Not being able to remove engine/weight stages = DUMB!!!!

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This drives me crazy. I tune most of my cars for 450pp online racing. I'd like to experiment with trading off performance mods but as soon as I purchase an engine tuning upgrade I can't go back. I have to wait for the car to appear in the UCD again to compare times, but even then it is painful to switch cars for this when running practice laps.

Things I'd like to know...

1) How can I maximize Power/weight ratio by juggling mods and weight reduction?

2) How can I achieve the best hp/torque curve with a mix of engine tuning and bolt-ons?

Clearly the mods do different things and affect performance points differently, so I need to know the best approach for a given car without purchasing it several times.
 
I agree they should be removable.

But, maximizing power to weight is easy, you just do all the weight reductions and all the power upgrades, there's your max power to weight.

It'd be nice if upgrades said how much torque was added though.
 
chuyler1
This drives me crazy. I tune most of my cars for 450pp online racing. I'd like to experiment with trading off performance mods but as soon as I purchase an engine tuning upgrade I can't go back. I have to wait for the car to appear in the UCD again to compare times, but even then it is painful to switch cars for this when running practice laps.

Things I'd like to know...

1) How can I maximize Power/weight ratio by juggling mods and weight reduction?

2) How can I achieve the best hp/torque curve with a mix of engine tuning and bolt-ons?

Clearly the mods do different things and affect performance points differently, so I need to know the best approach for a given car without purchasing it several times.
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Look at some of the descriptions, there's a reason they can't be removed.
 
Just about anything could be removed in real life, it would just be an enormous pain in the butt. Why not make it an option in a game? Stuff like weight reduction should be reversible, same with engine stages.

There are too many inconsistencies in the game to claim that it should be realistic in tuning, but completely fake in painting for example.
 
MadBullBunny
Hey theres paint booths like that irl! ^
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There are paint shops that exist, in real life, that won't paint your car a certain color unless you've previously owned a car painted that same color? These paint shops can't just paint your car whatever color you ask for?

I expect you're wrong.
 
freight48
Look at some of the descriptions, there's a reason they can't be removed.
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I'm sorry, but there is no reason why if for example you remove the rear seats in order to remove weight that they can not be put back in.

Not only that, they are not even actually removed in GT5. You can still look behind and they'll be there.
 
Unless you throw out your old body panels, reversing weight reduction should be easy on a real car. I know in-game you can just add ballast but it is very difficult to figure out where the ballast needs to go for the car to feel normal again. I'd be willing to compromise and *pay* to put the weight back on! it'd be easier than waiting for the car to appear in the UCD for me to purchase again.

As for engine tuning. I agree that certain mods like a port/polish cannot be undone...but this is a game. Perhaps the tuning menu should show you the hp/torque chart before you buy it so I can see exactly what it does. Knowing the new max power level simply doesn't tell the whole story.
 
::Attempts to remove over-bored cylinders::

Hmm, they won't move. Maybe if I just put the old pistons back in...
Oh noes! My compression ratio just dropped to 1:1!!
 
r0llinlacs
::Attempts to remove over-bored cylinders::

Hmm, they won't move. Maybe if I just put the old pistons back in...
Oh noes! My compression ratio just dropped to 1:1!!
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::Attempts to add seats back into car, has no problem doing so.::
::Attempts to return stock wheels to car.. oddly gets charged 3 grand?::
::Easily adds and removes turbo charging system with no difference in weight::
::Still searching for a supercharger kit for my elise, nowhere to be found::

Using reality as an argument for or against GT5 is not a good idea, the game is too inconsistent.
A better question is, do you really think the game is more fun because you can't reverse tuning?


shigllgetcha
Can you just not add weight back on with ballast.
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And it will change the weight distribution as there is no way to see the distribution in the game.

Predwolf
And remove power with the power limiter.

Basically, everything the OP asks for. Not sure what the issue is here.
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And it will change the curve, not bring it back to stock.
 
I don't personally race online, so PP restrictions don't have any sort of concern for me, and I don't expect that PD is going to change that certain vehicle mods are irreversible anytime soon.

