Nurburgring in under 7 minutes: Project ITR

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Nurburgring in under 7 minutes: Project ITR
That may sound easy to alot of you but I'm struggling to achieve it in a Honda Integra Type R DC5.
The Car is modified as far as GT4 will allow running on R5s and Original suspension not including wing or nitrous.

The Settings:
6/4 Brake Balance

12.8/11.8 Springs
90/90 Ride Height
6/6 Damper
2.0/1.0 Camber
0/0 Toe
4/6 Stabilizers

Full Transmission is left unchanged

10/30/15 LSD

Project ITR is near brillant on the high speed sections but a bit unsettled in the twistier parts of circuit, particularly after the Karussell.
On this setting I can do about a 7'14 but I've done a 7'08 in the ITR on a forgotten setting (should really write those down) and pretty certain I can achieve under 7 minutes. So could you guys give me some suggestions on how I could achieve this goal?
 
I have some spare time at the moment, so I'm going to give it a shot and post my results and settings afterwards. Am I right in saying that everything apart from a wing and nitrous is allowed?
 
After some test laps, I think that a time under 7 minutes is possible. However, I haven't found the optimal setup yet. The car still is too bouncy and therefor loses time all over the Ring. I'm slowly getting there though, I'll keep you updated.
topgeardude
I'll try,but if i go off track once,i'll consider this project a failure.
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Am I getting this right? If you can not do it, the project is a failure?
 
It is possible, but you've got to soften the suspension quite a bit to get the car at least a bit grippy, and you need to make a clean lap. The lack of downforce really is a problem though, cause you need to get all the grip out of the suspension, which is hard at times.
 
the Interceptor
It is possible, but you've got to soften the suspension quite a bit to get the car at least a bit grippy, and you need to make a clean lap. The lack of downforce really is a problem though, cause you need to get all the grip out of the suspension, which is hard at times.
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My thoughts exactly.

topgeardude
OK,I will say i may have done it but i may have not done it.there
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I cannot believe the sheer immaturity of what you are saying. I also cannot believe that you lied about your achievement in a thread that is in no way a competition. This sort of behaviour does nothing for the reputation of GTP. I might have been fairly interested in taking part in this, but I may well elect not to in protest of your behaviour.

DE
 
@ topgeardude: I know you're only 12 years old, but you should understand that this isn't just fun or something. If you keep posting false times (as it seems you did before), you'll quickly loose all the respect you were trying to gain.


@ topic: I did it. It was a piece of work though...

Finding a working setup isn't that hard if you've understood which way to go. The problem, as stated before, is that all the grip you have comes from the tires, because there's no extra wing for downforce. The tires generally are very grippy, so you set the car up to work fine with that. But the moment you start to slide, because you just went too fast, hit a curb or the grass or simply were braking, the grip ratios totally change in an instant, and you easily lose all the grip and spin or slide out inevitably. This effect is very harsh in this car/track/setup constellation, so it was some work to get a clean lap together.
This is not perfect though, it's just enough for this purpose. I'm not a very quick Ring driver, so others may go much quicker than I did.

Here's the laptime: 6:58.397

Parts:
- racing exhaust
- computer upgrade
- R5 tires all round
- original (tuner) turbine kit (= stage 5)
- racing brakes
- brake controller
- racing suspension (the original one is too hard)
- fully customizable transmission
- triple-plate clutch
- racing flywheel
- stage 3 weight reduction
- port polish
- enigne balancing
- rollcage
- oil change

Setup:
- brakes: 3/1
- suspension:
springs: 6.5/6.0
height: 115/115
dampers bound: 4/4
dampers rebound: 4/4
camber: 3.0/0.0
toe: 0/0
stabilizers: 4/4
- transmission: auto stays at 11, final to 3750
- driving aids: all to 0

Working out a setup, I noticed that the brakes are extremely good, which makes the front end snap under hard braking. So, I screwed them down to a level you can live with, which they still work very good at. The suspension had be be softened beyond the lower limits of the original (tuner) suspension for the Ring, so I fitted a racing one. The transmission was fairly easy, you just had to keep the short auto ratio, because the turbo upgrade (I personally wouldn't choose if this wasn't for the best laptime) gives you a very narrow top end-only powerband, which is crap to drive, but guarantees a high top speed. I didn't use driving aids at all, even if the wheels could easily spin in 2nd, and also in 3rd and 4th. Being easy on the accelerator cured that though. And I found out that the car is much less jerky and still doesn't understeer if you don't fit a LSD.

