Nordschleife Times

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lol, yeh of course i´m using very low downforce, 0.3 on the lambo gt3, i´ll post the lap 2 u see the diference, you don´t lose power when u corner, on ps3 the cars doens´t have such power, that´s what i meant when i said smoother...
OK, look forward to seeing your video then.
Please capture the inside view so we can see the rpm meter and speedometer clearly.
And at the end of the vid show also the intermediate sector times
 
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Oh, it's even better than it looks Steve :)
Plus there's fierce competition, which is awesome.

You need to be extremely fast and precise to get a spot in the top 50 in the weekly hot lap events over there.
Top 10 is reserved for aliens only.

Btw ... I just did a quickie with Maserati MC12 GT1, all default.
Lap time was 6:18 flat.
Top speed on the straight - 312 km/h (above 305 you get on the rev limiter).

I'll see how far I can go with my own setup later on tonight, hopefully in the low 6:10's.
 
Nice1 cant wait till it hits PS3, Think the GT cars are defo faster on PC mate. Page1 updated. Nordschleife MC12 GT1 6.23.559
 
Hmmm ... looking at your video I'd be inclined to say there aren't any platform associated differences.
Top speed on the long straight is virtually identical (yours is actually bit higher by 2-3 kmh).

What I do see is a lot of oversteer. You sent the car into a slide in quite a few crucial corners, compromising exit speed by 5 to10 km/h compared to mine.

I'll do a quick vid with default MC12 and post it here, so you can judge for yourself.
 
Hmmm ... looking at your video I'd be inclined to say there aren't any platform associated differences.
Top speed on the long straight is virtually identical (yours is actually bit higher by 2-3 kmh).

What I do see is a lot of oversteer. You sent the car into a slide in quite a few crucial corners, compromising exit speed by 5 to10 km/h compared to mine.

I'll do a quick vid with default MC12 and post it here, so you can judge for yourself.

yeh, but that´s the problem man, when u hit the bumps on ps3 the car bouncy, kick and lose traction, it looks much smoother on pc, u can hit the bumps and side of the track and still push full gas...did several changes on gearing for the lambo to reach the same speed of urs, but lost accelaration completly, downforce is 0.3, what gave me a huge understeer....ur car is to fast and looks have loads more torques on 2nd, 3rd and 4th gears...uploading my lap 5:39 gt3, maybe roon for 2 or 3 seconds, but it would take more restarts lol
Hit 6:26 on the matech gti, must try the MC12 tomorrow. Lap will be up soon

I was in a battle for hotlap on mount panorama and road america using the veyron against a PC guy, ´´PC ID Inverter´´, my speed was the same of the PC guy, but for that i´d to use half downforce, what make me finish always 2 seconds slower....he did a 1.40 on road america and 1.39 on panorama, those times are impossible on ps3 for sure...
 
PC version has different physics i know that because wive played. You can do easy faster laps, cars grips better.

Well it's not different physics but way much improved. So there is nothing to compare at least on Nordschleife

Page1 updated. Nordschleife Ford Matech GT3 6.45.383


Few weeks back i play couple 2-lap on-line races on Nordschleife in GT3 Z4 and my laps were somewhere in 6:45.xxx area or at least i think so. I've lost 2 lap race to a guy who drive in Matech GT3, i don't know if i remember correctly but i think it might be 6:41.xxx <-- is ti possible to shake 4 second of 6:45.xxx ???

Or maybe ill remember all wrong. I've recorded that race but then I've deleted, not knowing you guys few week later would have this tests. :irked:
 
Yeh can easy bring the time down as it was my first run, under 640 possible. 630 is very unrealistic unlike the PC times. Are you gona get a time down USSR?
 
Sure Thiago, but you must also leave some room for the driver (style, skill and ability to find a suiting setup for the car). We're not comparing just platforms and all the videos we posted show we've all got completely different approaches to Nordschleife.

