loss shown on your record for you backing out of an endurance, just re-load your game with your current stats (be sure you have saved before "sampling" an endurance.

I sure hope PD comes up with an option to save your race while in an endurance like in "Le Mans 24 Hours."
 
Originally posted by neanderthal
if your fuken life is so precious why are you wasting your time playing a video game. go enjoy your precious life.

those of us who have one, but can tell the ball and chain that im playing video games for the next hour or two, will will enjoy the enduros.

i dont see the point of racing a race less than 10 laps. for beginners, yes. but a short race proves what? that youve got your launch down? please. thats not racing. if the race is so short that there is no opportunity for the competion, be it AI or a person, to catch up, then its a long drag race, not a race.

at every GT party ive been to, while the short races were ok (and by short i mean five laps or so) the long ones (10 laps +) were where it was happening. you could sense the intensity climbing, the drama was unfolding lap by lap as someone inched closer and closer to the leader, as battles for third and fourth waged back and forth, as someone tried desperately to make up for that first lap miscalculation. theres no drama in five laps.

may as well be fast forwarding through a movie to see the end.
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No competition in short races? The racing in a short race is alot closer then a long race, in a short race there is no room for mistake and it is alot closer then a 15 lap race, and we are not talking about "GT party's" we are talking about the game it self, please do quote who ever it was in this thread who mentioned I-Link or multiplayer to have anything to do with Sim mode and the AI? Also quoting your self does not count. Now just say this in your head a few times so you don't forget it..."sim mode, not multiplayer"..."sim mode, not multiplayer"

Of course the racing at your gt partys are closer, YOU ARE RACING AGAINST HIGHER SKILL THAN GT'S AI. You cant tell me you dont have a closer race against the AI in a 5 lap race then you would a 15 lap race.
 
Originally posted by live4speed
Does that meant that because I have a life I dont deserve to play GT4
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Absolutely not. In fact, ask anyone from the Houston GranTurismo crowd that's met me... I don't have all of my endurance races done! I play the game for fun. That usually entails taking the car I'm infatuated with at the moment for a quick run at C-String. :)

I'm not saying that you shouldn't be able to play GT4. Not all of GT4 would be composed of endurance races, and I'm sure you'd find enjoyment in the shorter races. Should you be able to enjoy the satisfaction of 100% completion of GT4 without doing the endurances, though? No way... in fact, if you're busy with other passions in life (belive me, I completely understand where you're coming from!!), the "satisfaction" of "completion" shouldn't matter all that much to you.

The "GT Experience" in GT4 is going to involve competition in a multitude of forms of racing -- from Gymkhana to the D1 style event that was discussed in late 2003; from a possible drag-racing mode to rally racing. There's no reason why the traditional two and three lap races should not be augmented by a few endurance races. As you said, they got it right in GT3... why change it by removing endurance races?
 
Originally posted by HondaKid86
The "GT Experience" in GT4 is going to involve competition in a multitude of forms of racing -- from Gymkhana to the D1 style event that was discussed in late 2003; from a possible drag-racing mode to rally racing. There's no reason why the traditional two and three lap races should not be augmented by a few endurance races. they got it right in GT3... why change it
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I think this comment should end this thread, discussion, argument whatever you want to call it.
 
Originally posted by Caligula1
Hi all - just found this forum.

I've been told that GT4 won't have any endurance races and most will be restricted to 3 laps.

I'm a bit upset about this as I loved the longer races in GT3. Apparently a lot of people complained about endurance races last time around and that they didn't want to do a 2 hour race just to be able to complete the game.

This is very disappointing as the whole point of gran turismo is that it is supposed to cater for everyone!

How do other people feel about no endurance races in GT4?

I'd be interested in your opinions.
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When did you dream this?
 
Originally posted by HsV_CoUpE
No competition in short races? The racing in a short race is alot closer then a long race, in a short race there is no room for mistake and it is alot closer then a 15 lap race, and we are not talking about "GT party's" we are talking about the game it self, please do quote who ever it was in this thread who mentioned I-Link or multiplayer to have anything to do with Sim mode and the AI? Also quoting your self does not count. Now just say this in your head a few times so you don't forget it..."sim mode, not multiplayer"..."sim mode, not multiplayer"

Of course the racing at your gt partys are closer, YOU ARE RACING AGAINST HIGHER SKILL THAN GT'S AI. You cant tell me you dont have a closer race against the AI in a 5 lap race then you would a 15 lap race.
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i mentioned GT parties coz racing against the AI is worthless. if the AI is what you deem competition then i can see why you want the short races.


i know that there is less room for error in short races. but racing does also entail recovering from errors or consistently not making any. cant really be consistent if your racing 3 laps can you.

bring on the 100 laps of the ring. or complex string. or the mille miglia or bathurst or whatever.
 
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