No Weekly Patch? No Monthly Patch Now Either?

[ikarys]

I was curious so I put "upgrading every week, every month" into Google

Even without mention of GT5, Kaz or PD, the first page of results is all in regard to this.

 

[Devedander]

I will admit that I didn't see that, I checked GT5 in their search engine I found very few links, I'm not familiar with the site in the slightest bit, and it seems you need to do a fair bit of digging to get all the news on a particular product.

I was curious so I put "upgrading every week, every month" into Google

Even without mention of GT5, Kaz or PD, the first page of results is all in regard to this.

I didn't dig around the site... as ikarys has pointed out, google is your friend.

That being said, ambitions and reality are 2 different things, its clear that is hardly the full quote, who's to say what was omitted not including the words "We will be trying to be" something that would make that a complete sentence, even then if the statement was "Yes we will be delivering weekly updates." the current knowledge about updates is they are trying to do them on a monthly basis.

Ambitions or not, when things fall through this is the result you get. The thread wasn't about ambitions, it's about reality. I didn't have ambitions to pay for a game, I actually did. Talking about ambitions vs reality is just an angle to excuse a failure.

As for what was left out of the quotes, everything Kaz says goes through translator san and usually has to be paraphrased. It's the norm in any news and reporting environment to use only the most absolute quotes and parpharase the rest. Watch the evening news and see how many times the reporter says a paragraph and quotes only a few key words. Read any newspaper. It's hardly a valid measure to discredit information by.

With a site like Eurogamer it's pretty safe to assume they made every effort to accurately represent the spririt of the statement.

Edit: Ikarys you wanna know how awesome google is? Click your own link to google:

meta google!

 

[Soullessvessel]

I didn't google, again I went directly to the site..looked up gt5 and found a handful of articles and then on 2nd glance seen you need to click on small tabs to get access to all the results, so sue me.

Again, no matter what was said, no matter if it came out EXACTLY as intended or if some crucial piece of info is missing the fact remains is it said nothing about weekly patches.

The fact of the matter is this. The current stance on updates is monthly, (I have been looking for this news on GTP but I dont want to read every peice of news right now and the obvious things to search for turned up nothing.) and again that eurogamer quote still says nothing about weekly patches.

 

[Devedander]

I didn't google, again I went directly to the site..looked up gt5 and found a handful of articles and then on 2nd glance seen you need to click on small tabs to get access to all the results, so sue me.

Well there's your problem then... I literally laid it out for you and told you what to do... go to the original link, click the "Source" at the bottom, it will take you directly to the article on eurogamer where the quote came from.

You can hardly take an attitude with others when you can't be bothered to even google the phrase before declaring it's the only site on which you have seen that comment appear and then not bothering to follow literally the step by step directions of clicking two links to get you the proof you need...

Again, no matter what was said, no matter if it came out EXACTLY as intended or if some crucial piece of info is missing the fact remains is it said nothing about weekly patches.

You did notice the part quoted (as in not paraphrased but literally what Kaz said) includes the word weekly right?

I am truly amazed at the tenacity with which you hold your ground in the face of absolutely contradictory evidence.

The fact of the matter is this. The current stance on updates is monthly, (I have been looking for this news on GTP but I dont want to read every peice of news right now and the obvious things to search for turned up nothing.) and again that eurogamer quote still says nothing about weekly patches.

I don't think so. Got a link to substantiate your current stance? The news you are thinking of is probably somewhat later on Kaz mentioned that "monthly updates would be nice" as a kind of backpeddle so he went from "weekly, monthly updates" to if we got them monthly that would be pretty nice.

And what exactly do you take the eurogamer article to mean then when it says they will upgrade weekly, monthly?

Something tells me you have no plan to ever change your opinion no matter what contradictory fact you are presented with...

 

[Soullessvessel]

Please please PLEASE find me the word "PATCH" in that statement

Even then it said "upgrading" an upgrade is not an patch, an upgrade could mean MANY things from server improvements, to upgrading code for an upcoming patch, that quote no matter how its looked at says nothing about "weekly patch." So I restate there has been nothing said about weekly patches.

 

[Devedander]

Please please PLEASE find me the word "PATCH" in that statement

Other than increasing the number of servers they have I don't see how they can upgrade anything without it being the game... every change anywhere involves a patch to the game... even if it's to upgrade online features, it still comes with an patch to the game.

