Online Continues To Be A Frustrating Experience

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See you are just reiterating what the other guy did that caused my issue in the first place. If someone enters a room it is figured out by the settings they access from the various options - the track, the laps, the PP, BHP, weight, the grid order, the aids available etc. Why should the player have to ask what to run when the car they pick can Go To Track because it meets the regulations that have been set by the host after all.

Now of course there are times when you might want to create a specific type of race that the many options don't allow but it is no use if it is just in the mind of the host, it is surely up to him to communicate this to the room in a way it is guaranteed people at least can see and action accordingly. This is not babysitting, it's common sense and basic communication.

So if you are too lazy to be bothered to type it, instead relying on people a) listening and b) understanding your voice chat (itself presumptuous) then of course your rules are going to go astray. Even then, surely that would prompt you to type in the room NO RM OR RALLY when you see people have not got it and you have not really done much to help them get it in the first place.

Kicking them is a lazy solution to a problem you have caused by your lazyness. It's just bad hosting.

See heres the problem. First off as I said there is no way through regs to exclude all race cars/rally cars/etc. Theres always one that will fit in and people will always find it. Secondly I'm not defending the room host in your story at all, he very well may have just been lazy about telling you, but you ASSUMED he mumbled it on his mic when in reality he may have told you clearly but since you turned everything off then you wouldn't know. As a room host you know the game works in a certain way and everyone can hear you, YOU chose to turn off your mic so its YOUR responsibility to make sure you fit in the rules. As far as he knows you are just ignoring him and why should he have to cater to you?

Which brings me to my third point that I've been in tons and tons of rooms specifically marked "street cars" and "No RM or Race cars" which btw they only give you like 30 characters so its hard to fit all that in when you want to add an actual description. But anyway no matter the title people COMPLETELY ignore it. If hes a room host thats been around for a while he likely is tired of it and will just kick you for ignoring him, I don't blame him.

If you want to race in the guys room cut him a little slack and realize that just because you don't like to use a headset or listen to people doesn't mean they have to work around you. Its a nice feature that makes it much easier to set things up and discuss things before the race, as opposed to trying to type with a controller which is a frustrating waste of time. Maybe mute everyone then leave the room host unmuted so you can hear any changes in the race structure, especially if he has just changed the course and PP. Then mute him when he starts the race if it annoys you while driving.

I'm sorry but your view on this sounds completely selfish to me, JMO.
 
I turn mics off in the room because a lot of the rooms I join where mics are on there are people talking about everyday life (I'll assume they're friends irl) I go online to have a few races and the last thing I want to hear is people talking while trying to race. Nothing ignorant about it, just want to race in peace without having to hear people talk down the mic, it doesn't take much to say 'please change car' in text chat. Muting everyone but the host is sometimes the way I do it but it is tedious to hear the host talking about non game related stuff with other players (again probably irl friends or whatever). I don't think that's selfish to not want to listen to that crap? I find it annoying to type with the controller but if I'm hosting a room and someone is in a car they shouldn't be I will type and let them know, if they ignore after 3 asks, then kick. Simple as really.
 
I turn mics off in the room because a lot of the rooms I join where mics are on there are people talking about everyday life (I'll assume they're friends irl) I go online to have a few races and the last thing I want to hear is people talking while trying to race. Nothing ignorant about it, just want to race in peace without having to hear people talk down the mic, it doesn't take much to say 'please change car' in text chat. Muting everyone but the host is sometimes the way I do it but it is tedious to hear the host talking about non game related stuff with other players (again probably irl friends or whatever). I don't think that's selfish to not want to listen to that crap? I find it annoying to type with the controller but if I'm hosting a room and someone is in a car they shouldn't be I will type and let them know, if they ignore after 3 asks, then kick. Simple as really.

I don't see whats so hard for you to say "is a race car ok?" in text chat as opposed to the host having to chase down every race car instead of getting some free running in. Or maybe wait a couple minutes and see what cars the hosts and others are picking, if everyones in a street car... well, when in Rome.

I'm just saying its a two way street. You can't expect every host to hold your hand nor automatically expect that people can't hear him when the game defaults every room to him being on.
 
Good luck in finding a good host ! its hard work in GT5, thats why Im hosting a room every night! Everyone seem to be happy with my hosting rules! All rules just are based on real thing - all driver aids off, No cutting and when you ride on grass its Slipery and you get penalty (every host forgets about that you can set it to - REAL),tyre wear on, agressive drivers and kids are kicked, damage on, penalty on, medium amount of laps, tyres are very important for every car class. PP500 Sports: Soft.. etc. I notice with info all players before race! about rules and restrictions if there are any!