... and before topgeardude says:"Prove you really did that time!":



Regards
the Interceptor
 
topgeardude
You know,i'm reallllly starting to not like you guys,your way to hard about posting and stuff and need proof for everything.:grumpy: 👎
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That's funny because quite a few may well feel the same about you.

Its very, very easy to come on the web and make stuff up, you should know you have been caught doing it before.

Quite simply your inane and pointless posts an nothing to the thread and certainly nothing to GT Planet. If you don't like the way we do things around here then its quite simple, don't come here. The standards we lay down at GT Planet are high for a reason, we only want members who are going to build and strengthen the community as a whole, if you can't contribute in a good way then find the door before its shown to you.

You are now on you final chance here at GTP, one more AUP violation and your gone.

Scaff
 
Interceptor, thats really something you got going on there...:D

As for topgeardude, I hope he reregisters so that he gets banned again...:D :D
 
Thanks for most of the replies.:)
I probably forgot to mention that I'm using a N/A setup because its easier to control the torque so theres little wheel spin. I didn't install a wing because I needed to find the better suspension setup before I could set-up a wing. I was testing on a softer setup similar to Kent's guide and achieved a 7'09:xxx. I sure I can find 10 seconds :nervous:. I just have find a good line in the tighter corners.
 
BlitzR
I probably forgot to mention that I'm using a N/A setup because its easier to control the torque so theres little wheel spin.
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Yes, it would have helped to know that. I doubt that a below 7 time is doable with that though. Anything else I need to know before I make another approach? :sly:

EDIT: Okay, I did a couple of laps with an N/A setup (still without a wing) and a matched gearbox. I managed a 7:12 with a not perfect lap, so 7:09 seems good. I think that you can actually get this car unter 7 minutes with this setup, but it will take a lot of practice and many approaches. This drives so much better though...
 
And I get a fricken warning asking for that guy to be banned a couple of weeks ago ... I am better at the internets than the mods, winwinwin.

Oh and tuning can only get you so far, driving well will get you under the 7min mark k
 
|ncary
And I get a fricken warning asking for that guy to be banned a couple of weeks ago ... I am better at the internets than the mods, winwinwin.

Oh and tuning can only get you so far, driving well will get you under the 7min mark k
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No, you have received warnings and infractions (1 warning and two infractions to be exact) for constant posting of irrelevant messages, you've been asked to stop and warned of the consequences of not doing so. On top of that a constantly belligerent tone with the staff and total disregard for advice given to you leads me to believe you want to get banned.

Well you are one step away from that wish, any further AUP violation will see just that happen, and fair warning has been more than given. The choice rests with you.

Scaff
 
Back on topic, I have managed to get consistent 6:55s (fast lap I believe was a 6:52.6xx) in my fully modded Integra Type R on R3 and R2 staggered tires. :) If you would like the setup PM me and I can get it to you tommorow(or later today) or wait and I might be able to post it here later. 👍

(on a side note TopGearDude was getting a little annoying) :dunce:
 
BlitzR
I didn't install a wing because I needed to find the better suspension setup before I could set-up a wing.
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I think we should clear this up first. I also think that it's a false approach to the task to find a good setup without a wing and then add one. So do we go with or without?
 
the Interceptor is quite right, the wing will totally transform the handling characteristics of the car. If you are considering adding a wing, the best way to do it in my opinion is to add the wing, set it up to full downforce, set up your suspension, and then modify the wing as is required (if at all). Your suspension setup might be near-perfect for a standard downforce car, but when the wing is added it will change the handling in a big way.

Try it out with a wing, and do a bit of fiddling, and see if you want to keep it :)

DE
 
Good, because it will be much easier to squeeze out those last few seconds on the Ring with a little downforce on your side! :)
 
But that makes it so much less exciting... ;)

No, seriously, it's your project and whatever rules you lay down, I guess we'll go by them.

DE
 

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