Online dealerships ruin cars rareity

[Tornado]

You are effectively poking fun at people who intentionally use 'rare' cars online, for no other reason than they want to use what other people dont have / dont use...

If you can't put 2 and 2 together I should just leave.

No. I'm blatantly poking fun at people who are so far up their own backsides that they think we should care about how they don't like that the cars in GT5 aren't rare enough; with their annoyance based entirely on the fact that they like acting elitist and think using cars that no one else has gives them that feeling.




I do agree with you leaving, though, because it doesn't look like you have anything else to contribute if you are attempting to resort so quickly to attacking the man when your arguments are called out for what they are.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

I don't really understand why people are still complaining about cars not being rare enough. Rarity flew out the window ages ago with duping and birthday tickets.

 

[NA]

I don't understand why rarity of some cars bothers people , why are you so bothered about what other people have?

I don't even find most of the supposedly "rare" cars (cromelines and stealth being the main exception) to really be rare, and not because of duping, OCD, etc. I just bought cars as quickly as possible like i've done with every version of the game, and while yes, I saw some more than others in the UCD, it wasn't any major feat to aquire most, if not all of the cars I comonly see refered to has rare in various threads. Untill PD updated to add checks for previously purchased cars, I had multiples of many just by accident. It just depends on how religious you are about checking the UCD, and how much you race a-spec to roll it over.
If anything though, I would conceed that higher prize payouts at various time also sped this up for me, but the OCD I rarely paid any attention to, and don't think it's had that much effect on my collection other than zero miliage cars as of late. Even then, that's only trading cars I allready found in the UCD for the same ones with 0 on the odometer.
Pretty much anyone who simply plays this game can get most of these "rare' cars.

 

[Exorcet]

One of the biggest appeals of the entire gt series is the 'ownership' aspect. That each car has been earned, is special, and unique to it's owner.

How does earning contribute to that? If you earn it, it's still a C9. The same one anyone else could earn.

 

[Jamie-C]

So if you get a car by doing a hard race or challenge , you want to show others you got that car for doing the race not just by buying them.

No , I use my cars to race, why should I care how other people have acquired, they bought the game with there hard earned cash like you did, why shouldn't they be able to have access to all the cars, after all they did pay for the game.

I spent hours on end to gold the Vettell challenge and I've let others glitch the car from me because there not good enough to do it, they paid real money for the game so they should be able to easily access the cars if thats the way they want to.

 

[Downhill Dino]

The thing is people, we whom like rarity probably think about real life. For example: How many Ford RS200s were made? 200. Now in a game that allows millions of people purchase this car, it doesn't seem so rare or special in anyway at all. Do you get what I'm saying?

Also, just like others have said, the fact that you accomplished a large feet by either maybe completing an endurance race to earn said car or simply buying the said car (possibly a very expensive one) from the UCD. Once OCD comes around, hey look! Everyone has one. No one will notice you actually bought it for full price. In fact, if you tell said user that you bought it for full price, they might say "Why didn't you buy for half price and zero miles in the OCD?" True story actually. And I've seen it many times online.

And Toronado, what exactly are you contributing to this thread? Trolling? Your posts seem to upset others and me. Be best to not too stir things up. Correct me if I'm wrong, but not rudely please.

 

[Exorcet]

Also, just like others have said, the fact that you accomplished a large feet by either maybe completing an endurance race to earn said car or simply buying the said car (possibly a very expensive one) from the UCD.

But the OCD doesn't take any of that away.

 

[Downhill Dino]

How does the OCD not take that away?

 

[cryptomanic]

I actually have fun trading and conversing with the people on GT Planet. I also like tuning and looking at different tunes. I think this game has a lot of different aspects going for it. I do not see the game as one dimensional as some people and I do not think PD intended the game just for racing. It seems like there is somewhat of a wall between those in the marketplace and those in the rest of the forum. I enjoy it all so why condemn those who like to back up their saves, trade, glitch and dupe. The game is still fun to me and I enjoy the collecting, tuning, and racing aspect.

 

[iamjajo]

The OCD only ruins the 'rarity' of cars if you fall for the idea that any car is rare, which they're not (except some DLC).

