Online moaners

[dsgerbc]

That's why I don't go to public lobbies. Lotsa clueless people out there who have no idea that they are being dirty.

 

[cletus 669]

That's why I don't go to public lobbies. Gotsa clueless people out there who have no idea that they are being dirty.

Or they just refuse to believe that what they did was just plain dirty!

 

[GODfreyGT5]

There's a very narrow window of corner types where an outside overtake is doable, and generally, if you're going to try to overtake round the outside you have to recognise it's not going to end well most of the time.

The only way you'd pull that on me is if you're fully alongside at the apex... then I'll give you room. If you have a slight overlap and you're expecting me to compromise my exit speed by having to hold a tighter line than ideal, you'll be disappointed as you're going to get pushed wide on the exit.

Nothing wrong with that in professional racing.

Thing is, in this case the other driver was clearly able to close in and get his nose to the side of the leaders' bumper!

Either the OP was slow round the corner or the other guy got a run and should have been given space!

 

[dsgerbc]

Or they just refuse to believe that what they did was just plain dirty!

=they don't race by OLR.

It's okay to be ignorant, I just don't want to race with those kinds of people.

 

[feverpitch82]

There's a very narrow window of corner types where an outside overtake is doable, and generally, if you're going to try to overtake round the outside you have to recognise it's not going to end well most of the time.

The only way you'd pull that on me is if you're fully alongside at the apex... then I'll give you room. If you have a slight overlap and you're expecting me to compromise my exit speed by having to hold a tighter line than ideal, you'll be disappointed as you're going to get pushed wide on the exit.

Nothing wrong with that in professional racing.

again someone that knows what is what.

 

[GODfreyGT5]

again someone that knows what is what.

You can't find the three people who suggest a possible situation (of which yours is likely not the case) that lets you off the hook and say:

"oh yes these are the smart people, not you dumb people who offer me information from experienced racers that I refuse to listen to"

I mean...

That's how wars start......

Such ignorance...

 

[feverpitch82]

also thanks for the vids Infinital-NG, vettel was penalised because the telemetry showed he purposely moved over outside of normal steering angle for that corner.

I didnt do that, I just raced my normal line. Im tired of explaining it, its impossible without a video which I dont have so im just gonna agree to disagree.

 

[Infinital-NG]

how about pictures?

 

[feverpitch82]

how about pictures?

to be honest it wasnt that big a thing, just a racing incident and the guy freaked out and started calling me every name under the sun. And as far as im concerned it was his own fault for putting himself in the danger zone.

And it has just been blown out of all proportion now.

 

[awr117]

also thanks for the vids Infinital-NG, vettel was penalised because the telemetry showed he purposely moved over outside of normal steering angle for that corner.

I didnt do that, I just raced my normal line. Im tired of explaining it, its impossible without a video which I dont have so im just gonna agree to disagree.

While someone was on the outside of you. Dirty move. I'm done here. You'll gain very little respect from others with that style of racing. Good luck

 

[cletus 669]

=they don't race by OLR.

It's okay to be ignorant, I just don't want to race with those kinds of people.

👍 Exactly what I have been saying all along. I do not participate in any organized leauges only because my work schedule does not permit it but I have read the OLR and race to those standards and expect the others on the track to do the same. Racing respect is earned not given, that being said every time I get an oppertunity to get online I end up getting friend requests because of the way I respect other drivers and always give enuogh room for racing. Another thing that is important is that if you do have an off for whatever reason you do not get back on until re-entry is possible without interupting anothers race, sometimes that means that you have to let the entire field go by. I bet that as unaware of others on the track as this guy is if he goes off he just gets back on in front of whoever might suffer from another of his mistakes.

 

[GODfreyGT5]

as far as im concerned

.....mirrors work better than guesswork bud

 

[feverpitch82]

While someone was on the outside of you. Dirty move. I'm done here. You'll gain very little respect from others with that style of racing. Good luck

ok see ya lol.

 

[RedPartyhat]

to be honest it wasnt that big a thing, just a racing incident and the guy freaked out and started calling me every name under the sun. And as far as im concerned it was his own fault for putting himself in the danger zone.

And it has just been blown out of all proportion now.

Because you think it's the victims fault for you knocking him of the track...
You always have to readjust your driving line when someone is on your outside. You can't just drive as if no one is there.

 

[w-g-e]

08: Corner Rights:
B:
You must establish substantial overlap with the car ahead before they reach the corner’s turn-in point to have the right to drive up their inside, or to expect them to leave inside room for you. At least the front of your car should be up to the driver’s position in the ahead car. The ahead driver has the right to be fully committed to the racing line of their choice without any interference if there was no substantial overlap before he turned in.

Directly taken from the OLR Rules and Guidelines.

