It's bad, but it's not that bad.
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Just bought one based on this thread. Ok, it's overpowered, but it handles like a brick... almost untamable with a ds3 when full tuned
Read previous posts. This is irrelevant. When top speed runs are made on Ehra Lessien, it's essentially a perfect track with engineers everywhere and tire pressures even adjusted according to climate. Something we don't have to do in GT. Overcoming the force of wind resistance is the main factor in top speed when speeds are this high and no track is going to drastically affect top speed assuming traction is available (I understand that cars don't reach as high of speeds on salt flats when tires are constantly slipping). I guess a track inside a vacuum would have an effect as well.
It does, to some extent, affect cars differently:
Yeah it was the road car, the McLaren F1, Tommykaira ZZII and Nissan R390 road car seem to have too much drag too, especially compared to most other cars in the game.
Given that list, (all are basically road versions of race cars or road legal race cars) I wonder if they HAVE flat floors IRL?
You can adjust downforce without wings, but I agree this is an issue, usually for older race cars which somehow are as good as modern ones aerodynamically.
From what I hear, I agree.
The Escudo's wings will make a lot more downforce than the LMP's, but it's body probably produces more lift as well, and I don't know if the underbody would be as effective as an LMP's. Whether or not this is even modeled is another question.
Yes, and I think this is probably accounted for in game. I don't think the "slow" cars would be suffering from extra flat floor drag. That drag is unique to the custom floor part.
Wait what? You're forgetting that this is a game and certain things in real life aren't simulated such as tire destruction which would more than likely happen with many of the cars reaching speeds 230 mph +, tires get hot and wear out rather quickly at sustained speeds because of friction. PD's aerodynamics engine isn't fully complete as it's not fully simulating a few things correctly.
I'm sure they'll eventually say it's the PS3's fault. GT has always blamed the hardware. The "AI" is on rails because of the hardware (even though other games have decent AI). Blaming other things doesn't make the game better. Things have to be pointed out or you end up with games like Madden where people defend it no matter how much something is off. I may not be a computer programmer for racing games but the concept of suspension/aero/center of gravity, etc seems pretty straight forward. Fairly good simulators have been around for more than a decade so hardware limitations shouldn't even be that big of an issue.
Many engineers that take vehicle dynamics have to analyze a wheels reaction with pencil and paper so no, I can't understand what is so difficult. You analyze in steps. Get all your vectors around a wheel and analyze that wheel. Then compare each wheel with the cg. Vectors at the wheels have multipliers based on suspension stiffness, downforce/lift, etc...When broken down, it's not that difficult for today's processors. Like I said, simulators have been around forever and todays cars ASM systems monitor vehicle dynamics on tiny chips and that is real life where the vehicle doesn't understand the road in front of it whereas a playstation knows the course in front of it and the only unknown is the user input. Numerous manufacturers now have cars that can race around a track by computer faster than a human. The physics were reasonable in very old GT's so to be fairly horrible this many years later is pathetic.