For smooth power through the corners I never take my foot off the gas pedal and always feather it through. I never coast without throttle through a corner and I never trail brake.
And one more important aspect I underlined earlier - the need for softer suspension.
For my driving style a hard suspension on Nordschleife doesn't do well.
The car is more responsive, yes, but the wheels will lose contact with the tarmac often over bumps and kerbs, making it almost impossible to keep momentum throughout the lap.



That being said, I will reiterate what I've said in my first post on this thread - from my limited exposure to the PS3 version of Shift 2 I noticed there are definite differences in terms of handling compared to the PC.
Some cars handle better, others worse. As a whole I found the handling more sedate and easier to deal with from the get go.

I was in a battle for hotlap on mount panorama and road america using the veyron against a PC guy, ´´PC ID Inverter´´, my speed was the same of the PC guy, but for that i´d to use half downforce, what make me finish always 2 seconds slower....he did a 1.40 on road america and 1.39 on panorama, those times are impossible on ps3 for sure...
Veyron is a car that allows many exploits on the PC and so does the Murcielago. This is the reason I will never use them for hot lapping in Shift2.
One classical exploit is to use lower handling modes (like Novice or Normal), which have higher grip values for the tires. And of course the good old diriving aids (traction and stability control).
Couple that with a low downforce setup and you get a toy of a car that will handle arcade-style and allow impossible lap times.
Only job you need to do is keep it on the road.


PS: Uploading now the Maserati MC12 GT1 video on my channel.
 
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lol, ok! So you are 10 seconds faster than the 2 of the very best ps3 drivers in the all world. Nice!
Hope see you doing this lap on ps3 someday, and you will see what´s what.
Peace cheers
 
Ok here it is: Maserati MC12 GT1 - 6:17.267


I made some changes in the car setup, but kept the downforce default.
You can see my complete setup at the end of the video.

Increasing front damper slow/fast rebound values are crucial for the MC12 (and Nordschleife in general).
This is one of the most important elements that prevents throttle oversteer over the kerbs.
Too soft and you'll skid every time you put the power down.


PS: I moved all videos into one post -->> here
 
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lol, ok! So you are 10 seconds faster than the 2 of the very best ps3 drivers in the all world. Nice!
Hope see you doing this lap on ps3 someday, and you will see what´s what.
Peace cheers

Thiago I don't want to start an argument with you.
It was not my intent to downplay your driving skills, nor mine.
It's quite obvious we're all quick drivers (mistakes and all). But let's not digress into something else...

Shift2 behaves differently across platforms and it's probably best to leave it at that, ok?


As for the rest of your message , if you really want to see what the best drivers look like join pCARS, iRacing or rFactor and see how you fare against them.
 
Thiago I don't want to start an argument with you.
It was not my intent to downplay your driving skills, nor mine.
It's quite obvious we're all quick drivers (mistakes and all). But let's not digress into something else...

Shift2 behaves differently across platforms and it's probably best to leave it at that, ok?


As for the rest of your message , if you really want to see what the best drivers look like join pCARS, iRacing or rFactor and see how you fare against them.

lol, you are a very funny guy...We are talking about shift2, it does have a ranking. Steve is 1st on carrer and I´m the second, also the 3rd on hotlap.
Ps3 doesn´t have this games, but be sure when pcars come out I´ll be in very top of it as usual....As I said before, leave it! PEACE, cheers!
 
You've missed the whole point, but that's ok.
I'll take your advice and leave it

PS: where do you think I rank on the PC? Just a thought ;)
 
There is one problem with nfsstats, check the bottom of the page - " LAST UPDATE: 6/1/2012 "
The vast majority of my lap times are weeks old and are missing completely from that website.

6:17 should be perfectly possible because Steve's lap was very conservative and had a few time taxing slides before long straights.
And seeing your Gallardo GT3 so did you.
You slide the car too much around the corners, so you shouldn't wonder anymore where you lose revs and all those seconds. You should know this already.
Do this exercise for me. Put the videos side by side and compare our exit speeds on the corners before the straights also at the end of them.
And btw the difference is 6 not 10 seconds.