From what I've read the OP is right. This particular section is about the inside line. If there isn't at least 50% overlap before the turn-in point, the lead car has the right to cut off the other car and take the inside line. This is also true for the outside line. If there isn't 50% overlap between the two cars, the leading car has the right to let the car drift out wide and the chasing car has to back out of it.

Now what I usually do is take a safety margin. If there is 40% overlap (which is hard to judge anyway) I would still give the other driver room. But if only his nose is in there (which would be more like 10% overlap) I'm not going to leave him room (if I lose a lot of speed by it). It also depends on the situation of course.

 

[feverpitch82]

Because you think it's the victims fault for you knocking him of the track...
You always have to readjust your driving line when someone is on your outside. You can't just drive as if no one is there.

but if you only have a foot of your car inline with the car in front, you are both full on the power exiting a corner then clearly the gap you are trying to get into is going to disappear. He had plenty of time to realise this and lift out but he left his foot stuck in, the back of my car clipped him and he spun off.

 

[feverpitch82]

Directly taken from the OLR Rules and Guidelines.

From what I've read the OP is right. This particular section is about the inside line. If there isn't at least 50% overlap before the turn-in point, the lead car has the right to cut off the other car and take the inside line. This is also true for the outside line. If there isn't 50% overlap between the two cars, the leading car has the right to let the car drift out wide and the chasing car has to back out of it.

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[cletus 669]

Because you think it's the victims fault for you knocking him of the track...
You always have to readjust your driving line when someone is on your outside. You can't just drive as if no one is there.

He just doesn't get it.

 

[FormulaKimball]

There's a very narrow window of corner types where an outside overtake is doable, and generally, if you're going to try to overtake round the outside you have to recognise it's not going to end well most of the time.

The only way you'd pull that on me is if you're fully alongside at the apex... then I'll give you room. If you have a slight overlap and you're expecting me to compromise my exit speed by having to hold a tighter line than ideal, you'll be disappointed as you're going to get pushed wide on the exit.

Nothing wrong with that in professional racing.

Thank you Stotty, I agree. The "if any part of your opponent's car is alongside, you must make room" mentality makes no sense to me - it's not the racecraft I was taught. Even Skip Barber's video says "one tire is not enough, expect a chop". Expecting another driver to respect sticking your nose in used to be called "ambitious", not in a good way.

Safe passing works both ways and so does the respect it takes to race close, especially if it happens to be with open wheels. Part of the responsibility is on the overtaking driver to control the entry of the corner and prevent the car on the outside from being able to turn in until the inside car turns. As for the car on the outside being overtaken, at the exit if you no longer are fully next to the inside car (e.g. your nose gets clipped by his rear bumper) well that means the corner was no longer yours and you should have allowed room for both of you to exit single-file, on the racing line (where now you'd be in his draft and have a chance to counterattack at the next corner). Constant side-by-side snaking through corner after corner slows both of you down tremendously and is very counterproductive.

From what I've read the OP is right. This particular section is about the inside line. If there isn't at least 50% overlap before the turn-in point, the lead car has the right to cut off the other car and take the inside line. This is also true for the outside line. If there isn't 50% overlap between the two cars, the leading car has the right to let the car drift out wide and the chasing car has to back out of it.

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[feverpitch82]

Thank you Stotty, I agree. The "if any part of your opponent's car is alongside, you must make room" mentality makes no sense to me - it's not the racecraft I was taught. Even Skip Barber's video says "one tire is not enough, expect a chop". Expecting another driver to respect sticking your nose in used to be called "ambitious", not in a good way.

Safe passing works both ways and so does the respect it takes to race close, especially if it happens to be with open wheels. Part of the responsibility is on the overtaking driver to control the entry of the corner and prevent the car on the outside from being able to turn in until the inside car turns. As for the car on the outside being overtaken, at the exit if you no longer are fully next to the inside car (e.g. your nose gets clipped by his rear bumper) well that means the corner was no longer yours and you should have allowed room for both of you to exit single-file, on the racing line (where now you'd be in his draft and have a chance to counterattack at the next corner). Constant side-by-side snaking through corner after corner slows both of you down tremendously and is very counterproductive.

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[Leshkraven]

Use G27 it allows side views I have to use it for the ppl who dont care about ruining the race for you or both parties when they know the gap isnt there to be taken they still put there car there as its a game and wouldnt happen to the same extent in real life racing .

 

[RedPartyhat]

The debate on who is right and who is wrong here could go on forever. But for the OP to say that the victim car was 100% wrong in the situation is a pretty stupid thing to say.

 

[Stotty]

Directly taken from the OLR Rules and Guidelines.