Simple rules, that every host should know!

For those who like to fool around and play with driver aids there are area like "race for fun" now.. mine is set to "race for real"
 
The game defaulting mics on is another annoying feature, well maybe not so much the most annoying aspect is the fact that the voices load first (a lot of the time the room dc's before I even get to the race screen) I just wonder why it's loaded that way instead of loading the room and then the mics after the room and track has been loaded.

And yeah it's a two way street but nothing worse than typing a message only to be completely blanked out by people (same when hosting), I avoid "mic only" rooms just like I avoid "real drivers only" rooms (how can you actually prove you're a real driver anyway?).

One other thing, why do people jump into clearly marked "Free run, no races" rooms and say "HOST RACE" and so on? It clearly says no racing.
 
This is upsetting, you people are complaining about things that can be remedied by having a friends list of like minded players, you all are on GTP swap ID's and find out times and get to racing. I avoid the open lobby because there are just too many people who do not know how to act, I found many good drivers to race against but I have no need to visit open lobbies any more.

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You have the power to make your game enjoyable, don't assume some one else will do that for you. The world is filled with all sorts of people, you unfortunately have to deal with cowards who do nonsense over and internet connection, but you can find people who are focused on having fun and fairly so.

Host need not to be presumptuous and assume that everyone has a mic or wants to hear people talking when they are driving, be courteous type out what the rules are prior to the race, it won't kill you to do so. Stop making excuses for laziness, as a host you are expected to make things clear, and that means using both ways of communication, typing is the best since everyone can see it and read it.

PD doesn't need to set up rooms run by them, you people are getting a service for free, do you understand that? PD are getting no money from us to maintain anything, you should be glad that you are getting this much free support. A man doesn't know the value of something until it is taken away from him. We are all grown here, well the majority of us, don't sit there and complain get up and do something that can enhance your online experience. This isn't FM3 on Live, they pay for that and that is why they have it set up a certain way, this is GT5 on PSN. Adapt or just stop playing, this complaining is crazy. Things that we can do ourselves we don't want to, why because you aren't used to it? Remember GT5 is free to play online...don't go expecting the world from free. It's very robust for something that is free mind you. Now how about we all start using GTP for what it was made for, finding like minded racers to race against. /Rant over.

Sorry about that guys, I just felt that I had to get that out.
 
when i host, and when i don't want rc/rm cars my rooms are clearly marked as such. sometimes people forget or don't pay attn, so they get ONE friendly suggestion to change their car. if it's ignored, they get the boot. i'm not babysitting.

as for mics, sometimes there's (l)users on -- they get muted but I leave the host on in case he's got something important to say.
 
Does the vote to kick host or another racer work? I've tried it a few times on people driving backwards on tracks but it dosen't seem to work.
So far, ive found shuffle races to have the best clean and close racing. Everyone gets a random car and you race. Only problem is the majority of the cars are low powered but the racing is good (which is what i want from online). However be careful of spectating on the shuffle races. If you do, the game will freeze and you have to quit. Haven't checked it after the 1.07 update though. They may have fixed it.
 
Does the vote to kick host or another racer work? I've tried it a few times on people driving backwards on tracks but it dosen't seem to work.
So far, ive found shuffle races to have the best clean and close racing. Everyone gets a random car and you race. Only problem is the majority of the cars are low powered but the racing is good (which is what i want from online). However be careful of spectating on the shuffle races. If you do, the game will freeze and you have to quit. Haven't checked it after the 1.07 update though. They may have fixed it.

Totally agree. Shuffle races are the theere are because it is primarily based on skill. Now only if they would broaden the types of cars we can get.
 
Totally agree. Shuffle races are the theere are because it is primarily based on skill. Now only if they would broaden the types of cars we can get.



Interesting perspective. I would argue that it's luck of the draw. You know, getting the car the suits your driving style and happens to be geared correctly for the current track. I think shuffle races could be better, if the game allowed you to tune the car's suspension and drivetrain.
 
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Interesting perspective. I would argue that it's luck of the draw. You know, getting the car the suits your driving style and happens to be geared correctly for the current track. I think shuffle races could be better, if the game allowed you to tune the car's suspension and drivetrain.

I disagree, I like shuffle because the cars are completely stock. Making tunes can seriously alter the performance. of the car and give the guy who is a better tuner but not neccesarily the better driver wins. It is based off of luck, but usually the cars are usually always equal.
 
I disagree, I like shuffle because the cars are completely stock. Making tunes can seriously alter the performance. of the car and give the guy who is a better tuner but not neccesarily the better driver wins. It is based off of luck, but usually the cars are usually always equal.


