Online Continues To Be A Frustrating Experience

[frankygt-r]

Try japanese rooms they are awesome and fair

 

[DCAnan7]

Try japanese rooms they are awesome and fair

I was just going to post about this, i would be prepared to bet one of my children that the majority of issues posted in this thread are pretty much non existant in Japanese hosted rooms (if my experiences playing mmorpgs are anything to go by). Unfortunately for alot of us its just not often possible due to lag, the language barrier can also be a problem but having said that common sense goes a long way in this game.

My only solution is to host your own room, clearly label it (i.e DTM, JPGT ONLY) and put CLEAN RACING on it. When i host i always try not to keep people hanging around too long wondering whats going on, i type up how long the next race will be and i try to be flexible with the odd regulation or track requests, otherwise i just do my own thing and choose what i think will be fun and fair.

Now if you turn up in a room labelled DTM ONLY CLEAN RACING with any other car and refuse to change it you will get kicked, if you abuse me you will be kicked, if you constantly swear or use racist or homophobic language you will be kicked, if you drive like you are at a demolition derby or generally act like a complete arse you will be kicked.

As others have said turing driver aids OFF and damage ON goes a long way to keeping decent drivers and losing clownish ones. I have no problems filling my rooms and having lots of fun races without feeling the need to babysit the hard of thinking. If that makes me a "bad host" then so be it.

 

[OK8]

Tyre limits! I only race in rooms with sports medium or worse tyre limit. The worse the tyres, the better the racers and the better the race.

I just with PD would implement a way of filtering non tyre limited rooms out. It's a pain to have to scroll through them all.

 

[Humphrey]

2) Rubbish hosts. I think it is important that a host communicates stuff with the room like time to race start etc. Tonight I had an example of an idiot host who really had no clue. I'll name him, his id is CJSpencer77 and he was hosting a PP room. I joined and did a race finishing a distant 7th from 8. Him and a few others in the room were rabbiting away to each other using mics which I mute, it's annoying and distracting to me. So he changes the PP and the course, I pick a Xsara Rally Car which fits the PP, Go To Track and am kicked out.

Now I'm really irritated by this as there was no reason for this. I send a pretty direct e-mail to this guy asking why it happens, he replies in an equally direct way telling me it was my fault for ignoring the rules, no RM or rally cars. The thing is this idiot must have mumbled this via his mic which I had of course muted. I had no idea he wanted other non officially specified stuff too. He was too lazy to type it in the room to let people know, had he done this I would have happily changed the car in those circumstances but instead because of his poor hosting I get kicked.

Second vote for this guy as a god awful host.

I joined his room a week or so ago and stuck to his rules. First race at Tsukuba first lap, I'm in 3rd, he's in 2nd, first corner I slip up the inside while he's fishtailing in his Beemer, at which point he hits me and starts on in his Mic about me 'ramming' him off track...

Second lap I manage to take 1st as the 1st place guy spins off at the 3rd corner with his lack of talent (although I'm no Ayrton Senna I have to add), to which CJSpencer77 starts again on his mic, mouthing off about how I must've rammed him off too.

So at the end of the race I'm kicked, cos I actually challenged him and his mates for the lead, I'll apologise if I hit someone due to late braking etc, but he's just a egocentric know all who likes to rule his kingdom and 'advise' everyone on how changing oil is critical, and not braking keeps speed up......... Ya think..?!

I asked why I was kicked via a private message, his reply was: "your cr*p mate"
My reply: "It's you're cr*p, not your.... if you can't handle competition don't race in a public room"


Fortunately I have a few German & Swiss GT buddies, plus a very talented Italian. It's always an incredibly close race night and always fair, I hope you find a nice racing home soon. 👍

 

[Tommy_861]

Hosts should not be able to kick people, it should all be done by vote.
I get kicked unfairly like other people have mentioned. I also hate it when I get kicked for not using a GT500 car and then I look up the car myself and know for a fact it was eligible under GT500 rules. This has happened to me many times. I have been kicked for using the McLaren race car. And for using a GT1 car when GT1 is GT500 eligible.

This doesn't make sense, where are you looking this up?