Is it dumb? To a certain extent. From a real-world parallel, one could always replace modified parts/components with OEM-grade to take the car back to a "stock" state. From a gameplay perspective, it provides a point of strategy. The irreversible mods generally yield greater performance, but they can't be changed back, so you have to choose if making a change to that car that you can't change back is the best move.

Please don't mock the question because I know very little about online racing (like what group of cars you're racing with, etc.), but wouldn't the easiest solution be to start off with vehicle(s) that "stock" are closer to that 450 PP value?
This way, you can take the car up to the PP you want just by using mods that can be reversed. If you also want to add some of the irrreversible mods, you'll have plenty of wiggle room to bring the car back down to the desired PP value.

Just a suggestion.

Peace...
 
shigllgetcha
Can you just not add weight back on with ballast.
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You can but as i mentioned above, the weight doesn't go back in the same place. It's tough to get the car to handle properly if you are adding 200kg of ballast.

strngz0731
Please don't mock the question because I know very little about online racing (like what group of cars you're racing with, etc.), but wouldn't the easiest solution be to start off with vehicle(s) that "stock" are closer to that 450 PP value?
This way, you can take the car up to the PP you want just by using mods that can be reversed. If you also want to add some of the irrreversible mods, you'll have plenty of wiggle room to bring the car back down to the desired PP value.

Just a suggestion.

Peace...
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For the most part that is what I do. But each mod is unique in how it affects the torque and hp curves. One mod might give you 300hp and 250tq but another will give you 295hp and 275tq. Engine tuning I imagine is like that as well, but I cannot experiment with it to find out whether engine stage 3 will yield a wider power band than a titanium racing exhaust...because once I add it, there is no going back if I find out it didn't optimize the car for the PP I am trying to achieve.

For the "budget car challenge" on this forum I had to buy a Keicar and mod it for under 25,000cr. I was swapping around parts trying to match another member's time when I thought to try engine stage 1. I put it on and removed some other things so my value was still under 25k. Well, it actually made the car slower...but I had no way to back out the change. Now I have to wait for the car to appear in the UCD again before I can go back to my original setup.

Maybe if there was an option "back to stock" that would just remove everything. If I had to pay credits to do it that's fine...but with the UCD system it's like do or die.
 
chuyler1
You can but as i mentioned above, the weight doesn't go back in the same place. It's tough to get the car to handle properly if you are adding 200kg of ballast.


For the most part that is what I do. But each mod is unique in how it affects the torque and hp curves. One mod might give you 300hp and 250tq but another will give you 295hp and 275tq. Engine tuning I imagine is like that as well, but I cannot experiment with it to find out whether engine stage 3 will yield a wider power band than a titanium racing exhaust...because once I add it, there is no going back if I find out it didn't optimize the car for the PP I am trying to achieve.

For the "budget car challenge" on this forum I had to buy a Keicar and mod it for under 25,000cr. I was swapping around parts trying to match another member's time when I thought to try engine stage 1. I put it on and removed some other things so my value was still under 25k. Well, it actually made the car slower...but I had no way to back out the change. Now I have to wait for the car to appear in the UCD again before I can go back to my original setup.

Maybe if there was an option "back to stock" that would just remove everything. If I had to pay credits to do it that's fine...but with the UCD system it's like do or die.
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I agree +1
 
Maybe the Engine Overhaul ought to revert the engine to stock condition with all the parts that were fitted before, allocated to the car so that you can refit the ones you want,
 
r0llinlacs
::Attempts to remove over-bored cylinders::

Hmm, they won't move. Maybe if I just put the old pistons back in...
Oh noes! My compression ratio just dropped to 1:1!!
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You couldn't re sleeve the cylinders back to normal displacement?

I mean if I can swap between a 6 speed fully tunable tranny and the stock one free, and I can swap out turbos free, and I can swap out exhaust systems free... clearly I have a whole shop at my disposal to do free labor for me...

Why can't they fix weight reduction and engine boring?
 
You can't untune your engine that sounds craazy.