And let's play devils advocate... what non patch upgrades have you been seeing?

 

[Samus]

Other than increasing the number of servers they have I don't see how they can upgrade anything without it being the game... every change anywhere involves a patch to the game... even if it's to upgrade online features, it still comes with an patch to the game.

And let's play devils advocate... what non patch upgrades have you been seeing?

Seasonal Updates.

 

[Devedander]

Seasonal Updates.

The seasonal races were a feature that was released once. You could call it an upgrade. But it's a pretty hefty stretch to consider each weeks races an upgrade in and of themselves.

Seriously... we are starting with denying the source because the site has video game asses on it, then denying the other source because maybe something didn't get quoted, then upgrades and patches aren't the same but then we are going to call each set of seasonal events upgrades?

Come on now

 

[Soullessvessel]

Who is to say its anything that can be seen, the statement is INCREDIBLY vague, even the updating seasonal events themselves one could constitute an upgrade.and they don't. require the download of a patch to run (aside from the initial one needed too put it in the menu.)
As you said it ould be more servers, it could be streamlining server code it could be refining things that are coming up in an patch that is to come out, ore refining things we currently have in the game itself that are to be coming in an upcoming patch.

I have seen alot of controversy over the statements Kaz and his translator have made due to things getting lost in translation, when something like this frequently happens you cannot take every translated word as pure fact, the likelihood of something being a miss has been way to high in the past and it will likely keep being so until Kaz becomes flaunt in english, if ever. If he simply said patch in place of upgrade I wouldn't debate this matter, but a simple choice in words makes this statement open to interpretation as to what exactly an "upgrade" is, and he either blatantly lied, or and upgrade does not mean patch.

 

[Praetorr]

The seasonal races were a feature that was released once. You could call it an upgrade. But it's a pretty hefty stretch to consider each weeks races an upgrade in and of themselves.

Seriously... we are starting with denying the source because the site has video game asses on it, then denying the other source because maybe something didn't get quoted, then upgrades and patches aren't the same but then we are going to call each set of seasonal events upgrades?

Come on now

It's like alien conspirators. They just want to believe so badly. The amount of mental gymnastics going on here is astounding.

 

[Devedander]

It's like alien conspirators. They just want to believe so badly. The amount of mental gymnastics going on here is astounding.

Impressive it is...

 

[Welsh-Fury]

To me, the last patch/update was like fixing a cut on my hand. Now with the "Patch" on my hand, observing GT5 (Patch on my hand), it has a soothing warm feel to it, with a relaxing cool later on.

Now I sense when I get another "Patch" for another cut, I wouldn't be surprised if it dispenses little pieces of candy.

 

[amar212]

OK, just because I really can't stand when bunch of misinformed people quote irrelevant sources or tabloid-driven websites where nobody even knows proper English, not even to speak about translation of Japanese.

Here is your first, last and final information, from Kazunori Yamauchi himself, regarding this matter.

You can search whatever you like, argue about anything you like and quote anything you like, but you will not come further than this few very simple and informative sentences via Andriasang from December 2010 issue of Famitsu.

In the world of Japanese game development and Japanese studios, it is the only and last place where you will get correct and acurate information:

Yamauchi believes it would be good to have one update every month, although he didn't go so far as to actually set this schedule in stone.

One thing Yamauchi would say with conviction is that Gran Turismo 5 will have online races for B Spec mode. He wouldn't give an exact time frame, but said that this is something he's personally wanted to do.

Along the way, Yamauchi provided some additional hints about some of the updates we can expect in the future.

He said that they'd like to make it so that you'll be able to use the courses you made in the game's course maker mode in online races. This is something that he hopes to implement soon.

Famitsu also asked if plans are in place to redo the game's low fidelity "standard car" models as higher quality "premium car" models. Yamauchi responded in the affirmative. "Among the standard cars are some historical classics, and we plan on remaking them as premium cars. There are currently some cars that have both standard and premium versions. Those are cases where the cars were remade."

Yamauchi did not share a time frame for the changes.

Bolded words are probably important.

BTW This thread's title is misleading, inaccurate and full of presumptions.

"Weekly Updates" stands for "event updates" which are regular, they come every Thursday and they have been officially announced inside very core of the game, together with exact dates > check your "News" section and look at the dates inside Seasonal Events section.