From what I've read the OP is right. This particular section is about the inside line. If there isn't at least 50% overlap before the turn-in point, the lead car has the right to cut off the other car and take the inside line. This is also true for the outside line. If there isn't 50% overlap between the two cars, the leading car has the right to let the car drift out wide and the chasing car has to back out of it.

Now what I usually do is take a safety margin. If there is 40% overlap (which is hard to judge anyway) I would still give the other driver room. But if only his nose is in there (which would be more like 10% overlap) I'm not going to leave him room (if I lose a lot of speed by it). It also depends on the situation of course.

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Thank you Stotty, I agree. The "if any part of your opponent's car is alongside, you must make room" mentality makes no sense to me - it's not the racecraft I was taught. Even Skip Barber's video says "one tire is not enough, expect a chop". Expecting another driver to respect sticking your nose in used to be called "ambitious", not in a good way.

Safe passing works both ways and so does the respect it takes to race close, especially if it happens to be with open wheels. Part of the responsibility is on the overtaking driver to control the entry of the corner and prevent the car on the outside from being able to turn in until the inside car turns. As for the car on the outside being overtaken, at the exit if you no longer are fully next to the inside car (e.g. your nose gets clipped by his rear bumper) well that means the corner was no longer yours and you should have allowed room for both of you to exit single-file, on the racing line (where now you'd be in his draft and have a chance to counterattack at the next corner). Constant side-by-side snaking through corner after corner slows both of you down tremendously and is very counterproductive.



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Exactly 👍

Personally, I would always try to prevent a driver even thinking about an outside overtake by positioning my car before corner entry in a way that didn't allow him to be alongside at the apex... so if the opponent is on my outside in the braking zone I would deliberately delay my turn in - not making contact, but forcing the other driver to seriously compromise his entry speed and line... and enabling me to focus on maximising exit speed.

Having a small overlap on the outside is no different to people thinking they have the corner on an inside overtake just because their front wheel is alongside your rear wheel... 'ambitious' is one way to describe that, I can think of other words.

 

[feverpitch82]

The debate on who is right and who is wrong here could go on forever. But for the OP to say that the victim car was 100% wrong in the situation is a pretty stupid thing to say.

you have lost the argument so go home please.

 

[cletus 669]

Even worse than if he was right or WRONG is his attitude about the infraction and the responses he recieved here and responded to negatively is what burns my shorts! All just because we did not agree with his point of view.

 

[Stotty]

It also depends who you're racing.

I remember plenty of GT5P on-line races at Suzuka where we'd be 2 wide all the way through the Esses... but this is only really possible when you know and trust the people your racing with.

 

[FormulaKimball]

Personally, I would always try to prevent a driver even thinking about an outside overtake by positioning my car before corner entry in a way that didn't allow him to be alongside at the apex... so if the opponent is on my outside in the braking zone I would deliberately delay my turn in - not making contact, but forcing the other driver to seriously compromise his entry speed and line... and enabling me to focus on maximising exit speed.

Precisely 👍

Having a small overlap on the outside is no different to people thinking they have the corner on an inside overtake just because their front wheel is alongside your rear wheel... 'ambitious' is one way to describe that, I can think of other words.

"Ambitious" was a word I remember DC threw around a lot when he was with Red Bull, a diplomatic way to say that the driver was trying something hopeless (and he referred to himself that way as often as others).

 

[feverpitch82]

Even worse than if he was right or WRONG is his attitude about the infraction and the responses he recieved here and responded to negatively is what burns my shorts! All just because we did not agree with his point of view.

What is different about my response than yours? You didn't agree with me so you attacked my opinion when I tried to defend it even though you were wrong about it. And you've been going on for hours giving me beef, if anything you should be apologising lol.

 

[dsgerbc]

I have no idea what really happened, there may or may not have been a proper overlap. My gripe with OP - he didn't look at the map and apparently thinks he shouldn't have been looking at all. The fact is that there are plenty of situations where legitimate overlap will be there before being visible (w/o having the triple-monitor set-up).

 

[Pit Crew]

👍 Exactly what I have been saying all along. I do not participate in any organized leauges only because my work schedule does not permit it but I have read the OLR and race to those standards and expect the others on the track to do the same. Racing respect is earned not given, that being said every time I get an oppertunity to get online I end up getting friend requests because of the way I respect other drivers and always give enuogh room for racing. Another thing that is important is that if you do have an off for whatever reason you do not get back on until re-entry is possible without interupting anothers race, sometimes that means that you have to let the entire field go by. I bet that as unaware of others on the track as this guy is if he goes off he just gets back on in front of whoever might suffer from another of his mistakes.

Agreed. Ive raced with the same group of racers, guys and gals for 1 year 9 months. I race clean and others respect that. Its good to never have to worry about catching the "Timberlands" due to me driving like im the only one allowed to win. 👍