Nordschleife Fastest Lap Times

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My first try at gt-r trophy on early december was a 7:27.xxx, today I gave another try with the GT-R stock/Sport hard tires and...

7:22.372 Nissan GT-R '07

Was impressed in how I improved my skills in just 2 months of game đź‘Ť

Another lap I've done today is :

6:29.310 Pagani Zonda R '09 -> Stock, Max Downforce, Sport Soft Tires
 
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6:29.310 Pagani Zonda R '09 -> Stock, Max Downforce, Sport Soft Tires
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That reminds me.. I was watching Top Gear yesterday and Clarkson mentioned that the Pagani Zonda R was used on the 'Ring and it set a new track record or something ( 6:47 ), and it got me thinking.. How the hell is there so much difference between the game and the real life thing. The lap was done with slick tires so it can't be that. Or can it..

Can someone explain that to me?
 
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That reminds me.. I was watching Top Gear yesterday and Clarkson mentioned that the Pagani Zonda R was used on the 'Ring and it set a new track record or something ( 6:47 ), and it got me thinking.. How the hell is there so much difference between the game and the real life thing. The lap was done with slick tires so it can't be that. Or can it..

Can someone explain that to me?
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First of all, would you like to tell the audience how many times you crashed before you got that 6:29? I know it takes me at least 3-4 practice laps before I get in a 100% clean run. It is likely that the Zonda R could have gone faster IRL, but that the driver was experiencing the fear of driving a $2m, limited production, 740hp race car around the most challenging track in the world.

Also try setting a lap with the HUD disabled and the car completely stock in arcade mode. You would be surprised how much harder it is to drive without subconsciously noticing that flashing gear indicator on the HUD. If you get a 6:29 then I will be real impressed. For the record I got 6:30 with the arcade mode car on racing hards (HUD). I know I could be at LEAST 10 seconds quicker. I just think it all boils down to fear.
 
vigi147
That reminds me.. I was watching Top Gear yesterday and Clarkson mentioned that the Pagani Zonda R was used on the 'Ring and it set a new track record or something ( 6:47 ), and it got me thinking.. How the hell is there so much difference between the game and the real life thing. The lap was done with slick tires so it can't be that. Or can it..

Can someone explain that to me?
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From my little experience, I have noticed that the times done with stock road cars in the game are pretty similar to thee real one (My GT-R time is only 3 second better than the real one), but things changes with fast cars. Reason for the difference from real and game with the Zonda R may be these :
1) In game is easier to go fast through the 'ring, you don't risk your life and can push the zonda at its limit. In real life you would think twice before taking this tight corner at 250+ Kmh...

2) Wrong Aerodynamics : The aero on the zonda may be a bit exaggerated in the game, compared with real car.

3) Too much grip : Maybe even sport tires has an unrealistic amount of grip, but I don't think it's true, because as I stated before, with stock cars the times are pretty the same as the real times, so I can't figure how it would be different with faster cars.
 
Did another lap today with the fully modified (except the gearbox) premium Toyota Yaris RS.

7:57:678 with SS and all off. DS3.
 
I understand the fear factor and everything. But as i understood he was using slicks, and i always kind of thought that the in-game alternative to that was Racing tires. And with those tires you can go through the 'Ring in well under 6:30. That's the thing that bugs me. Even with fear, a 30 second difference would be a bit too much. Or he wasnt using proper slick tires..
 
vigi147
I understand the fear factor and everything. But as i understood he was using slicks, and i always kind of thought that the in-game alternative to that was Racing tires. And with those tires you can go through the 'Ring in well under 6:30. That's the thing that bugs me. Even with fear, a 30 second difference would be a bit too much. Or he wasnt using proper slick tires..
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Well for one I am sure the car in GT has way to much grip at speed. Get above 120 in that thing and it basically handles like the F2010. Also don't forget on the IRL Nurburgring you cannot hit the curbs, certain section have less grip than others due to the graffiti, the bumps are far more jolting, there are variable weather conditions (temp, humidity, etc), etc, etc.

Like other have said GT5 handles street cars much more faithfully than race cars, the latter usually having way too much grip or way too little.
 
vigi147
I understand the fear factor and everything. But as i understood he was using slicks, and i always kind of thought that the in-game alternative to that was Racing tires. And with those tires you can go through the 'Ring in well under 6:30. That's the thing that bugs me. Even with fear, a 30 second difference would be a bit too much. Or he wasnt using proper slick tires..
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The Zonda R uses Pirelli P Zero Slick, a type of tires designed properly for that car. I don't know how much grip they can produce, but IMO they are closer to the Sport Soft than the Racing Hard in the game, just because it's not a real race car, and I think the productive process is a little different between tires for race cars and for sport-road car. I can't say it for sure anyway, I'm just trying to find a viable explanation :lol:

Anyway, you have to consider that IRL rarely you can do several laps on the ring in perfect dry conditions, and humidity and other weather factors can influence the lap times, expecially in a long track like the Nurburgring. To me anyway seems like they got wrong the amount of aerodynamics the car can produce, and IMO all the aerodynamic system is a little strange in the game.
 
