Online is useless thanks to the stupid Lotus

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Rocket Punch
It is pretty easy to tell when people racing with zero assist.
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It's usually me lingering at the back of the back after having to lift off mid-corner due to some carnage infront and dropping my own elise. def not an easy car to drive with pro physics and all but abs turned off!

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thesuperfunk
It's usually me lingering at the back of the back after having to lift off mid-corner due to some carnage infront and dropping my own elise. def not an easy car to drive with pro physics and all but abs turned off!

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increase toe-out on the rear, just experiment with it. I'm sure it'll feel much more stable when you have a toe-out around +0.3 or upwards.
 
Rocket Punch
Most people online race the elise/111r with TC, ABS and ASM on, this car is on rails. It is pretty easy to tell when people racing with zero assist.
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indeed.
I think this will be going on like this until private races.
 
The ones who don't know how to drive it are the worse. The rush into Suzuka first turn and take people out in front of when when their rear end slides out!
 
Michel 4AGE
increase toe-out on the rear, just experiment with it. I'm sure it'll feel much more stable when you have a toe-out around +0.3 or upwards.
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I confirm. I've experimented with the settings and found that changing this setting is very effective in this car, and doesn't seem to add instability. As you get used to the car and track you can reduce this to a minimum, especially if you like your car a bit loose, like me.

Rocket Punch
Most people online race the elise/111r with TC, ABS and ASM on, this car is on rails. It is pretty easy to tell when people racing with zero assist.
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Even with a well tuned car, it's a hand full when you drive on the edge. And some guys go very "clean" ahead of you, even if they take the wrong trajectory, they recover with ease. So either they are certified aliens or every aid is on. I mean, there are a few aliens out there, but not that many and they don't play "dirty" like these chumps.

My point being, if cars didn't have any aids apart from those they have in real life, like the Elise not having any except ABS (correct me if I'm wrong), you would see a lot less of them, and those driving it would not be morons looking for a quick win at no matter what cost.

Maybe that would be better than removing the car, and more true to the spirit of the real driving simulator.
 
Online isn't useless, most other cars are overmatched by the Elise with the current format. It was either be beaten by them or join them, so I did. As others have mentioned, settings make a big difference.

I wonder, if the Elise was not currently allowed in these races, would we find one other car would be particularly dominant (given that more people would be tuning it) over the others, with the same problem (if that is how you choose to see it) occurring again, or is the Elise a special case?
 
i had a few races on HSR reverse just now with the elise 111r tuned, i hosted the match and my connection allowed 6 more people to join, and yeh you guessed it every single one was a 111R tuned. i was driving with TC on 1 and all other aids off, i won. TC did kick in a bit through the S bends but not much, i've played these guys before and i can still take them with no aids. the one thing that i dont get is when people are going around the track some cars let of tyre smoke when on the limit and some don't why is this? is it because some people are driving on S tyres instead of R? or does this mean TC is on?
 
I enjoy driving the Elise and my main problem is that so many drivers of other cars feel a need to unfairly take you out by ramming at speed from behind or side swiping as you try to pass. On a course like the Highspeed ring, you can second guess the psychos who delight in doing this and out manouver them – but at Daytona you are a sitting duck if you try to ease by – they just push you off. Really frustrating!
 
Suzuka is the worst to be in with those idiots. If you can't get away you get sent into the sand as soon as you enter the S's for the first time.
 
superwally
I wonder, if the Elise was not currently allowed in these races, would we find one other car would be particularly dominant (given that more people would be tuning it) over the others, with the same problem (if that is how you choose to see it) occurring again, or is the Elise a special case?
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It would most likely be the GT-R or F430, as was the case in "open" events before the Spec II update. The current online time-trial event leaderboards are covered with tuned Lotus models. On Suzuka, for example, there's no other car in the top 100... which ranges from 2:01.998 to 2:05.387. That's a wide range of time on that track for no other cars to be appearing. At Fuji there's a few GT-R appearances in the top 100, along with a lone tuned Evo towards the bottom of the list.