6:10 may or may not be in the cards.
I assumed it's possible given a perfect lap with low downforce, provided the driver can pull pull it off.

So far I'm not capable of keeping it together. I've tried a 3/4 aero settings and managed only 6:16, because of (guess what) sliding.
The MC12 doesn't respond so well to low downforce and its mechanical grip is not enough to keep the speeds up through the corners.
 
There is one problem with nfsstats, check the bottom of the page - " LAST UPDATE: 6/1/2012 "
The vast majority of my lap times are weeks old and are missing completely from that website.

6:17 should be perfectly possible because Steve's lap was very conservative and had a few time taxing slides before long straights.
And seeing your Gallardo GT3 so did you.
You slide the car too much around the corners, so you shouldn't wonder anymore where you lose revs and all those seconds. You should know this already.
Do this exercise for me. Put the videos side by side and compare our exit speeds on the corners before the straights also at the end of them.
And btw the difference is 6 not 10 seconds.

6:10 may or may not be in the cards.
I assumed it's possible given a perfect lap with low downforce, provided the driver can pull pull it off.

So far I'm not capable of keeping it together. I've tried a 3/4 aero settings and managed only 6:16, because of (guess what) sliding.
The MC12 doesn't respond so well to low downforce and its mechanical grip is not enough to keep the speeds up through the corners.

Yeh It´s not uploaded since they shutdown the autolog website, I would be 1st by now on hotlap with more than 30world records...Shame

yeh man, u got the point, it must be like this on ps3, we can´t be as smoother as u on the corners, that´s why u got much more traction...the bumps are massive here what make us slide...get to go now, caught u guys 2morro
 
bogdantw2, have you run the GTs on the PS3 they are very unstable, they are defo the hardest car to handle. Like thi said your PC vids look so much smoother, i would like to see you on PS3 some time and am sure you would get the point then.
 
bogdantw2, have you run the GTs on the PS3 they are very unstable, they are defo the hardest car to handle

The only GT car I've tried was the Aston DBRS9 (which is GT3).
However I haven't used it on Nordschleife, but on Spa and Laguna Seca.
The car felt fine, I didn't notice any excessive instability and twitchy-ness you guys are reporting.

On the PC both GT3 and GT1 cars handle better than your average sports car. And so they should.
In the real world GT3's are widely regarded as some of the best handling cars in the world (after Le Mans prototypes).
Remember - they're race cars, stripped of excess weight, got race-spec suspensions, brakes, oversized slick tires, etc etc

If they're handling worse than a sports car then the PS3 physics would be upside down, which my limited experience didn't pick up.
I wrote my impressions about the PS3 physiscs last week in my very first message on this thread - https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7425045#post7425045

Anyways I'll borrow again my friend's console and I'll do some laps with GT3 and GT1. I'll check back and report my findings.
I'll also try to find a way to record the gameplay.
 
GT3 and GT1s are race cars, really!! well i never knew that pmsl. Ok if you get on a PS3 send me a friends request and we can do some runs together, just put your name on the request.
 
One classical exploit is to use lower handling modes (like Novice or Normal), which have higher grip values for the tires. And of course the good old diriving aids (traction and stability control).


Are you describing Shift 2? Because i can hardly believe in that. I know that in Shift 1 laps on Normal were faster than on PRO and Novice was unplayable because game interfere with auto brake and auto steer. Even if you turn them off it was harder to drive than on Normal setting.

So in Shift 2 if i set my handling set up from PRO to Normal would my laps would be quicker ?
 
Ok so lets get this right bog, you are PC using Novice or Normal with (traction and stability control) and your hitting a 633 in a GT3 with room to improve, and you think there is no difference between PC and PS3 in this class. I think you need to check yourself my friend. Oh above your vids can you please put PC user with the aids you use, thanks.
 
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