 

[Tornado]

The thing is people, we whom like rarity probably think about real life. For example: How many Ford RS200s were made? 200. Now in a game that allows millions of people purchase this car, it doesn't seem so rare or special in anyway at all. Do you get what I'm saying?

See this car here? I can buy as many of these as I want, at any time that I want. I've got two of them. I regularly use one that I've nicknamed "The Great and POWERFUL GT-R" online. I've regularly seen them online.
In real life, there was only ONE; and it didn't even have a drivetrain.




GT5 itself invalidates that appeal to real life standards.

Also, just like others have said, the fact that you accomplished a large feet by either maybe completing an endurance race to earn said car or simply buying the said car (possibly a very expensive one) from the UCD. Once OCD comes around, hey look! Everyone has one. No one will notice you actually bought it for full price. In fact, if you tell said user that you bought it for full price, they might say "Why didn't you buy for half price and zero miles in the OCD?" True story actually. And I've seen it many times online.

And... so what?


There is only one reason I can think of that one would particularly care how they got their car in relation to others, and it isn't particularly flattering.

And Toronado, what exactly are you contributing to this thread? Trolling? Your posts seem to upset others and me. Be best to not too stir things up. Correct me if I'm wrong, but not rudely please.

I find that I upset a lot of people in this subforum with what I say. I stopped being particularly bothered by it after about December, as I rarely do it on purpose and have thus come to assume that people are just naturally uppity in this forum when it comes to being challenged on their statements.

 

[cryptomanic]

Just ignore the pony. It is never happy.

 

[RocZX]

No , I use my cars to race, why should I care how other people have acquired, they bought the game with there hard earned cash like you did, why shouldn't they be able to have access to all the cars, after all they did pay for the game.

I spent hours on end to gold the Vettell challenge and I've let others glitch the car from me because there not good enough to do it, they paid real money for the game so they should be able to easily access the cars if thats the way they want to.

I never said you had to lock the cars away and never drive it . I mean to show it off during races. That's the point of the game you have to do certain tasks to unlock more contain of the game.

 

[cryptomanic]

I never said you had to lock the cars away and never drive it . I mean to show it off drying races. That's the point of the game you have to do certain tasks to unlock more contain of the game.

I remember GT4 and having to do the missions to get a Delorean. I agree that prize cars should be exclusive thus keeping the challenge alive.

 

[diabolicwyvern]

I spent hours trying to win the Mercedes Benz CLK LM on Amg intermediate special event.

And after successfully accomplishing gold (with a DS3) on every challenge, I finally won that beast of a car.

However, few days later I find the CLK LM in the Online Dealership section for a meer 2'000'000 some credits that I could have gotten in 18 minutes by grinding down the ferrari la festival cavillino event on sarthe.

So to try wear out my dissapointment, I decided to take the CLK LM that I WON for a run in some random open lobby.

AND TO EVEN GREATER DISSAPOINTMENT, nearly everyone drove the same car!!! 👎

The only reason this type of person is unhappy (to the point we have to hear about it) is that it removes the possibility of them feeling smug in the online world. If not for trading and the OCD, people would spend hours on end on events to get the car and ASAP upon winning, would be online showing off their new prize. The reaction they are hoping to provoke is the same as those people look for when revving their engine at a light. Its all about attention. Look at me, Look what I have. Do you have it? Didn't think so! These guys think everyone is turning their heads when we're really thinking...what a 🤬

So, to all of you who think you're great. Congrats. You are to at least one person and hopefully thats all you need because the attention seeking is ridiculous.

 

[Downhill Dino]

So, to all of you who think you're great. Congrats. You are to at least one person and hopefully thats all you need because the attention seeking is ridiculous.

Your not really getting it are you? Others may be saying that, but what I mean is that it doesn't seem so fair. If it didn't seem I said that, correct me, I may have missed something.

 

[diabolicwyvern]

Your not really getting it are you? Others may be saying that, but what I mean is that it doesn't seem so fair. If it didn't seem I said that, correct me, I may have missed something.

I'm responding to the thread and not any one person. BTW...who are you?

PS: This color makes whatever I say 8 times more important they general fodder.

 

[Downhill Dino]

I focused my quote where you were responding to everyone. Thus I responded.

Hi, my name is Sean. I've played Gran Turismo since the beginning. I live in Maryland of the United States. Anything else?