"Monthly Updates" have also been very regular so far, we got 4 of them - although fourth carries an 1.05 number - and fifth is also been officially announced for February. Last time I checked at the calendar, February started 8 hours ago in my country.

Internet should be forbidden.

 

[Soullessvessel]

And for the record, I still cannot find it on here, dispite knowing I read it on here. but quoted from joystiq and for the record, yes I absolutely feel update is way more plausible to be another word he used for patch then "upgrade".

"Gran Turismo 5 may be out in stores, but its creators don't consider their work complete just yet. Since its release, Polyphony Digital's racing game has already received a few updates, with more on the way. Series creator Kazunori Yamauchi explained to Famitsu that "it would be good to have one update every month."

It is not exactly what I initially stated in this thread but I didn't quote for a reason. I will also add this quote is considerably newer then the previous one so it most certainly better reflects the current state of updates then the weekly comment.

 

[Welsh-Fury]

"Monthly Updates" have also been very regular so far, we got 4 of them - although fourth carries an 1.05 number - and fifth is also been officially announced for February. Last time I checked at the calendar, February started 8 hours ago in my country.

Internet should be forbidden.

Where I'm located, it's currently 11:38pm, January 31st. So no update yet. :3

 

[Spagetti69]

Where I'm located, it's currently 11:38pm, January 31st. So no update yet. :3

Not in Wales then boyo ?

 

[gemmy]

WoW!
Did u really expect weakly patches?
Some good MMORPGs, which have a lot more players, and monthly fee don't have updates that often, and u think that PD who made this game for 5 years gonna give weakly patches...think again.
Better be lucky with weakly seasonal events while they last and hope for real patch every month or two.

 

[mr_serious]

WoW!
Did u really expect weakly patches?
....

No, but I would expect all (most) development resources to be assigned to fixing existing problems with the game ASAP rather than implementing new features, but then I'm just a Soft Eng. grad with 15 years senior development & design experience, so what do I know?

 

[Big Ron]

Be happy to get little patches every month or bigger patches within a few month...but weekly patches...come on, are you serious?

 

[brambos]

It is a perfectly playable game, but just didn't meet the "we need everything NOW!" logic of people these days.

"people these days" ?

I consider myself an oldschool gamer, and in "the old days" the game on the cartridge you bought was 100% complete since there was no way to patch things later on.

It's far from unreasonable for "people these days" to expect a game to be finished when it goes onto the shelves after a 5 year development time.

If anything it's the developers getting lazy, not the gamers getting impatient.

 

[ikarys]

Edit: Ikarys you wanna know how awesome google is? Click your own link to google:

meta google!

I'm 4th position now

 

[Luminis]

If anything it's the developers getting lazy, not the gamers getting impatient.

True.

Also, ever since gaming became the mass media it is today, the overall quality of games has deteriorated by quite a bit.
With the rise of what I'd like to refer to as 'the casual gamer', developers realised that quality wasn't very important anymore to get their games sold.

Personally, I think that the more 'hardcore' of a gamer you are, the higher your expectations towards a game. That's why there's so much criticism towards GT5 by long time fans of the franchise. And that's where the demand for patches comes from, in my opinion.

 

[DEATHSARTHE]

Someone is impatient.

Doesn't he kind of have the right to be? I mean damn...

Wait 5 years for a sub-par racing game, that clearly doesn't meet PD's true potential or standards. Then we're waiting on updates... patches... things like dealer events would be nice. Wheres my machine test? You got every other motorsport somewhat represented in this game, no drag racing still? A wheel selection of more than 10 would be nice, and can I change the wheels on my standard cars? No? Well it looks like someones got work to do. No more 5 year waits for petty **** like this, lets do it right this time around and make it snappy.

 

[Luminis]

Doesn't he kind of have the right to be? I mean damn...

Well, you're right.

Thing is, a lot of the problems seem to hail from design choices, for the most part (just my opinion).
Like, limiting the wheel selection for each car instead of just making all rims available to (at least) all premium cars.

So I doubt there's any technical difficulty in fixing this, for example. That's why I can relate to people getting a little impatient by now.
It's not that it'd be impossible to implement, only a change of heart (and acceptance of the issue, as in "damn, that one backifred completely"), so the hold up isn't really understandable.