"Hey can you put my old plugs and wires back in I hate the way this thing runs so smooth"

Dumb

This is not Ridge Racer! The game has some problems but this isn't one of them.
 
For the cost of the engine overhaul, I would have thought replacement parts to revert to stock could be included, if not actually required (in real life).

For that matter the amount you pay ought to get you a replacement reconditioned engine.
 
While you're at it, take that stock air filter that a mouse was living in out of the trash and put it back on my car, I don't need the K&N after all.

...oh wait, you can do that though can't you.

It's a game. if i can swap out a rear differential on the fly, i'm sure replacing engine cams can be done just the same.
 
trk29
You can't untune your engine that sounds craazy.

"Hey can you put my old plugs and wires back in I hate the way this thing runs so smooth"

Dumb

This is not Ridge Racer! The game has some problems but this isn't one of them.
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Why should you not be able to return your engine to stock? Or replace your seats, door cards, etc? The examples you gave are even easy to do in real life, let alone video game fantasy land.
 
What would be the purpose in putting your stock door handles back on anyway, to make your car uncool back before you made it cool?????

That is not in the game anyway it seems like everyone thinks this should be like Midnight Club.
 
trk29
What would be the purpose in putting your stock door handles back on anyway, to make your car uncool back before you made it cool?????

That is not in the game anyway it seems like everyone thinks this should be like Midnight Club.
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:dunce:
Are we even talking about the same thing?

I buy a car, and I add a turbo and a stage 1 engine tune. I want to join a race that has a hp limit that my car exceeds. I can remove the turbo with the click of a button, but I can't remove the engine tuning at all, ever.

What does this have to do with door handles or other racing games or "cool" cars?
 
Surely these mods (IRL) wouldn't be reversed anyway?

i.e. lets replace all the internal fabric and nasty heavy seats, oh while we're at it get me a stock engine, we've bored this one out too much!!? oh and slap on the steel shocks, i think they're in a land fill site about 150 miles away.
 
geoffmallan
Surely these mods (IRL) wouldn't be reversed anyway?

i.e. lets replace all the internal fabric and nasty heavy seats, oh while we're at it get me a stock engine, we've bored this one out too much!!? oh and slap on the steel shocks, i think they're in a land fill site about 150 miles away.
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I still fail to see how this is a valid answer. In real life, if I wanted to, I could. In GT5 I can't, except on some of the upgrades where they decided I could. Doesn't make much sense.
 
geoffmallan
while we're at it get me a stock engine, we've bored this one out too much!!? oh and slap on the steel shocks, i think they're in a land fill site about 150 miles away.
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You seriously think that you couldn't do that?

And what does a land fill have to do with anything? When you take a cap off a water bottle, does it fall into a black hole? Or does it stay with you until you throw it away? I'm sure car parts do the same. I'm also sure that the manufacturer of the car can give you parts.

trk29
What would be the purpose in putting your stock door handles back on anyway, to make your car uncool back before you made it cool?????

That is not in the game anyway it seems like everyone thinks this should be like Midnight Club.
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The race you're trying to enter requires stock body work. I doubt Midnight Club would take such simulation aspects into account.
 
freedomweasel
I still fail to see how this is a valid answer. In real life, if I wanted to, I could. In GT5 I can't, except on some of the upgrades where they decided I could. Doesn't make much sense.
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Please tell me your just being pedantic? You just wouldn't ever return a tuned car to stock, you'd buy another stock car?
 
Exorcet
You seriously think that you couldn't do that?

And what does a land fill have to do with anything? When you take a cap off a water bottle, does it fall into a black hole? Or does it stay with you until you throw it away? I'm sure car parts do the same. I'm also sure that the manufacturer of the car can give you parts.



The race you're trying to enter requires stock body work. I doubt Midnight Club would take such simulation aspects into account.
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The old shocks are in a land fill because you threw them away.
 
geoffmallan
The old shocks are in a land fill because you threw them away.
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It seems like you didn't read my post.

In any case, they aren't. GT5 puts them in your parts inventory. Nothing is stopping someone from holding on to their old parts after changing them out. And, as I also said, the manufacturer has infinity of the shocks to give you.
 

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