We're talking about GT5 here, not the real world. I only said that, to say. In GT5, better tuner = better driver. You can't be a good driver, if your car does not respond the way that you want it to. I see your point though, I'm just not a fan of the current shuffle race setup. I can't even use the session to gather useful information in order to improve my car.
 
You can increase the range of cars that are chosen via increasing the 'shuffle point' or something along those lines. The problem with this is, one person will get a higher powered car such as a 'Peugeot 406 coupe ' and someone else will be stuck in a '1985 city turbo'. I know since i was that someone else.
I'm sure there is more similarly matched cars that PD could throw in there though. Got an 1997 Alfa romeo spider a few days ago but never did it justice. I got held up in the pack in my defence.
 
You can increase the range of cars that are chosen via increasing the 'shuffle point' or something along those lines. The problem with this is, one person will get a higher powered car such as a 'Peugeot 406 coupe ' and someone else will be stuck in a '1985 city turbo'. I know since i was that someone else.
I'm sure there is more similarly matched cars that PD could throw in there though. Got an 1997 Alfa romeo spider a few days ago but never did it justice. I got held up in the pack in my defence.

The few times I've done shuffle I've gotten cars that were either far crappier or far better than my competition. Thats just not fun.
 
The few times I've done shuffle I've gotten cars that were either far crappier or far better than my competition. Thats just not fun.

I think it also depends on who your racing against. For example yesterday i got the 'Mitsubishi GTO sl - non turbo one', which i've raced many times and finished near the back with 90% of the time.
Yesterday i got the same car again and won the race on suzuka easily against 8 others, even though i had spun out many times over 5 laps. There were also two others racing the exact same car as me and they must have finished at least 15 seconds behind. To be fair to them though Suzuka doesn't get chosen online as often as other tracks, so it may be the last time i've ever win again with that car.

Overall, though ive had many close races. Got a few replays of them too, i think.
 
Online needs major work.

I'm tired of everyone freaking out "omg omg black screen" when a black screen happens every time, it's called loading!! So PD, how about putting a little "loading" symbol so all the ignoramus' shut up?

More shuffle race options, and more cars (Honestly, why isn't every car in the game included?

One make races - Again, why can't every car in the game be an option? It would be nice to tune them as well (Albeit just brake balance, or downforce, and everything else for race cars)

Fix the loading times. They are the most inconsistent loading times I've ever seen. Especially on first join, I could wait anywhere from 30 seconds to 3 minutes and almost quit game because I think it might've frozen.

Fix disconnects. Happens randomly, to anyone anywhere. (I can't play with my router connected because it ALWAYS disconnects, ethernet straight to PS3 for me)

Please, next to the room ID in the top left corner, put the current car restrictions for the race. The restrictions tab just slows you down, having yet another menu just to check restrictions.

BIG GRIPE - RACE QUALITY

Ok, this feature was obviously implemented for people with low-bandwidth internet. Yet everyone seems to think the game is less "buggy" with race quality turned down. WTF.

Race quality is dire to the outcome of a race. Everyone wants a "clean" race. It is pretty much impossible to have a clean race with cars jittering/teleporting from one spot to another. Especially when you're racing next to one, and BOOM, you fly past first place and into a wall at 200mph in a Midget because one guy is losing packets.

Bottom line, USE 5 STAR RACE QUALITY! Unless you have dial up internet, there is NO REASON to turn the race quality down.

And PD, default to 5 stars! Seriously, I'm kind of mad nobody chooses high quality races. I've been in maybe one room the whole time I've ever played this game that was high quality. Seriously, if your internet sucks, you aren't going to do any better in a "lower" quality room. So PD, either default to 5, or get rid of it all together!
 
Sorry but I have to repeat and I will repeat it again!If you want to enjoy playing online you should do it with you're friends or with you're GT-Community in the private lounge!No way you can make a good and clean race in the lobby's,No way!
 
See heres the problem. First off as I said there is no way through regs to exclude all race cars/rally cars/etc. Theres always one that will fit in and people will always find it. Secondly I'm not defending the room host in your story at all, he very well may have just been lazy about telling you, but you ASSUMED he mumbled it on his mic when in reality he may have told you clearly but since you turned everything off then you wouldn't know. As a room host you know the game works in a certain way and everyone can hear you, YOU chose to turn off your mic so its YOUR responsibility to make sure you fit in the rules. As far as he knows you are just ignoring him and why should he have to cater to you?

Which brings me to my third point that I've been in tons and tons of rooms specifically marked "street cars" and "No RM or Race cars" which btw they only give you like 30 characters so its hard to fit all that in when you want to add an actual description. But anyway no matter the title people COMPLETELY ignore it. If hes a room host thats been around for a while he likely is tired of it and will just kick you for ignoring him, I don't blame him.