Did you read any of the replies?

 

[NA]

This color makes whatever I say 8 times more important they general fodder.

Urgy durgy smorgy hema dergan. Ork, bork bork bork.

(Swedish Chef announcing his run for president...)

Nah, still not voting for him. Mabey if he said it in red, or purple mabey...

(back OT )

 

[RocZX]

The only reason this type of person is unhappy (to the point we have to hear about it) is that it removes the possibility of them feeling smug in the online world. If not for trading and the OCD, people would spend hours on end on events to get the car and ASAP upon winning, would be online showing off their new prize. The reaction they are hoping to provoke is the same as those people look for when revving their engine at a light. Its all about attention. Look at me, Look what I have. Do you have it? Didn't think so! These guys think everyone is turning their heads when we're really thinking...what a 🤬

So, to all of you who think you're great. Congrats. You are to at least one person and hopefully thats all you need because the attention seeking is ridiculous.

I think the point the OP was trying to make, is what is the point of doing a challenge if anyone can just buy the prize car of that challenge. Making it point less in having a prize car.

 

[firewire910]

I dunno about the rest of you, but when I buy a game my main purpose becomes to beat the absolute **** out of it. That, for me, is the sole purpose of beating the challenges and races in the game; going for 100% completion. The cars are a nice reward, but they really shouldn't be the end-all beat-all purpose for buying the game. Look at it this way, if it weren't for the research of some dedicated individuals and leaked info, you'd have no way of knowing what cars you would win from beating this or that anyway. I see where one may feel their efforts are invalidated when going for this car only to find it elsewhere to buy, but then again, that seems to be the fault of the user for placing so much emphasis on the car alone...not the feeling of accomplishing a gold.

Edit: Also, how can there even be a debate for rarity considering: 1) The cars are digital and 2) There aren't a set number in the game anyway? (Toronado's thoughts there, but I agree regardless)

 

[DEATHSARTHE]

Well obvious PD doesn't really care so much about rarity, because if people weren't trying to sell X1s online for $50 a pop or whatever - we'd still probably have unlimited trades. The Veyron used to be on the OCD for nearly every update since the feature was born - but in the last couple of updates they've vacated its slot for other cars. However the FGT still resides at the bottom of the OCD as well - for half the price the UCD sells em for. Why? Makes no sense to me, but then again thats whats happening.

Rarity has gone out the window. Same with Gold Chrome and Silver Chrome - I've met people who claim to have some kind of chrome on all of their cars. The Jeff Gordon suit was supposed to be something special too - a few weeks later everyone has it.

PD has no reservations on the matter, though I can relate with how people question it sometimes. The UCD updates after every single in-game day - its more convenient than the OCD. Thus the cars are justifiably more expensive. The OCD updates every now and then in IRL - though I could've sworn it used to update every week - but then the cars there are half the price. I think its a compromise.

But then you have cars that can be rewarded to you. The game was obviously designed with the original credit system in place - where we're winning 94,000 cr. at any of the higher tier events and working up 4 million credits used to be something of an accomplishment in itself and with an incredible amount of patience (but also with very little skill) you could obtain the CLK through the UCD. However, you could do this or in a much short time you could obtain it quicker as an award for an event. That's the compromise. Anyone looking on how to obtain the CLK could've easily gone online and looked for the easiest way to get it. Either route is an applaudable effort.

It just happens that right now at the current time, GT is ****ing broke lol with the whole XP/credit system. I agree with this. A-Spec events still dropping peanuts and online has triple XP/Credit rewards. Why?? More weird decisions by PD. Honestly GT Life or career mode could use an entire rework, IMO but how do you do this when the games already been out for a year and some people are 40/40 and platinum??

 

[Zenmervolt]

The thing is people, we whom like rarity probably think about real life. For example: How many Ford RS200s were made? 200. Now in a game that allows millions of people purchase this car, it doesn't seem so rare or special in anyway at all. Do you get what I'm saying?

Part of the whole point of games like this, and I'll stress that it's a game, is precisely that. These games exist so that people can "drive" rare cars that they'd never be able to interact with in the real world. If only 200 people out of the millions who'd bought the game could ever have a particular car, it wouldn't make any sense. If you can't see that the whole reason for these games existence is to make "rare" cars "available" to millions of people, then you're completely missing the single most important foundational reason that games like GT5 exist.

