Nurburgring 24h/4h should be accessible for the casual players!

[Luminis]

this thread doesn't bother me. people with 200+ posts that don't understand the concept of reducing clutter by posting in the correct section do. If you want some valuable input here it is; "go grind because you're wasting YOUR breath creating a thread about something that we both know ISN'T going to be fixed any time soon." Also it's ironic that you say you can drive the ring in the pitch dark any way you want to, because you CAN'T

. I'm not gonna stop you from unlocking it, but PD and your lack of skill will.

You know, if the OP is anything like me, he's probably doing just that. Grinding. B-Spec grinding gives you a lot of time to post on GTP.

 

[s32]

 

[digitalic]

this thread doesn't bother me. people with 200+ posts that don't understand the concept of reducing clutter by posting in the correct section do. If you want some valuable input here it is; "go grind because you're wasting YOUR breath creating a thread about something that we both know ISN'T going to be fixed any time soon." Also it's ironic that you say you can drive the ring in the pitch dark any way you want to, because you CAN'T

. I'm not gonna stop you from unlocking it, but PD and your lack of skill will.

No, obviously you are, cause if you truly weren't bothered you wouldn't be here in the first place. The more you respond with your useless replies the more it shows how much this bothers you.

How am I not posting this in the correct section. Are you a moderator on here? No, didn't think so. FYI I have been grinding for the past week and still currently am. I'm not wasting anything because obviously there are others on here who feel the same.

I've driven in the ring in the dark because you can if you create your own room and select the track and input the time. Again coming up with idiotic assumptions with nothing productive to add. Need i say more?

Nice, another one of those childish and well thought out "picture" responses. What's next, are you going to say or post an image of with "You Mad?" displayed on it? :/

 

[s32]

Pathetic post here tbh. 👎

People who aren't used to the track need to practice on it, but can't practice on it until they unlock it. They can't unlock until they are proficient at the track, but can't get proficient until they unlock it and practice on it, but can't unlock it until they attain gold, but can't get gold until they practice, but can't practice for gold until it is unlocked. ETCETERA.

Nurburgring was unlocked from the beginning on GT4. This was probably because of driving mission #34, and the amount of practice the average gamer would need to pass it, as well as for licenses IA15 + S16. I don't understand why this time around it is locked at the beginning.

if you can't unlock the basic nurburgring with bronzes, you REALLY don't deserve it

 

[Greycap]

I think its the right descision. If someone playing the game can't drive at a decent race pace around the Nurburgring then how on earth is that person supposed to race a 24hr/4hr race on the track? Bear in mind that the 24hr version includes night, and the Nurburgring at night is a totally different experience.

Pretty much this. It's like FPS or platform games (I bet we've all played them at some point), you're not allowed to wander around the final level without making your way there first by clearing everything before it. If you're unable to do it, well, such is life, you wouldn't stand much chance there anyway in that case.

 

[s32]

No, obviously you are, cause if you truly weren't bothered you wouldn't be here in the first place. The more you respond with your useless replies the more it shows how much this bothers you.

How am I not posting this in the correct section. Are you a moderator on here? No, didn't think so. FYI I have been grinding for the past week and still currently am. I'm not wasting anything because obviously there are others on here who feel the same.

I've driven in the ring in the dark because you can if you create your own room and select the track and input the time. Again coming up with idiotic assumptions with nothing productive to add. Need i say more?

So what are you trying to accomplish by posting this thread?
also glad to hear that some others agree with me
btw i wasn't trying to be rude. just stating the facts. seems like someone is hot and bothered though.

 

[RikkiGT-R]

if you can't unlock the basic nurburgring with bronzes, you REALLY don't deserve it

I have silver and gold on them all. But I don't agree with the principle.

 

[tinram]

There is nothing to fix, it's part of the game.

I have taken countless hours trying to complete the Loeb challenge to get my WRC car, should this be fixed too?

What about me accepting that i won't be getting the Top Gear track in arcade anytime soon because i cannot beat the first top gear challenge. Should this be fixed too?

Nothing to fix here, move along.

 

[digitalic]

Well then maybe they shouldn't advertise the game with 70 tracks or 20 tracks with so and so amount of variations. What's the point if you won't ever get to access them.

 

[Tharain]

lol...

I mean you have to be skilled enough for some tracks... i dont have any problems with that... otherwise race the other tracks, they're challenging aswell

 

[Arklight]

The elitest and pretentious jerks in this thread are pathetic.

PD locked these tracks and whatnot because the game is so lacking in content they have to drag out the process of game progression so people don't move on in a week. Same reason for the stupid leveling requirements.

 

[Scaff]

So what are you trying to accomplish by posting this thread?
also glad to hear that some others agree with me
btw i wasn't trying to be rude. just stating the facts. seems like someone is hot and bothered though.

Well I'm slightly bothered by your attitude for one thing.

See you PM in-box for a formal warning regarding that.

If you are going to discuss a topic with other members then you will do so in a polite and respectful manner. If you can't manage that then please don't bother posting.