7:54.154 Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STI '10

Arcade Mode, Sport Hard Tires, No assists except ABS=1, Grip set to real.
 
It seems that to get the most IRL comparison you need to use Hard Sport tyres for high speed cars. For low speed cars (300hp and under) keep to comfort tyres. Something like that. It will never be perfect, just take some practicing to replicate real times.
 
8:20.777 w/ Sprinter Trueno GT-Apex S.S. Version '00 (Fully Modded with Sport Softs and only two tiny mistakes)
8:49.890 w/ Z4 M Coupe '08 (Stock with one mistake)
9.00.368 w/ Buick GNX '87 (Everything stock expect Sport Softs and one huge mistake)

All of these times were One lap and all assist's off.
 
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7.14 in a RUF CTR2, with sport soft and tuned to 650bhp. Full suspension mods. too much power through the carasel ruined my time. But! I have done a 6.39 in a Bugatti veyron with suspension and a engine upgrade.
 
vigi147
That reminds me.. I was watching Top Gear yesterday and Clarkson mentioned that the Pagani Zonda R was used on the 'Ring and it set a new track record or something ( 6:47 ), and it got me thinking.. How the hell is there so much difference between the game and the real life thing. The lap was done with slick tires so it can't be that. Or can it..

Can someone explain that to me?
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easy

hit wall in game = bounce off and maybe get back onto course with temporary damage

hit wall in real life = well, i dont think i need to describe that one

basically, we arent subject to the fear / potential loss of life that real drivers encounter
 
All of the above explanations are correct.

1. Risk / fear.
2. Tires in the game / IRL
3. Always ideal conditions in the game in terms of traction, tire wear, etc.

not mentioned:

4. In the game we use the kerbs much more aggressively than they do it IRL. IRL it's risky using the kerbs too much, because they can upset the car and you lose control, the car can be damaged, etc. On Nurburgring the kerbs are quite, quite rough and high.
 
Best time so far is 7:28.195 during the time trial for the GT-R trophy.... Did it on the first lap (DS3), so I guess I could improve the the time with a few secs. with warmer tyres.

Was excellent to hit such a perfect lap on the Nordschleife... Have been practicing it a lot though the recent days in the dream car championship, where I've tried out different cars on the 3 lap race (also a nice way to gain a few xp during testing).
 
A bit of history:
the world record (real not gt5) was on 1983 by Stefan Bellof he made an stunning 6.11 on a porsche 956 (fastest lap ever)

my 2 cents.
 
Nurburgring Nordschleife - Pagani Zonda R '09 (Sport Soft Tires, Stock, Max Downforce) - 6'29.310


Nurburgring Nordschleife - Nissan GT-R '07 (Sport Hard Tires, Stock) - 7'22.372
 
Am I the only one posting here these days? Anyway, other three replays from my archive =D


Nurburgring Nordschleife - Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi (Sport Hard Tires, Stock) - 7'54.154


Nurburgring Nordschleife - McLaren F1 '94 (Sport Soft Tires, Stock) - 6'43.643


Nurburgring Nordschleife - Shelby Cobra 427 '66 (Sport Soft Tires, Stock) - 7'30.810
 
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R1600Turbo
6:50.029 in a Ford Lightning Pickup. :D

All mods including racing soft tires, stock exhaust. All aids off except for ABS at 1. Can get video for proof if needed.

Fastest pickup at the 'Ring so far in GT5?
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Racing buddy of mine and I picked up a Lightening.
I spent a great deal of time tuning last night, never was totally satisfied, but decided to run a couple of hot laps before shuting the game down.
7.01.2xx with hitting the inside of the wall heading onto the finish straight, and messing up some corner exits... and turns out I had the gearing all wrong for that long straight... none of which "killed" my lap.
I doubt I've got 11 seconds in me (even with the truck sorted), but my buddy typically runs 10-15 seconds faster than I.... he may have something for you...
:).
I'll be setting the truck up a little better (if possible) this evening, and, then I'll turn it over to him... get some feedback and make some more adjustments...
I'll let you know where we get.


EDIT
Just realized this is kinda like "my friend can beat up your friend"
HA!
 
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6:32:845 Amuse S2000 GT1 Turbo

Racing Soft
ABS:10
No aids.

Edit: DS3, in Online Lobby.
 
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7:20.746 Falken GT-R Race Car '04 (R:h and no oil change)
7.39.109 Viper SRT10 ACR '08 (Stock)
7:43.347 458 Italia '09 (Stock)
7:45.900 Mclaren MP4-12c '10 (Stock)
7:50.371 F430 '06 (Stock)
7:54.798 California '08 (Stock)
7:59.748 Series One Super Charged '03 (Stock)
8.03.835 XKR Coupe '10 (Stock)
8:08.596 DB9 Coupe '06 (Stock)
8:10.461 M3 Coupe '07 (Stock)

Did these times the last few days.
 

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