I'm sure when we get an event refresh there will be a few model-specific or model-limited events and time-trials like we saw before Spec II. Have faith! :)
 
I personally like driving the Lotus, but the idiots online really piss me off. I race on Suzuka all the time and the people who push people off and block illegally are ALL in lotuses. Like someone said earlier, if you can't get away from them at the beginning, GAME OVER. You're in the sand. Even if you give way to them at the esses because you know you'll get pushed off, the STILL FIND A NEED TO PUSH YOU OFF.

I was racing in a 12 car race on Suzuka and the finish went like this:
1. Lotus (pushed me off at the 3rd S-bend)
2. Lotus (found ramming other cars off the road)
3. Lotus (ditto)
4. Lotus
5. Lotus
6. My tuned Evo X (3 incidents)
7. Ferrari F430 (involved in 5 incidents)
8. GTR (was involved in 4 incidents from what I could see)
9. Lotus (Only came last because he was involved in at least 6 incidents)
10. Lotus (parked on the side of the road, I guess he had had enough as well)
11. Retired
12. Retired

Online is bloody pointless because of these drivers. The sooner PD implements private lobbies the better!
 
YES, yesterday and the day before yesterday I managed to leave 5 Elises behind me on the finnish line comming in first. So it can be done, a few of them were guys I've raced before and never could catch up on, since my laptimes on timetrial were getting better, I decided a "less performance points" approach, I took a few BHP away from it (it has enough) to get down to 648, started in front, they were on my tale the first sector but couldn't catch up coming out of slow corners. I came very close to my time-trial record on all three laps and beat them by a few seconds. So for all Elise haters or ferrari (or any other brand) lovers, they can be beaten.
 
flubbachany
I was racing in a 12 car race on Suzuka and the finish went like this:
1. Lotus (pushed me off at the 3rd S-bend)
2. Lotus (found ramming other cars off the road)
3. Lotus (ditto)
4. Lotus
5. Lotus
6. My tuned Evo X (3 incidents)
7. Ferrari F430 (involved in 5 incidents)
8. GTR (was involved in 4 incidents from what I could see)
9. Lotus (Only came last because he was involved in at least 6 incidents)
10. Lotus (parked on the side of the road, I guess he had had enough as well)
11. Retired
12. Retired

Online is bloody pointless because of these drivers. The sooner PD implements private lobbies the better!
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Seems to me that the lotus drivers are simply better, based on your evidence here. The other cars on average were involved in far more accidents.

I have been driving a 111R around Suzuka pro and I mainly get taken out by unskilled drivers in other cars. Its particularly bad in the s bends after the fist corner. As I mostly start from the back there is usually a pack of cars getting sideways everywhere. I go around the outside and they drift into me, on the inside and they turn into me. But I have no such problems when I get up front to battle it out with the other elises.


I think one thing that would make racing better is if everyone understood the rules of racing. Around half the time I go up the inside of someone they dont give up the position, they just try to turn in on me. People need to be told that if a car gets beside you (at least 2/3 of the way) on the inside then you have lost the place and you try to repass on the outside at your own risk.

Sometimes I try to stay really tight on the inside to make sure there is no contact, but I get punished for it because the car on the outside gets a better run and retakes the place into the next turn. I have started not to care anymore, I take my racing line (within reason) and if they see the grass it was their choice.
 
You're turning things around now, "the others" are not involved in more accidents, they're just involved in the accidents the lotus drivers cause! It happens to me in 4 out of 5 races that allmost every lotus driver seems to find it neccesary to do me harm, in my opinion there's only one reason for it, these drivers are drivers who think they own the circuit, everyone in front of them is not worthy and needs to go aside for them, and if they don't you have the right to push them of, so they don't know racing rules because GT doesn't punnish them for this behavior, or at least not enough. I would like to see more severe punnishments like, pushing someone for no reason (on a straight or in a braking zone) not 4 seconds of the gas, no a stop and go in the pits, FORCED, so if they don't do that in the same lap, they'll be disqualified with no option to bail out (other than by turning of their console!
 
Reducing my points (on the 111R) to 649 has significantly improved my overall online experience. Now I start on the front and don't get affected by all the crashes on the first corner at Susuka. And then I can race with the good drivers that catch up on me.
 
nasanu
Seems to me that the lotus drivers are simply better, based on your evidence here. The other cars on average were involved in far more accidents.