Also, the phrase should be, "we who like rarity," in your sentence, "we" is the subject and therefore "who" is proper; "whom" is reserved for objects. Normally I wouldn't point this out, but the impression I get is that you used "whom" very pointedly in an attempt to put on airs.

Also, just like others have said, the fact that you accomplished a large feet by either maybe completing an endurance race to earn said car or simply buying the said car (possibly a very expensive one) from the UCD. Once OCD comes around, hey look! Everyone has one. No one will notice you actually bought it for full price. In fact, if you tell said user that you bought it for full price, they might say "Why didn't you buy for half price and zero miles in the OCD?" True story actually. And I've seen it many times online.

A person accomplishes a "feat." "Feet" are what a person uses to walk.

Additionally, I'm still not clear on why it matters one way or another whether someone else "notices" that you "bought it for full price." If the manner of obtaining the car is important to you intrinsically, then extrinsic recognition shouldn't matter to you at all. On the other hand, if you're truly placing the value on extrinsic recognition for an accomplishment in a video game then the extrinsic recognition you're going to get from me will be quite different from what you appear to be expecting.

Besides, winning a GT5 race isn't exactly brain surgery; the AI in this game aren't good enough to make winning races (even endurance races) or earning credits a "feat." Winning races and earning credits really doesn't show anything other than the fact that you have incredible amounts of free time that you can devote to a video game. It's not some great demonstration of skill to win a car from an endurance race or to pay "full price" for it in the UCD; all it demonstrates is that someone has ridiculous amounts of free time and that the person doesn't have anything better than video games to occupy that time.

Your not really getting it are you? Others may be saying that, but what I mean is that it doesn't seem so fair. If it didn't seem I said that, correct me, I may have missed something.

What your posts have thus far conveyed is that it's the loss of your perceived bragging rights, not anything to do with the availability of the cars in and of themselves, that you find "unfair." Your posts give the strong impression that you'd be just as happy with some sort of badge or gold star to denote the amount of time and effort you've dedicated to a video game. In fact, you might even be happier that way since you'd have your imagined bragging rights no matter what car you drove online.

I think the point the OP was trying to make, is what is the point of doing a challenge if anyone can just buy the prize car of that challenge. Making it pointless in having a prize car.

The point of the challenge is enjoying the challenge itself, simply because it's a challenge, not because there's a reward. A prize car is great as icing on the cake, but it's not intended to be the sole reason for attempting a challenge or for use as bragging rights. As I said above, the whole point of games like this is to allow people to "drive" rare and expensive cars that they will likely never be able to own in real life. Prize cars are just another way to make it easy to obtain cars within the game.

 

[Small_Fryz]

Reminds me of the arguments back when you could dupe cars

 

[Vitzio]

Reminds me of the arguments back when you could dupe cars

Yeah, sounds like he doesn't want anyone driving the same car as him.

 

[GODfreyGT5]

How does earning contribute to that? If you earn it, it's still a C9. The same one anyone else could earn.

Say If someone managed to spot the C9 in the UCD and buy it at full price, he should feel the full success of purchasing that car, and it should feel pretty unique.
Having the car pop up in the OCD, doing two drift trials for the cash, then nabbing it, is hardly earning the car.


Okay let's use a simple example to demonstrate the argument:

In MW2, the emblems on your 'player-card'. These are designed to take hours to achieve, and once earnt, can be used to show of your efforts to your enemies.

But then hacking started, and challenge lobbies would instantly give you 100% of in-game items, and prestige you to max level. No-one gave a s*** about stats any more, it was just always assumed as hacked, and the few who earned the items legit just sunk in with the rest of the crowd!

You can tell people that you are legit but it just doesn't have the same effect.

 

[NLxAROSA]

Rewards that are time-based mean nothing. If a reward can be earned easier by someone without skill, but with a lot of time, rather than someone with skill and little time, that's just plain wrong. Same goes for rare cars: there is no skill involved to get those, just luck. Unfortunately, there are hardly any real prizes in GT5, as most can be acquired quite easily through other means.