Everyone. Keep this polite or I will lock it and I will be handing out some more warnings and/or infractions.


Scaff

 

[Luminis]

Meh, this thread may not accomplish anything in terms of changing the game, but it sure gives a nice impression on what kind of individuals the GT community consists of.

 

[UK-Gamer]

It is all about practice, all bronze is easy, and all I need to get gold is more ba.... guts. I lift at some points because the track is soo daunting, I'll get back to it when I've hit a brick wall though.

It is not unfair, ....a game for the casual... no. I came to GT a rookie and am now a decent racer. Soon I'll probably be very good. You don't pick up the game and complete it in a week, it has longetivity. That is why you cannot review the game in a month.

 

[s32]

Sorry for any negativity brought to the thread. My original question still lingers though, how is this thread any different than the heaps of other suggestion threads that get locked? Also, in regards to your question about why they advertise 70 tracks in the game digitalic, it is the same with cars. It would take hundreds of hours to unlock every car, which is quite unattainable for someone of low to average skill.

 

[tinram]

Well then maybe they shouldn't advertise the game with 70 tracks or 20 tracks with so and so amount of variations. What's the point if you won't ever get to access them.

Would you like version that says "for casual gamers with less tracks" and another for "hardcore drivers with more tracks", guess what everybody would get?

It's there so you can slowly learn and get rewards as you go. This is how i learned/practiced my left foot braking that later i used for real-life autocross events, now my left is way more precise than my right.

 

[doctorandrew]

If you want to play it, you could play it online by going to the open lobby.

 

[Wolfe]

As someone who has been familiar with the Nordschleife since PGR2, driven it in nearly every game in which it has appeared, and driven it in real life on a Touristfahren day, it was rather annoying that I had to "familiarize" myself with the track and slog through challenges just to be able to use it as I please.

I can agree with the sentiment that the challenges are not "impossible" (I golded all of them with the DS3 except the last set, because I hadn't leveled up enough yet), but the perfection demanded for gold is a little ridiculous, IMO. Like a lot of the challenges, particularly license tests, gold goes beyond "competent car control" and into the realm of "random lucky 0.5 second that you'll never learn from because you don't know what you did differently."

 

[iinsom00]

I believe the version you unlock (bronze) is the version they have done all the gtr+zr1 timetrials on. So you're not missing much in the 24h config.

 

[Barra333]

OK, here's my 2c on the matter -

I am happy for some tracks to be locked from the start of the game, such as the Top Gear track and the various incarnations of the Nurburgring. This make you work for them, and feel a sense of accomplishment when you do get to drive them.
BUT, I think it is a bit sadistic to make people gold the AMG challenge to unlock the track. The bronze times are really easy (~50% more time allowed in some cases), and most people should be able to get a silver time without too much trouble - they are still pretty generous IMO.
In my opinion, a fair system would be
- Bronze on beginner = Nordschleife
- Silver on beginner = 4hr config
- Silver on intermediate = 24hr config

This would make the 'casual' gamer work a little for it, but still be an attainable goal. That still leaves the gold times for those who want to challenge themselves/complete the game without alienating people who just want to go for a drive.

 

[Verbal]

The Nordschleife itself should be very easily unlocked even for the "casual" gamer. The VLN config is pretty manageable as well, so basically the fuzz is about the 24h version? It isn't even really all that different from the VLN version...

 

[regnar]

I'm seeing a lot of people in this thread saying this is easy to gold. How many that are golding this using a controllers. I'm using a controller and been playing this game since GT1,
I'm still struggling to knock off 4-5 seconds to get gold, silvered all events, keep trying though I don't know if I will ever get there with a controller.

 

[Barra333]

I'm seeing a lot of people in this thread saying this is easy to gold. How many that are golding this using a controllers. I'm using a controller and been playing this game since GT1,
I'm still struggling to knock off 4-5 seconds to get gold, silvered all events, keep trying though I don't know if I will ever get there with a controller.

I use a controller, and the only gold I dont have up to the end of the advanced challenges is the full lap on intermediate, which I was doing yesterday and missed out by .2sec before I had to turn it off.
Haven't unlocked the expert ones yet.

Keep trying!

 

[SagarisGTB]

You get the same thing on every game-related forum on the internet. There's a small but loud minority of gamers who need to shout about their superiority in video games because they think it's actually important in some way. The irony is that they're rarely the ones who actually excel at those games - those players, in my experience, rarely seem to bother with boasting.

What was I boasting about exactly? I admit I am not very good at GT5 and despite that I got all the golds in the intermediate AMG Driving School challenges. Not through my amazing skill or anything of that sort, but by sheer effort and learning from my mistakes. Of course my experience with the track and game helped. But that experience is a benefit and should be an advantage. Gran Turismo claims to be something of a simulator. It isn't supposed to be easy. A gamer should not pick this game up and expect to have everything unlocked to them within a few weeks. But if that gamer enjoys the game for it's core fundamentals, which are not the cars and tracks or the online and special events, but the driving itself, then that gamer will stick with it and eventually gain the experience to unlock these supposedly 'impossible' challenges.