I have been driving a 111R around Suzuka pro and I mainly get taken out by unskilled drivers in other cars. Its particularly bad in the s bends after the fist corner. As I mostly start from the back there is usually a pack of cars getting sideways everywhere. I go around the outside and they drift into me, on the inside and they turn into me. But I have no such problems when I get up front to battle it out with the other elises.


I think one thing that would make racing better is if everyone understood the rules of racing. Around half the time I go up the inside of someone they dont give up the position, they just try to turn in on me. People need to be told that if a car gets beside you (at least 2/3 of the way) on the inside then you have lost the place and you try to repass on the outside at your own risk.

Sometimes I try to stay really tight on the inside to make sure there is no contact, but I get punished for it because the car on the outside gets a better run and retakes the place into the next turn. I have started not to care anymore, I take my racing line (within reason) and if they see the grass it was their choice.
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Those incidents were all results of LOTUSES hitting them from behind or running down the inside at the S bends on the grass and wiping them out. I ended up having a good race with the F430 after getting wiped out by those damn lotuses a few times.

And the reason you would get knocked off the track is that people are starting to realise that those who drive Lotuses are the ones who end up knocking people off the track, blocking etc, and may prejudge you based on your car. (I'm not saying you are one of those people, but you drive a Lotus.)

And I don't think those people care for the rules of racing, they simply want to win and earn the credits. Like you said, I will stick close to the inside of the turn (hugging the ripple strip) only to be taken out by someone taking a dive down the inside or intentionally taking me out down the inside. If I see a Lotus who seems to have been driving recklessly, I drive on the outside and let them pass to protect my race, and he finds the need to use me as his damn brake or maybe ismply enjoys taking people out. These people enjoy games like Burnout and Ridge Racer, and take these antics into GT. Simply said, even if they knew the rules of racing, they wouldn't care, they have one word in their mind: WIN
 
Sounds like an all too-familiar problem to anyone who has ever played Forza 2 online, where TCS will tame the 1000 hp Stingrays and Chargers. One good thing with FM2 though is the ability to restrict a plethora of options to make races competitive. Hopefully PD will implement some of these ideas.
 
Mortuus
I hate this car, its for EZ kids that has zero skills, while on daytona track where normal users with a ferrari corvette or whatever has to slow down or drop the gas for a while they can just full gas just cause the car is so light.

Why did they make such a stupid car ? its only a matter of time before all races will be lotus lotus and lotus.. and 2 ferrari lol out of 12.

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Sorry but I can not see how you can call the lotus a noob car. I have used a lot of cars online and I can tell you it is not easy to drive at first like the gtr is and many other cars. you have to get the setup just right or all you do is spin.
at the end of the day if you can only find that car as bad on there then i think its a realy good game it must be a good car if a lot of poeple use it.
 
What's this i hear about an elise having 600+ horses?! That thing has to be a beast to keep on the road :scared:. April 17th can't come soon enough :grumpy:
 
Judging by the erratic movements, lack of braking knowledge and general race-craft; I think it's pretty clear that a very large proportion of elise drivers have got all the aids cranked up, because there's no way these people would keep that car straight with their style. With enough aids on you just dont need a set-up; the thing is glued to the track.

It would be even lighter and faster if they removed the brakes from it (which I'm sure a lot of these drivers would like) as they are seldom used by the clowns in this car. I think in many cases the elise drivers go around the track wondering what that pedal in the middle next to the throttle does.

The car itself isn't the problem. It's the idiots who drive it to the complete exclusion of all other cars; and as such, dont apprectite the braking and turning limitations of other cars (hence all the ramming)
 
listen people, its not about coming first. wouldn't you rather have a heated race with a proper racer and finish 5th then take the lotus out and come first by some margin, and the whole 3 laps you are literally racing yourself.

forger the lotus's, i've even noticed the majority of people on here drive the 111R tuned, except people like Kas and PatchSam. get out of the 111R and jump into a proper car like the NSX or GTR, F430 or anything else thats not a track car.
 

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