That said, I do think the OCD is bad, but I don't think it's the ultimate core of the problem. The OCD is yet another fix for a problem that was introduced by PD itself: events requiring rare cars that hardly ever pop up in the UCD and can't be acquired by other means. I have no problem with cars being rare, but requiring someone to wait a random number of game days for a car to pop up just to be able to do an event is insane. Again, it requires no skill, just luck. But instead of fixing that, they introduced another level of weirdness. And with multiple means of acquiring cars, some of which are way more easy than others, I can see why this would upset some people. So I agree with the people using the 'boohooo, the size of my e-penis is now significantly reduced!' argument, but for other reasons.

 

[Ya Pops]

Horses, bolted doors, too late etc..

Regardless of how cars or rank are obtained, at the end of the day can the individual compete?

Take a complete MW2 noob and give him a fully hacked profile. Is he going to kick arse because he's fully loaded, or will he get smoked by all the other guys with experience.
Same goes for cars in GT5. Having or not having all the cars has nothing to do with the ability to drive them.

Get your own reward instead of looking desperately at others for approval. For example, I got a load of X1's, including the prototype (yes, X1's coz I'm oldskool ) before I even bothered with the Vettel challenge. Guess what? I still did the challenge because it was a good challenge, not because I had to have another bloody X1.

If you need to feel special, drop some fast laps, win some races and/or get a girlfriend

 

[DEATHSARTHE]

I think the point the OP was trying to make, is what is the point of doing a challenge if anyone can just buy the prize car of that challenge. Making it point less in having a prize car.

But there are other ways of getting that car... Grinding events and UCD is one way and is very time consuming and expensive (well, used to be). Another way is to run the event and win the car, though could be a short route with monetary gain - it does require more effort. I'm sure this is how PD is looking at the situation. It's a valid trade off, IMO.

It doesn't take much effort to get what you want these days - but then again who said it had to? Sure, it used to always be my understanding that GT awarded rare cars through winning events and in the past they did... but that all seemed to have changed somewhere after GT3. I do believe even GT4 had a few races with special cars awarded that you couldn't buy.

I gotta say, I don't even play A-Spec anymore. I'm basically online all the time - if not running around with friends, then I'm grinding Seasonals and buying from UCD. A-Spec has lost all of its galore with me, the whole career mode is so ****ing broke now I don't even pay attention to it. All the emphasis is on Seasonals and online functionality for some reason.

But yeah, no car is sacred anymore. Everything has been perma barrowed and duped to hell.

 

[Exorcet]

How does the OCD not take that away?

It can't go back in time and prevent you from accomplishing a win.

Say If someone managed to spot the C9 in the UCD and buy it at full price, he should feel the full success of purchasing that car, and it should feel pretty unique.
Having the car pop up in the OCD, doing two drift trials for the cash, then nabbing it, is hardly earning the car.


Okay let's use a simple example to demonstrate the argument:

In MW2, the emblems on your 'player-card'. These are designed to take hours to achieve, and once earnt, can be used to show of your efforts to your enemies.

But then hacking started, and challenge lobbies would instantly give you 100% of in-game items, and prestige you to max level. No-one gave a s*** about stats any more, it was just always assumed as hacked, and the few who earned the items legit just sunk in with the rest of the crowd!

You can tell people that you are legit but it just doesn't have the same effect.

I don't really see much reason to feel success for buying something from UCD. It's pretty much just chance. It's not skill, not at all. Also, I don't see any other point to having a car besides having the car. Its rarity, uniqueness, etc have no impact on its value at all as far as I'm concerned.

In MW2 it was the same. I never cared what level anyone was or what tags they had. The only reason I knew what level someone was was because it was stuck next to their name in the lobby. I'd forget as soon as the match started. Tags, emblems, cards, whatever I never noticed because they just don't matter. I don't even know which ones I have besides the default ones. I've never even looked.

The only way to impress me in MW2 (or any game) is with skill. The hacking thing made it no different. Someone who comes in to a room with 10 prestige is just some guy, hacking or not. If he dominates the match, then he becomes impressive. If not, well whatever.

Some people just like showing off though. I don't really have a problem with that. My problem is when a game is built around the idea of showing off and it gets in the way of enjoying the game. It would be much better if people just got trophies or something for winning races, then the cars wouldn't have to be exclusive and everyone could get them.