Online moaners

[feverpitch82]

We all hate dirty drivers who bash you off the track - thats a given. But I also cant stand PEOPLE who put themselves in stupid positions then cry when they spin off.

FOR EXAMPLE....

Lets say you are turning around a medium speed tightish corner and you have the inside line, the other guy is slightly behind you trying to go round the outside. So as im exiting the corner im putting the power on and the car is naturally drifting to the outside of the track, the other guy is not in my forward view and therefore in my opinion I HAVE THE CORNER but as my car drifts out to the outside of the track, he decides not to get out of it and gets knocked onto the grass into a race ending spin.

As far as im concerned thats his fault. I tried to explain this to one lovely person ( lol ) who said " if I cant see him out the front, I should " check my map ".

Rant over, thanks for listening.

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

Technically speaking if he's at least half a car length alongside, then you should leave him room.

If it's just his nose, it's his responsibility to keep it clean.

 

[Johnnypenso]

We all hate dirty drivers who bash you off the track - thats a given. But I also cant stand idiots who put themselves in stupid positions then cry when they spin off.

FOR EXAMPLE....

Lets say you are turning around a medium speed tightish corner and you have the inside line, the other guy is slightly behind you trying to go round the outside. So as im exiting the corner im putting the power on and the car is naturally drifting to the outside of the track, the other guy is not in my forward view and therefore in my opinion I HAVE THE CORNER but as my car drifts out to the outside of the track, he decides not to get out of it and gets knocked onto the grass into a race ending spin.

As far as im concerned thats his fault. I tried to explain this to one idiot who said " if I cant see him out the front, I should " check my map ".

Rant over, thanks for listening.

If you run by GTP OLR's then if someone is outside of you in a legal passing position, you have to make allowances for their position on the track and if you run wide on exit and force them off the track, you are obliged to make a contact concession and slow to allow them to regain their position. Most, if not all, organized race leagues follow that kind of expectation. "Fault" doesn't come into play, "responsibility and accountablilty" do. Doesn't matter who is "wrong" all that matters is the outcome and what the GTP OLR's say about how to resolve the situation.

 

[amar212]

...idiots who put themselves in stupid positions then cry when they spin off...

...So as im exiting the corner im putting the power on and the car is naturally drifting to the outside of the track, the other guy is not in my forward view and therefore in my opinion I HAVE THE CORNER but as my car drifts out to the outside of the track, he decides not to get out of it and gets knocked onto the grass into a race ending spin.

As far as im concerned thats his fault. I tried to explain this to one idiot who said " if I cant see him out the front, I should " check my map ".
Rant over, thanks for listening.

Man, you have serious issues.

First, calling other people insulting names (black bold) is beyond any cultural level.

Second, all subjective opinions of yours (red bold) are absolutely wrong and do not fall under the usual racing etiquette.

If you are taking inside line into the corner apex, you have to accelerate in the inside line out of the corner too. There is no such thing as "natural drifiting to the outside of the track" (blue bold), nor it will ever be. Except if you are Maldonado or Grosejan. There is only "reckless and egoistic usage of complete width of the track for exiting the apex in order to execute move in your own behalf without taking into account car that may be using the outer entry/exit line".

You have to take other car into the account always and ever. You should, to be more precise with the wording. It is your fault if you couldn't block his entry line prior to corner entry (defensive line) thus allowing him to position himself on the outer line as result of your inability to defense-drive the entry. If you can't accept that, that is perfectly fine, but do not try to play smug with bizzare combination of insulting other drivers for perfectly valid complain on your moves and presenting your egoistic and unfair moves as "naturally".

You should use the map. And you should use left/right view. And you should really educate about calling people names for consequences of your own faulted behaviour.

You're welcome.

 

[feverpitch82]

OMG Amar, I have no words for that tripe you just spouted.

 

[amar212]

OMG Amar, I have no words for that tripe you just spouted.

Yeah, I know, feeling goes to both sides.