If you want to race in the guys room cut him a little slack and realize that just because you don't like to use a headset or listen to people doesn't mean they have to work around you. Its a nice feature that makes it much easier to set things up and discuss things before the race, as opposed to trying to type with a controller which is a frustrating waste of time. Maybe mute everyone then leave the room host unmuted so you can hear any changes in the race structure, especially if he has just changed the course and PP. Then mute him when he starts the race if it annoys you while driving.

I'm sorry but your view on this sounds completely selfish to me, JMO.

You are right in as much as it is impossible for a host who wants very detailed criteria to specify those using the parameters available, so once more, surely the onus is on them to over communicate what are after all purely his wishes. It is not the responsibility of everyone in the room to continually say Will this do, Will this do. And as I said in my OP, we had just come from a race where everyone was in RM cars so it's not as if there was any precedent for sudden change that could have been anticipated.

If this thread is representative of GT players as a whole it tells us that a lot of people mute mics because they are bloody annoying. You don't seem to appreciate this at all, indeed there are several points you don't really answer.

1) Many people mute mics
2) Some people don't mute mics but the sound from some mics is muffled and inaudible so they couldn't
3) Some people don't mute mics but the host might be speaking in a foreign language they do not understand anyway.
4) While agreeing you can't set very precise parameters, surely when you decide on a PP race you are by extension certainly suggesting that anything goes as there is not necessarily an advantage to be gained from an RM car anyway. If not why not pick BHP and Weight.
5) As a number of people say on this thread, if someone picks a car that you don't want in your race then a mention or warning in the room to advise them and yes, if they ignore you then kick them.

So for the final time, as much as you insist that the onus should be on the player rather than the host I think you are really quite wrong. The host should be trying to build a solid room full of people who stay for a while and won't just drop out if a race is going badly or they don't like the criteria of a race. This comes about invariably in a room where a host communicates strongly, not like this guy or you by extension because of your willingness to defend him I'm afraid.
 
Hey jcmc, I would like to point out that when a player doesn't have a mic equipped, the option to mute is greyed out in their pop-up menu. So if it's not greyed out, even if they're silent at the moment, they have a mic. I usually leave the mics on, but if there are a number of people playing music, yelling, or speaking in a language I don't understand, I mute ALL the mics in the room using this method to find the 'silent' mics.
I rarely mute the hosts mic, though. Only if they are annoying (and then I usually just leave the room).
 
I've been running with a dedicated league since the prologue days. It's just about a waste of time to try and venture out in to public races.

I get to race as many as 4 times a week, in a full room, with like-minded drivers who are all playing by the same rules, and that's just the official sanctionned events. There's also test and tune sessions going on on non race nights. The only strangers I race with are people that are new to our league.

It's GT the way I've always wanted it.
 
Is there a particular time that is better than others? I struggle with listening to the children that play between 1530 and 1730 EST. A PSN age restriction would be welcome, even though that is easily circumvented.
 
If he or you are too lazy or too dopey to communicate what you want with a race in a manner everyone is guaranteed to see then you are not really up to the not very hard job of hosting.

Well, with that attitude you will never stop having frustrating experiences, i would kick you instantly

you mute the host because you don't want to hear him and you say he is lazy because he doesn't write so you can know if you can use race cars??? come on, you are not doing a very good job at being a player, don't mute him, see what the others are using, or just ask! 💡 or you are too lazy or too dopey to ask?
 
You are right in as much as it is impossible for a host who wants very detailed criteria to specify those using the parameters available, so once more, surely the onus is on them to over communicate what are after all purely his wishes. It is not the responsibility of everyone in the room to continually say Will this do, Will this do. And as I said in my OP, we had just come from a race where everyone was in RM cars so it's not as if there was any precedent for sudden change that could have been anticipated.

If this thread is representative of GT players as a whole it tells us that a lot of people mute mics because they are bloody annoying. You don't seem to appreciate this at all, indeed there are several points you don't really answer.

1) Many people mute mics
2) Some people don't mute mics but the sound from some mics is muffled and inaudible so they couldn't
3) Some people don't mute mics but the host might be speaking in a foreign language they do not understand anyway.
4) While agreeing you can't set very precise parameters, surely when you decide on a PP race you are by extension certainly suggesting that anything goes as there is not necessarily an advantage to be gained from an RM car anyway. If not why not pick BHP and Weight.
5) As a number of people say on this thread, if someone picks a car that you don't want in your race then a mention or warning in the room to advise them and yes, if they ignore you then kick them.