I myself had no hope of unlocking the Nismo 400R and TRD 3000GT in GT1. The golds in the license tests were way out of my league. I didn't complain. I played the rest of the game and it was fun even though I was a very poor driver. I knew I had no right to these cars at my level and that certain element of the game were reserved for the more skilled drivers.

The 24H version of the Nurburgring is such a reward. A reward for the more experienced or skilled players and not particularly meant for the 'casual' player. The regular Nurburgring Nordschleife is more accessible, needing only the bronzes which are very achievable. This regular version also has day/night and weather, I believe. If those bronze trophies cannot be achieved, I would conclude said driver is not putting enough effort into the game. This game came out less than a month ago. We still have years until GT6 comes out and so the 'casual' gamer has that amount of time to conquer these challenges. Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

[apex28del]

I guess the issue here is really about the dependence of unlockables on PD's lovely newfound 'missions' as opposed to races within the normal scope of the game; am I right?

R89C in GT4? Lovely car. Sure wish I could drive it EVER. M34

 

[CSLACR]

What this thread is, is 50% morons.
Just because it's "soooooo easy" for - """understand this""" - people enthused enough by this series to JOIN a forum to talk about the game when they're not playing it - Does NOT mean it's "easy", nor does it mean it's "pretty easy".

It means a very small percentage of GT fanatics find this easy, most of which use wheels, and those that don't, are some of the best in the world with a controller.

Content that is paid for should not have to be endlessly worked for.
It doesn't mean a foolish programmer isn't allowed to make people slave for it, or exempt all but the minute top 10% of players from being able to achieve the feats to unlock it, it means they're stupid to.
This is why NFS series still does so well, people who aren't that good, or don't want to play 1600 hours of car racing don't want Gran Turismo.

And before the dumbest comments "then they don't have to buy it" roll in, remind yourself who it is - the elitist, or the casual that pays for the majority of the goodness that is and has been the GT series. And ask yourself if you really think 500,000 copies are enough to fund PD in creating GT6.

 

[Verbal]

This is why NFS series still does so well, people who aren't that good, or don't want to play 1600 hours of car racing don't want Gran Turismo.

And yet they complain that GT5 isn't as easy as NFS
It's indeed a fine line they have to walk - catering to the more "serious" gamers (now that's a phrase to think about) without scaring off the "casual" people. With all the tons of assists and simplified physics available I think GT5 is pretty tuneable. In Arcade and Online there's tons of stuff to do without even having started one single A-Spec event. But there needs to be some reward for those who are able and willing to put more time into it, or why else shouldn't anyone bother. What would be the point of turning this into just another NFS?

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

I'm not one of the best in the world with controller hands down, i know lots of people beat me but I still can manage easy win in nearly everything in A-spec/special event, the only thing that gives me hard time atm is X-1. AMG academy I dont have all gold but I know that if I spend some time on it I'll get it. And I really dont see myself as an elite driver.

However I can understand your point, it's kind of bad for an everyone's game (5 million copy means for me that not only racing fan bought it but everyone) that not everyone can get bronze. I mean bronze should be gettable not by hardcore player like me (even if I'm not one of the best player I recognize I play too much lol) and I fear that GT5 has set the level too high especially in the later level.

For example my bro bought it but I doubt he'll make even 50% of the game because it's too complicated and not really fun.

 

[X-Power]

I'm going to offer my opinion on this.

Unlockables are a basic rule of gaming. I think the way GT5 handles it is perfectly fair, players who are able to achieve bronze can still enjoy Nordschleife and GP but players who are dedicated to the game and work hard to achieve gold get to enjoy Nurburgring 24H. If your driving skills aren't quite good enough then you need to practice as much as you can and improve your driving skills. You need to work for that track, it's a reward not an entitlement. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh but it's the truth. If everything was unlocked from the start then the game would get boring fast, you would have nothing to work towards. I thought I would never gold the B, A and IC licenses but I worked hard and eventually got my reward cars. You just need to work for that track, that's what the point of that challenge is... it helps you improve your driving.

I hope that post wasn't too harsh, I tried to make it as friendly as possible but I did need to get my point across.

 

[trk29]

if you can't unlock the basic nurburgring with bronzes, you REALLY don't deserve it

If you can not use punctuation and capitalization correctly you don't deserve to post in here.

Listen, the OP has a valid point. I have yet to unlock the 24hr but I have unlocked the 4hr. I don't even know the difference because I haven't got to play the 24hr version yet. So until I have unlocked it, it is a mystery what it looks like and it shouldn't be.

Friend comes over to play some split screen in Arcade "I want to play the 24hr version with you", "Sorry man I don't have it unlocked yet" but yet you can use any car from psp to play in Arcade which I might add are not unlocked through single player on GT5 but yet you can use them.