 

[awr117]

Him pushing you off track would be his mistake. Sounds like a racing incident. Sounds to me no one owned the turn at that point if you were neck to neck. I feel it was his turn if he was slightly ahead exiting the turn. He still should respect your position on the track however and probably should have lifted to avoid banging door handles with you.

 

[Tornado]

OMG Amar, I have no words for that tripe you just spouted.

It's not amar's fault that you drive online as if you are the only one on the track. The other driver has a right to assume that you are going to stick to your line when you commit to it rather than take up the entire track just because you don't want to bother; and if he makes a move and you drive into him as a result he also has every right to complain about it.

 

[W3H5]

I'm I the only one who sees the irony in the thread title?

 

[Aquarelle]

OMG Amar, I have no words for that tripe you just spouted.

Okay, you need to calm down before you bring some serious heat upon yourself.

Take a step back, and think about it from their point of view (the person you cut off)

They are (presumably) trying to have a fair and fun race with you, and that's fair enough.
If you were going slow enough and left a wide enough gap for them to get within a considerate length of your car, you need to stop acting like you're playing single player and consider their line.

You have mirrors for a reason, you need to be constantly aware of other peoples position and compromise your line and be courteous to others who are just trying to have a good time, that way, they'll be courteous back.


If you take away nothing else from what Amar and I have said, take this;

The track is never "all yours", you'll always be sharing it with others in online lobbies and you need to respect that. Take the appropriate line, just like he did.

I'd further recommend you stop being so hostile to others, it's really not the way to make friends.
I'm sure you're frustrated right now but that's no reason to take it out on people who are just trying to explain the situation to you from a rational, unbiased point of view.

 

[feverpitch82]

It's not amar's fault that you drive online as if you are the only one on the track. The other driver has a right to assume that you are going to stick to your line when you commit to it rather than take up the entire track just because you don't want to bother; and if he makes a move and you drive into him as a result he also has every right to complain about it.

You have seen me drive then? You were there? You know what was happening? Please be quiet. In fact just end this thread because without seeing it you dont know what youre even commenting on.

 

[feverpitch82]

Okay, you need to calm down before you bring some serious heat upon yourself.

Take a step back, and think about it from their point of view (the person you cut off)

They are (presumably) trying to have a fair and fun race with you, and that's fair enough.
If you were going slow enough and left a wide enough gap for them to get within a considerate length of your car, you need to stop acting like you're playing single player and consider their line.

You have mirrors for a reason, you need to be constantly aware of other peoples position and compromise your line and be courteous to others who are just trying to have a good time, that way, they'll be courteous back.


If you take away nothing else from what Amar and I have said, take this;

The track is never "all yours", you'll always be sharing it with others in online lobbies and you need to respect that. Take the appropriate line, just like he did.

I'd further recommend you stop being so hostile to others, it's really not the way to make friends.
I'm sure you're frustrated right now but that's no reason to take it out on people who are just trying to explain the situation to you from a rational, unbiased point of view.

Mate im as calm as can be drinking a cup of tea, im not being hostile. Did you read amars post??? Most patronising dribble ive ever read, sorry! Anyway im definitely done here thanks lol.

 

[avens]

google racecraft

google manners

Think of it as you were cruising around in real life. You have to be predictable and give space to other cars.

 

[feverpitch82]

Daan or someone please lock this off because it was just meant to be a gathering of opinion not this.

 

[amar212]

Please be quiet.

Hear this Toronado? It is the sound of inevitability

..because it was just meant to be a gathering of opinion

But you gather the opinion, few of them in very short time I have to admit. Where is the problem? Please do not close this thread Daan, we need more opinions on this warmheartedly displayed moan about moaners.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Him pushing you off track would be his mistake. Sounds like a racing incident. Sounds to me no one owned the turn at that point if you were neck to neck. I feel it was his turn if he was slightly ahead exiting the turn. He still should respect your position on the track however and probably should have lifted to avoid banging door handles with you.