If I host a "GT500" room or see one to me that means JGTC/SuperGT GT500, which are cars that are just under 500 hp, Japanese (except the Nomad Diablo) etc. GT1 cars are far faster, and the McLaren F1 is 642 hp also making it way faster, so I don't see where your issue is. I would kick you too if you didn't follow instructions.

 

[Stigsblkcousin]

You could just host your own races?

This x 100!

I hate when kids(never heard it from a grown man) come in to a room and immediately start asking for changes. "I hate the weight restrictions", "can you up the horse power?" Can you make your own damn room!

Also @ OP to fix the communication problem stop being anti-social muting everyone. Don't say its a concentration problem, a concentration problem is a personal problem. IMO, text popping up is more of a distraction.

 

[Sauber_C9]

There's a reason that all the rooms have ratings. Perhaps you should take note of them. I have done quite a few online races now and have never had a problem with a host.

 

[Wood Demon 80]

Next time I'll attempt to summarise my entire post into a grunt to save you having to read oh, two or three hundred words in a single sitting.

Too funny! In the time it took him to post his comment he could've been done reading that "long" novel!

 

[Machate-man]

There's also this: Lag "slam"
It seems that, whenever I'm neck and neck with a car, the car I want to pass seemingly "slams" me, putting us both off track, and usually starts penalties, arguments, ect.

It's all due to Lag!

 

[Moot]

This doesn't make sense, where are you looking this up?

If I host a "GT500" room or see one to me that means JGTC/SuperGT GT500, which are cars that are just under 500 hp, Japanese (except the Nomad Diablo) etc. GT1 cars are far faster, and the McLaren F1 is 642 hp also making it way faster, so I don't see where your issue is. I would kick you too if you didn't follow instructions.

Have you read GT5's own description of the McLaren F1 stealth car? it says it is a GT500 car.
Maybe I should have said the stealth GTR version, but I thought you would assume that I meant that version anyway seeing I was entering a GT500 room when i needed a racing car to GT500 spec.

 

[CJSpencer77]

GT5 will be better when rules (car selection) can be applied by the menu and not by vague terms and implications. I hope they are working on it, the system already works in the game for seasonal events and A and B spec races, so it knows how to differentiate all the cars.

I Agree 1000%

Of all the little bits and pieces missing from gt5 , nothing would stop more arguments and slagging matches like the one this thread is about than this option being added to online racing.

 

[ALP1986]

finally after six months of searching I had my first proper race in the normal online mode this evening.

My underpowered Ferrari 430S against several Lambo Guairdos around the short Nurbergring course. I kept getting ahead in the twisty sections but was swallowed up as soon as we hit anything straight. Some nutter in the much faster Funishi Concept kept trying to ram his/her way past but kept hitting the walls and bouncing back down the order. Then just as I was about to take victory, as I weaved my way through the scattered white blocks rammed on to the track passed the final chicane the inevitable happened.... 'you have been disconnected from the server'

My response: Mother****ing, ****ing **** of a ****ing ****ing game. Why do i even ****ing bother with this ****** ****ing online ****ing **** system; full of ****ing wankers and ****ing **** coding run by a ****ing bunch of ****ing ****wits who ****ing realised half the ****ing content of previous versions. Such a ****ing let down the ****ing ****s.

I turned it off and went to bed.

grrr

 

[Camaroyenko]

My main thing about online is that I lag REALLY bad.

Sure my connection sucks, but still...

 

[CJSpencer77]

Second vote for this guy as a god awful host.

Second lap I manage to take 1st as the 1st place guy spins off at the 3rd corner with his lack of talent (although I'm no Ayrton Senna I have to add), to which CJSpencer77 starts again on his mic, mouthing off about how I must've rammed him off too.

Who the hell r you??? jcmc i remeber but the crap your spouting isnt anything ive said , if i kicked you fine, but dont say he said she said he said etc etc when your just jumping on the band wagon making crap up as you go along , i race with lots of ppl who are very clean who only make contact when its a pure accident , anyway im by no means the fastest guy in my room i like having faster ppl race with me , its the only way to get better, so if you were kicked it was because you were dirty , definatly not cause you were too perfect so dont get your hopes up , and guess what your not alone, gt5 has got good guys in it , unfortunatly it also has tons of morons as well and ill happily kick any of them i have the misfortune of meeting, i have no doubt theyll be in here crying about it with you and jcmc in faster time than they get round the track