So for the final time, as much as you insist that the onus should be on the player rather than the host I think you are really quite wrong. The host should be trying to build a solid room full of people who stay for a while and won't just drop out if a race is going badly or they don't like the criteria of a race. This comes about invariably in a room where a host communicates strongly, not like this guy or you by extension because of your willingness to defend him I'm afraid.

We are just gonna keep talking in circles it seems. You don't seem to understand that you believe its the hosts job to sit there and cater to every single player in the room as if he were paid to be there. Hes there to play just like you, and yes he should make some effort to communicate freely, but he doesn't KNOW you turned off your mic, he can't tell. I can't fathom why you can't bring it upon yourself to check whats ok, or maybe wait a minute or so to see what everyone else is driving, or ASK. You honestly are sounding spoiled at this point!

Lets answer your points

1) so what, whether or not they mute their mic is irrelevant, its their choice
2) again, so what, if you didn't hear or understand it, ASK.
3) so then AGAIN, ASK. "sorry I don't speak spanish, can you tell me what is going on in this room?"
4) have you ever played this game? RM car's shellac street cars given the same driver every time, they have more downforce, front downforce options, more suspension adjustability, aside from the game taking in the cars real life geometry and weight distribution.
5) because you choose to shut off microphones, why should the host need to go out of his way to help you. you want it off YOU ask. If you don't then face the consequences. When you were in school did you just plug your ears when the teacher gave out homework then the next day when asked why you didn't do it you said "I didn't hear it sorry".

You really need to get off your high horse in expecting a room host to be some sort of race moderating god, and realize hes just a player like you that just wants to get a race going.

Well, with that attitude you will never stop having frustrating experiences, i would kick you instantly

you mute the host because you don't want to hear him and you say he is lazy because he doesn't write so you can know if you can use race cars??? come on, you are not doing a very good job at being a player, don't mute him, see what the others are using, or just ask! 💡 or you are too lazy or too dopey to ask?

Exactly
 
from what I experience online...there are two types of players....the racing simulator players....and the other is the arcade racer players....sadly the arcade racer players are more....
 
Sorry but I have to repeat and I will repeat it again!If you want to enjoy playing online you should do it with you're friends or with you're GT-Community in the private lounge!No way you can make a good and clean race in the lobby's,No way!

And you're completely wrong. I've found 3 open rooms that are running most days with real good people who race fair and clean.
 
Well, with that attitude you will never stop having frustrating experiences, i would kick you instantly

you mute the host because you don't want to hear him and you say he is lazy because he doesn't write so you can know if you can use race cars??? come on, you are not doing a very good job at being a player, don't mute him, see what the others are using, or just ask! 💡 or you are too lazy or too dopey to ask?

You really haven't read anything I have written over a number of posts on this thread have you. Either that or you haven't taken it in.
 
We are just gonna keep talking in circles it seems. You don't seem to understand that you believe its the hosts job to sit there and cater to every single player in the room as if he were paid to be there. Hes there to play just like you, and yes he should make some effort to communicate freely, but he doesn't KNOW you turned off your mic, he can't tell. I can't fathom why you can't bring it upon yourself to check whats ok, or maybe wait a minute or so to see what everyone else is driving, or ASK. You honestly are sounding spoiled at this point

<sigh>
How many more people on this thread or others need to tell you they mute their mic for a variety of good reasons. Why do you then assume it is a good way to get a message across?

And once again, why should I have to check my car is ok when it fits the PP of the room and is following on from a race where RM cars were fine. I have seen no room where all the players ask permission for a certain car to run, that is ridiculous. He has particular requirements that run contrary to the room criteria, fine, he makes sure that message gets across. At worst he let's people know if they transgress. He didn't, he was lazy and ignorant and it seems he is not alone there as this wilful sod them attitude seems what you are all about too unfortunately.

And your comments on RM cars always beating non RM cars are just nonsense. I was racing Monza last night and what the Ferraris and Lambos lose on downforce they gain back in acceleration and top speed. Wins were 50-50 over a number of races.
 
Well, with that attitude you will never stop having frustrating experiences, i would kick you instantly

you mute the host because you don't want to hear him and you say he is lazy because he doesn't write so you can know if you can use race cars??? come on, you are not doing a very good job at being a player, don't mute him, see what the others are using, or just ask! 💡 or you are too lazy or too dopey to ask?

People shouldn't speak! They should always write.

There are deaf players out there like me who prefer texts.
 
I too prefere hosts that write the stuff because in my experience the sound quality of the mics people use is mostly horrendous and i can't undertand a word they are speaking (even though i'm not laging).
 
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