I don't believe the GTP OLR's have anything called a "racing incident" but I could be wrong. The OLR's clearly define who has rights to what racing lines in a corner, based on position at entry and whether someone makes an error in the corner big enough to warrant a pass attempt. In all cases, if the following car does not have sufficient overlap as defined by the OLR, before the turn in point of the corner, the lead car has the right to the racing line of their choice throughout the corner. Assuming the following car respected that rule and backed off slightly entering the corner to give the lead car the racing line, only if the lead car makes an error serious enough to warrant a pass should the following car get beside the lead car at any point in the corner.

 

[Tornado]

You have seen me drive then? You were there? You know what was happening?

Nope on all three.

Please be quiet. In fact just end this thread because without seeing it you dont know what youre even commenting on.

Then why did you start the thread complaining about people not liking your driving style and then describe it in an particularly unflattering light?


If we have to see you driving to comment on you driving rather than just making due with your description of you driving, why didn't you include a video of you driving?

 

[GODfreyGT5]

You say it's a gathering of opinions, and yet you are refusing to listen to others!

Amar is right, if someone goes for an outside pass and has held his speed well enough to hold the car on your outside then yes, you should have been light on the throttle out of the corner and given him room. It's standard racing etiquette.

I don't believe the GTP OLR's have anything called a "racing incident" but I could be wrong.

Any racing rules can never cover everything. Let's say if a lead car of 3 comes slow out of a slow corner, car 2 may have to quickly swerve to avoid him and may likely get tied up with car 3 who may very well have had a better run out of the corner than car 2. Some things JUST happen.

 

[GTPorsche]

You can't exit the corner knowing that someone is along side of your car and continue to drive like there is no one around you.

That is your fault, whether or not you want to believe it.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

If you run by GTP OLR's then if someone is outside of you in a legal passing position, you have to make allowances for their position on the track and if you run wide on exit and force them off the track, you are obliged to make a contact concession and slow to allow them to regain their position. Most, if not all, organized race leagues follow that kind of expectation. "Fault" doesn't come into play, "responsibility and accountablilty" do. Doesn't matter who is "wrong" all that matters is the outcome and what the GTP OLR's say about how to resolve the situation.

This.
@feverpitch: Come race in the WRS and you will understand what everyone here is trying to tell you. In racing, you are not the only one on the track and the track is never all yours. If you change your way of thinking to what everyone here has said, you will not only have cleaner races, but you will also gain respect in the racing community. I'm not sure about you, but I would gladly take respect over a win any day. Those who give respect will get respect out on the track and then the wins will come. Not to mention alot of good clean, enjoyable racing along the way.

 

[feverpitch82]

You say it's a gathering of opinions, and yet you are refusing to listen to others!

Amar is right, if someone goes for an outside pass and has held his speed well enough to hold the car on your outside then yes, you should have been light on the throttle out of the corner and given him room. It's standard racing etiquette.

*** head in hands ***

Firstly I didnt come here for an argument and again if you had seen the move you would realise that he was in the wrong. Im sorry I called him an idiot and if you read my first post as if I was angry, then you are reading it in the wrong context.

I will see if I can find an example of Youtube of what I am talking about because ive seen it happen countless times and the driver did exactly what I did and got no penalty because it was a dumb move.

 

[Aquarelle]

Mate im as calm as can be drinking a cup of tea, im not being hostile. Did you read amars post??? Most patronising dribble ive ever read, sorry! Anyway im definitely done here thanks lol.

I'm sorry, but I simply must disagree.

You're being dismissive of other peoples opinions when they're merely trying to chip in and explain their point of view on the incident.

Amar wasn't being patronising, he was stating his view on the incident. Which in my eyes was accurate.


I'm trying to look out for you here so don't take offence, if anything we're all trying to help you so you can see it from another persons view point.

Just please, listen to us okay? I'm not sure about you and I can't speak for others, but I've been driving for years now, I've been through racing incidents many a times from both my own fault and others, it happens both in life and in game.
But it's no reason to get angry and call people names.


We're all in this for the fun, on one level or another.
So try not to get so worked up about things huh? People are more willing to forgive and even work with you if you be reasonable about things.

Anyway, I won't go on any further. I just hope you listen to my advice.