 

[mafia_boy]

Try japanese rooms they are awesome and fair

HA! That is a 🤬 load of BS! I was in an online room at SSR7 last night with several Japanese players doing some Wangan Races and what happens straight after the start?? I get punted (like Mucke style!!) into the wall at SSR7 to see all the Japanese guys fly ahead and the guy who put me into the wall getting off scot free with barely any speed loss! Okay, thought it was a one off, but sure enough the next race it happened again, but a different player was the offender and they had a good laugh on mic about it (you could hear the laughter as the offender told his mates in Japanese what he did straight after he did it). Am I going to rant at them?? I could, but that would get me?? A nice kicking out of the room, which makes rant pointless. So I left and found another room with more accommodating players (USA room) that weren't driving like muppets and enjoyed the rest of my night. 👍

 

[Jdmyo93]

GT5 Online leagues... Join them =)

 

[CSLACR]

Penalties shouldn't be an option.
Edit - to make that clear, they should be mandatory.

I'll take getting the raw end of a 5 second penalty over being punted 10 times out of 10.

 

[jabofu]

Online is really frustrating. If you are not organized or in an online league, you will definetly have no fun online.

Most of the time there are atleast 2 X1, 1 minolta and other similar cars. They want to show of and ram you like they want to rape you.

The PI system doesnt work and racism is wide spread. What this game needs is a serious class system and online lobbies organized by PD. They really need to adapt the performance index from Forza.

And even when you have a good connection and the others too, it still feels very different from the offline experience. Everything is not that smooth.

But it is not all that bad, when you have some friends and you desided to take one class, it can be a lot of fun. On the other hand, i am very dissapointed from the online mode. Maybe GT6 will be better...

 

[mafia_boy]

Online is really frustrating. If you are not organized or in an online league, you will definetly have no fun online.

Most of the time there are atleast 2 X1, 1 minolta and other similar cars. They want to show of and ram you like they want to rape you.

I said this before to other people. Grab the Tank Car and bait them to come at you with an insult. Usually telling them that muppets drive X1's usually gets the ball rolling. If not the Tank Car, I've found that my Veyron will absolutely destroy an X1 or any other race car if they want to play ram games. While the X1 has maneuverability over the Veyron, the 4WD of the Veyron allows quick 180's, Ken Block style drifts and powerslides to get the X1 back into your crosshairs. I threaten punishment with the Veyron if people start with me....even in HP restricted rooms, I'll detune that puppy and start smashing the person who punted me. Been doing it since launch and it's a VERY effective technique.

The PI system doesnt work and racism is wide spread. What this game needs is a serious class system and online lobbies organized by PD. They really need to adapt the performance index from Forza.

The racism is only there when you come into a room of ignorant morons who want to be very secular. As said previously in the thread, Spanish racers are some of the worst offenders and I feel that the Portugese racers are THE worst of them all. Go into a room full of middle eastern (arabic) or North American racers (be it USA or Canada) and it's pretty pleasant and welcoming. Even UK members can get pretty nasty towards their commonwealth members but it's mostly just chavs who want to act hardcore. I'm not saying Aussie's are any better either, because I've been in rooms where a UK guy has come in and the Aussie host has said "🤬 off you pom" and kicked him instantly.....needless to say I stayed about 10 seconds longer because I didn't want to be in a room full of racists.

Mind you, if you get on my bad side and send me rude messages via PSN, I'll tell you some very nasty things that would get me banned on here.

 

[DEATHSARTHE]

I say **** IT ALL and create my own damn room. I'm not much of people person, I can only deal with people in small doses - but I do like to free run in Online.

NO MICS AND NO CARS OVER 650PP.

This is usually my golden rule. This way nobody says anything in chat unless its really necessary. Nobody has a super over-powered car. The crowd is usually happier and cleaner as a result. Though it's harder to get a good soild crowd because so many people want to race X1s and Minoltas... But this isn't a solution for just anyone...

IMO, control over a community is a slippery slope. I'm sure PD is doing as much R&D as they can afford to do over this matter (which may not be saying a whole lot, heh).

What I would like is an "inactivity timer" on the host. This way the host can't create a room and then just go to bed like they usually do when I'm able to play. This leads to some pretty intense trolling, which is fine by me but I know it's a problem with online communites these days.