 

[dhandeh]

whats wrong with the game as is? gtfo

So what does, gtfo mean then?! Or need I ask.

 

[kitchenboy3]

OK, just because I really can't stand when bunch of misinformed people quote irrelevant sources or tabloid-driven websites where nobody even knows proper English, not even to speak about translation of Japanese.

Here is your first, last and final information, from Kazunori Yamauchi himself, regarding this matter.

You can search whatever you like, argue about anything you like and quote anything you like, but you will not come further than this few very simple and informative sentences via Andriasang from December 2010 issue of Famitsu.

In the world of Japanese game development and Japanese studios, it is the only and last place where you will get correct and acurate information:







Bolded words are probably important.

BTW This thread's title is misleading, inaccurate and full of presumptions.

"Weekly Updates" stands for "event updates" which are regular, they come every Thursday and they have been officially announced inside very core of the game, together with exact dates > check your "News" section and look at the dates inside Seasonal Events section.

"Monthly Updates" have also been very regular so far, we got 4 of them - although fourth carries an 1.05 number - and fifth is also been officially announced for February. Last time I checked at the calendar, February started 8 hours ago in my country.

Internet should be forbidden.

LoL, that's maybe a little harsh, but perhaps a 'license' to use it might be the way to go, an ability to seperate the wheat from the chaff license

 

[Big Ron]

True.

Also, ever since gaming became the mass media it is today, the overall quality of games has deteriorated by quite a bit.
With the rise of what I'd like to refer to as 'the casual gamer', developers realised that quality wasn't very important anymore to get their games sold.

Personally, I think that the more 'hardcore' of a gamer you are, the higher your expectations towards a game. That's why there's so much criticism towards GT5 by long time fans of the franchise. And that's where the demand for patches comes from, in my opinion.

You guys can´t compare an old-school game with todays technic and develop standards.

In 1995 you needed maybe two seconds to create a car and a minute to create a track, because they were just blocks out of 4 to 8 polys.

But in todays standards, you need to care about so much stuff within the engine, the physics and the game structure itself, that is get nearly impossible to sell a bug-free game.

And a reason for that is a crying community always asking for more and more and more in perfect condition.

You guys should be happy about your internet connection. Without it, you would play the same buggy games you bought.

 

[Obli]

If anything it's the developers getting lazy, not the gamers getting impatient.

Also consider that games are far more complicated than they used to be and more can go wrong. A lot of people these days have the attitude 'I want it now'. I'm sure we will get updates when they're ready. It's difficult to make changes to a code base and test that you haven't broken everything else.

EDIT: as Big Ron said.

 

[Luminis]

You guys can´t compare an old-school game with todays technic and develop standards.

In 1995 you needed maybe two seconds to create a car and a minute to create a track, because they were just blocks out of 4 to 8 polys.

But in todays standards, you need to care about so much stuff within the engine, the physics and the game structure itself, that is get nearly impossible to sell a bug-free game.

First of, a bug free game is one thing. A game that features bad design decisions a completely different case. And, furthermore, a game that features bad design decisions and bugs that are so friggin' obvious to anyone who touches the game looks liek the dev team just skipped on the QA work.

And a reason for that is a crying community always asking for more and more and more in perfect condition.

You guys should be happy about your internet connection. Without it, you would play the same buggy games you bought.

Oh joy! Hey, are you happy about having a garage near you so you're not stuck with your brand new car breaking down after driving it for a hundred miles?

 

[Big Ron]

First of, a bug free game is one thing. A game that features bad design decisions a completely different case. And, furthermore, a game that features bad design decisions and bugs that are so friggin' obvious to anyone who touches the game looks liek the dev team just skipped on the QA work.

But the game design is a part of a game, where you can ask for improvement but as a decision of the game developers, it also could be as is it, because it isn´t comparable with a bug. When they made the decision, you can love it or hate it and HOPE for an imrovement or a re-design in next title.

Other than that bugs are mistakes, which should be fixed as a matter of course.

And there is my difference.

When I buy a game, I play it and ask for updates, because a feature has mistakes and does not work correctly. But I don´t write a letter to the developer and ask for a patch with re-design of the game because the actual one is ********. It is a part, which I need to accept or hate.

This forum transformed into an ask for a new game and not for bug-fixing anymore.