 

[Johnnypenso]

This.
@feverpitch: Come race in the WRS and you will understand what everyone here is trying to tell you. In racing, you are not the only one on the track and the track is never all yours. If you change your way of thinking to what everyone here has said, you will not only have cleaner races, but you will also gain respect in the racing community. I'm not sure about you, but I would gladly take respect over a win any day. Those who give respect will get respect out on the track and then the wins will come. Not to mention alot of good clean, enjoyable racing along the way.

For me that's what it's all about, racing hard but with respect for others, while following a set of racing guidelines like the GTP OLR which aren't perfect, but work very well in an online racing environment. The OLR's don't provide for out braking someone while trail braking for example, because without overlap by the turn in point you have to give way. On the other hand, I've race with a lot of guys who think they can out trailbrake someone and can't, and end up wrecking themselves and others while trying to do so. But I'll willingly give up some things that are possible for me or others, for the benefit of cleaner racing and more predictability.

It's a great feeling to race with others following the same set of rules as me, because no matter where you are on the track you know what the other person is going to do and you can concentrate on your own driving and not worry if they are going to "Earnhardt or Schumacher" you with a pit maneuvre.

 

[GODfreyGT5]

if you had seen the move

You are not giving us the move to see! :/

I am not trying to argue either,
Just informing you of the truth

 

[awr117]

My bad, i thought the OP was attempting the pass on the outside. Either way, the guy on the inside that pushed the car on the outside off the track is at fault. You have to respect other drivers positions on the track. It isn't your right to the entire track when there is a car next to you.

 

[feverpitch82]

I'm sorry, but I simply must disagree.

You're being dismissive of other peoples opinions when they're merely trying to chip in and explain their point of view on the incident.

Amar wasn't being patronising, he was stating his view on the incident. Which in my eyes was accurate.


I'm trying to look out for you here so don't take offence, if anything we're all trying to help you so you can see it from another persons view point.

Just please, listen to us okay? I'm not sure about you and I can't speak for others, but I've been driving for years now, I've been through racing incidents many a times from both my own fault and others, it happens both in life and in game.
But it's no reason to get angry and call people names.


We're all in this for the fun, on one level or another.
So try not to get so worked up about things huh? People are more willing to forgive and even work with you if you be reasonable about things.

Anyway, I won't go on any further. I just hope you listen to my advice.

ok here is my point of view....my first post wasnt angry, im from london and sometimes people mistake jestful comment with being blunt. If youre reading it as angry then you are simply mistaken. Im not going to list all the reasons why I am qualified to call this guy out and call it a mistake ( which it was ) and not to mention all the abuse he gave me online for something that was his fault.

Clearly I didnt describe the situation very well but how many times have you seen someone put it on the outside line and get taken out? i.e mark webber last weekend, sergio perez last weekend. I didnt purposely drive into him, sometimes the momentum of the car isnt stoppable if you taken maximum speed into the corner and if they refuse to yield, they are going to get bumped onto the grass. Not to mention the fact only the nose of his car was level with mine, I couldnt even see him.

 

[Skygrasper550]

You have seen me drive then? You were there? You know what was happening? Please be quiet. In fact just end this thread because without seeing it you dont know what youre even commenting on.

They don't need to see you drive. It's called experience. They're well experienced enough to know that racing drivers take away positions from each other, but give space for their fellow drivers/competitors to maneuver around. That's the irony of racing. Remember, you are racing against actual people online, not zombie AIs.

*snip*

So as im exiting the corner im putting the power on and the car is naturally drifting to the outside of the track, the other guy is not in my forward view and therefore in my opinion I HAVE THE CORNER but as my car drifts out to the outside of the track, he decides not to get out of it and gets knocked onto the grass into a race ending spin.

*snip*As far as im concerned thats his fault. I tried to explain this to one idiot who said " if I cant see him out the front, I should " check my map ".