Also I wish there was some sort of filter for level and make and model.

 

[designate-19L]

1) Nationality. There seems to be a xenophobic element among the various European nationalities and I find some are clumping together. Now that's fine of course, the issue comes when you enter a room that is neutrally named which happens to be full of players of a certain nationality. You set up your car, you go to track and you are suddenly kicked out with no message or reason given. This has happened several times now for me in rooms that were almost all Spanish player populated - again the room did not say Private or Only Spanish or something that might have given you a clue to stay away. I am sure there are loads of Spanish players out there who like to mix with other nations and it might just be chance I have experienced this always with this particular nationality but it is very annoying indeed.

Here here, this exact situation happened to me. Spaniards. I was beating them all around Tokyo, I didn't say a word down either mic or text, but they were blabbing away (what do "Ingles puta madre" and "maricon" mean...?) Host quits and boots me mid-race. I had a non-RM Corvette, the others had similar road cars, the second placer had a GT-R. I was beginning to pull a gap when ---beep!

Meanwhile, in fairness, most are okay when they're not cliqued together.

 

[BWX]

Online is a cluster****. I've had a few really good races and nights altogether, but most of the time it's ridiculous. I have a good cable connection and get WAY TOO MANY disconnects. Something is wrong with GT5 online with these disconnects.

 

[Mac K]

I had a blast online last night! I was doing a bunch of shuffle races, and I even won a few! I was doing a shuffle race on La Sarthe and didn't brake quick enough coming off of Mulsanne and ended up in the sand.. But I managed to work my way back up the pack and had the leader in my sights through the Porsche curves and was about to pass him(and win) and he nudged me through the corner and I got a shortcut penalty for 20 seconds and came in 5th... Oh well still a great experience last night.

 

[designate-19L]

And this business of the rammed getting the penalty instead of the rammer has to stop. One of the reasons I seldom have open lobbies for serious racing.

And can someone, anyone, please tell me exactly how the 'qualifying' system actually works? Why do you have to lose your pole-slot when you leave the track?

 

[Mac K]

And can someone, anyone, please tell me exactly how the 'qualifying' system actually works? Why do you have to lose your pole-slot when you leave the track?

I actually think thats a good idea.. You could qualify with a good time in a "fair" car and at the last second, exit the track and switch to a much better car... I'm going to assume thats why its setup like that.

 

[cooldawn]

My online experience started off pretty bad because there's a complete lack of structure to the lobbies i.e. they are all over the place in terms of rule and regulations.

Since though I've gotten to know a group who play online together with the mantra of fair and clean spec racing. A group of us, headed by a UK player, includes people from the UK, US, Germany, Portugal and Finland. We all get along fine. Other players that don't demonstrate competitive clean racing get booted so, in the end, we are left with a lobby full of like minded racers.

In these times online can be absolutely epic.

 

[CJSpencer77]

My online experience started off pretty bad because there's a complete lack of structure to the lobbies i.e. they are all over the place in terms of rule and regulations.

Since though I've gotten to know a group who play online together with the mantra of fair and clean spec racing. A group of us, headed by a UK player, includes people from the UK, US, Germany, Portugal and Finland. We all get along fine. Other players that don't demonstrate competitive clean racing get booted so, in the end, we are left with a lobby full of like minded racers.

In these times online can be absolutely epic.

Dito

 

[Mynock005]

If I could hold a connection long enough I'd have something to complain about. Oh wait...

 

[Krizzay]

The only 'frustrating' bit online for me is finding that first good room. Usually it takes around 30 minutes average to find one and from there on it's mostly a blast. For me, about 95% of my online time in GT5 is great fun.

Trick is, I always search for tire restricted rooms, maximum sport softs. Last time I was in a 440pp comfort soft room. Those where some of the best races I had in a long while. All clean driving, minimum contact and a lot of respect for each other.

I just hope the next update lets you sort rooms on tire restrictions. Success guaranteed in those rooms.

 

[BWX]

Well yesterday I spent about 6 or 7 hrs online racing 20 to 27 lap races with no driving aids at the High Speed Ring and then a bunch of other races after that. I f you stick around you become host and can boot wreckers/laggers, etc.. It was actually a lot of fun, so I guess it just depends on your luck that day sometimes.