No, it's your fault. Judging from what you have said, "the other guy is not in my forward view" is an example of ignorance. "I didn't see you" is never an excuse in racing. You always have to be constantly aware of the position of opponents that are around you. With that being said, you already know he was near you. You already know he was beside you on that corner exit. He kept going around the outside line because HE KNOWS you are the one who is on the inside. Yet you still insisted on flooring the gas on the corner exit and deprive him of any room to maneuver, therefore knocking him off the track.

Daan or someone please lock this off because it was just meant to be a gathering of opinion not this.

It is still a gathering of opinion. IN THEIR OPINION, It is YOUR FAULT because you didn't give enough space for your opponent to maneuver. Based from your reactions, I take it that you neglect other people's opinions if they are against you or if they disagree with you. Clearly there's something wrong there.

 

[paskowitz]

We all hate dirty drivers who bash you off the track - thats a given. But I also cant stand idiots who put themselves in stupid positions then cry when they spin off.

FOR EXAMPLE....

Lets say you are turning around a medium speed tightish corner and you have the inside line, the other guy is slightly behind you trying to go round the outside. So as im exiting the corner im putting the power on and the car is naturally drifting to the outside of the track, the other guy is not in my forward view and therefore in my opinion I HAVE THE CORNER but as my car drifts out to the outside of the track, he decides not to get out of it and gets knocked onto the grass into a race ending spin.

As far as im concerned thats his fault. I tried to explain this to one idiot who said " if I cant see him out the front, I should " check my map ".

Rant over, thanks for listening.

Try applying this in real life and see how far it gets you. I want to watch

 

[Aquarelle]

ok here is my point of view....my first post wasnt angry, im from london and sometimes people mistake jestful comment with being blunt. If youre reading it as angry then you are simply mistaken. Im not going to list all the reasons why I am qualified to call this guy out and call it a mistake ( which it was ) and not to mention all the abuse he gave me online for something that was his fault.

Clearly I didnt describe the situation very well but how many times have you seen someone put it on the outside line and get taken out? i.e mark webber last weekend, sergio perez last weekend. I didnt purposely drive into him, sometimes the momentum of the car isnt stoppable if you taken maximum speed into the corner.

Personally, I've never been in a situation where a car has been so close to my outside when my car is at a point where it isn't stoppable.
I always try to keep a margain of safety when driving online so I can ensure the 'safety' of other drivers.

I drive in GT5 how I drive in real life, so I never push a car outside of a point where I can't redirect the momentum to avoid an accident, it's a great way to go when driving online in my eyes.

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I will grant you however, that I don't understand the full story and I would agree that some people are being a touch harsh with the assumption, but you need to keep in mind your description is very vague, so we're seemingly all having the same mental representation of the incident (though I'd imagine different people will see it on different courses and corners)

With how I've been seeing it, the other car held his line strongly enough to have a decent portion of his car within your length, it was in such a place that if he slowed down he would lose his position by a significant portion, according to your now more detailed description, this is incorrect.
Do you see why the facts are important? I have no desire to call you a liar so I'm going to trust your statement under benefit of the doubt.

Regardless, passing on the outside is dangerous, it always is. You rely on the driver of your opponent by a massive amount, far more than if you hold the inside line.

At the end of the day, it could of been avoidable, or it may not have been. We don't know the facts, only you, your opponent and any spectators that could have witnessed it.

So you can see why we're making the connections that we are, yes?

At the end of the day, the thing we're trying to get across is that you stated "The circuit is yours"
It seems I wasn't the only one that perked up at that sentence cause everybody else seems to mention it.

That's the mentality that everyone is picking at, because it's a poor mentality to have, whether you're a gamer, an amature or a pro.

This is dragging on a bit but I have just one more thing to say.
I do apologise for immediately assuming you were angry, but the way you worded everything was very confrontational in appearance and it gave off a rather aggressive aura, so naturally that was the assumption I made, but again I do apologise as this is seemingly incorrect and it was wrong of me to jump to such conclusions.

 

[avens]

In the end if you see "feverpitch82" in a lobby just leave the room or kick him out of the game, unless it is dirty nascar.

Also GT6 should have a racecraft menu. If there's a museum might as well add something that will improve the game and its players.